The FLOOD, God's Great Failure?

[viole]

I didn't say i was against the death penalty, but I am definitely against fake breasts in heaven. I suspect it's bark is worse than its bite, but I don't know for sure. I suppose if your rewards are great in heaven death won't have any sting at all.

You are not against the death penalty, but you are against inappropriate silicon in Heaven? You have a point, Mother Teresa might get jealous. All those macho souls ignoring her, after all she done. That might be suboptimal

So, when does death have a sting?

Ciao

- viole

 

[Kemosloby]

You are not against the death penalty, but you are against inappropriate silicon in Heaven? You have a point, Mother Teresa might get jealous.

So, when does death have a sting?

Ciao

- viole

So much so, if they need a checker for silicone outside the pearly gates, I will offer my services.

1 cor 15:56 The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law.

 

[shmogie]

Because people go around trying to convince others that their god, the god of Abraham, knows what he's doing and should be trusted, worshiped and is worthy of their hard earned coin every Sunday. And I'm just pointing out the other side of the story, that their god is capable of failure, and that perhaps a hard look at him may save them the time, effort, and money. If nothing else, think of it as a public service. But what's refreshing is to see that the Christians here don't consider his flood to be a success either. It helps renew my faith in their impartiality when it comes to the obvious.

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The flood was not Gods failure, it was the failure of humanity. Many seem to crave a God that created humanity as a pre programmed being that always follows the program. That is not what God created. He created beings with the ability to reason and make choices, even very bad ones. This is a free being, Without this ability there is no freedom. The flood was a success in that it eliminated free beings who had become so depraved, they were beyond redemption. God doesn't know what hasn't happened, unless he personally brings about his specific will, but he always is perfectly prepared to deal with every eventuality, the flood was the result of this preparedness.

 

[neologist]

Where?
I'll need the quote and a link to it or the post number. Thank you.

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Sorry.
I have trouble finding post numbers on this forum.
So, did I misread this?

Blastcat said: ↑
Success depends on the goal.
If he wanted to punish.. the flood was an A1 success.. gold medal effort.
Is that what he wanted to do, punish?


Genesis 6:5-7, 13, 17
5 Then the Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. 6 And the Lord was sorry that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart. 7 So the Lord said, “I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth, both man and beast, creeping thing and birds of the air, for I am sorry that I have made them.

13 And God said to Noah, “The end of all flesh has come before Me, for the earth is filled with violence through them; and behold, I will destroy them with the earth.

17 And behold, I Myself am bringing floodwaters on the earth, to destroy from under heaven all flesh in which is the breath of life; everything that is on the earth shall die.
Nope, don't see any intent to punish at all. Only to destroy. Things is, punishment
pun·ish·ment
(pŭn′ĭsh-mənt)n.
1. The imposition of a penalty or deprivation for wrongdoing:


is only meted out where the person being punished can understand its reason, or at least others who are not being punished can comprehend the reason. Think all the people around the world knew why they were being killed by the flood? How about all the innocent children and the birds of the air? Did they merit punishment? Nope. God simply wanted them all off the face of the planet.

 

[Skwim]

Sorry.
I have trouble finding post numbers on this forum.
So, did I misread this?

Post numbers are in the lower right corner of each post just above the "Reply" button.

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[MHz]

I only post the following in light of the contention that god is infallible and can do no wrong.

Genesis 6:5-7 (NKJV)
5 Then the Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
6 And the Lord was sorry that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart. 7 So the Lord said, “I will destroy man whom I have
created from the face of the earth, both man and beast, creeping thing and birds of the air, for I am sorry that I have made them.”

Now if anyone sees the flood as a success please point it out.

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God only gave one command to Adam and Eve. Satan and the other Angels were under the Law from Re:21 and it was those Laws that God judged the would to in full of sin. Noah and his wife and 3 sons were the only 5 fingered people alive when God determined a flood would put a stop to 'things'.

The grief God felt was because of what was being done to mankind rather than what mankind was doing to others. The fallen angels were put into the same Pit that Satan will be sent on the day of the return. When Enoch mentioned this it was a prophecy, when Moses mentions the same group it is as a past event.

Jude:1:14:
And Enoch also,
the seventh from Adam,
prophesied of these,
saying,
Behold,
the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,

De:33:2:
And he said,
The LORD came from Sinai,
and rose up from Seir unto them;
he shined forth from mount Paran,
and he came with ten thousands of saints:
from his right hand went a fiery law for them.

The flood was 'planB', if the angels could have held back there would have been no need for the flood.
Neb/s Babylon was also 'planB' should Israel fall into sin prior to the scattering that was to happen in 70AD. The Temple that was around for Jesus was made especially for Him.

'PlanB' for the Church is God preserved the Bible as an accurate book and that is what faith is supposed to be based on today. (should the Sunday meeting turn a bit sour towards the end)

 

[Evie]

Well the process was well on its way anyway.

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Maybe it is a case of reading between the lines

 

[Evie]

I only post the following in light of the contention that god is infallible and can do no wrong.

Genesis 6:5-7 (NKJV)
5 Then the Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
6 And the Lord was sorry that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart. 7 So the Lord said, “I will destroy man whom I have
created from the face of the earth, both man and beast, creeping thing and birds of the air, for I am sorry that I have made them.”

Now if anyone sees the flood as a success please point it out.

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Umm... I think your assessment of the pictures was EXACTLY the point. That God failed in creating man the first time, and that things didn't go any better the second time around. Way to underscore the point made in the OP. You're a champ.

I can't seem to wrap my arms around that. Especially if one logically factors in the whole of the story and the reasons why.

It is like judging a book by its cover or reading a "Who done it" mystery book. Until you reach the end of a story, you really don't know.

What is wisdom to God is foolishness to man. I believe there is a reason for all too be as it is.

 

[MHz]

I can't seem to wrap my arms around that. Especially if one logically factors in the whole of the story and the reasons why.

It is like judging a book by its cover or reading a "Who done it" mystery book. Until you reach the end of a story, you really don't know.

With the Bible you use Revelations as the place to look for a topic and then you search through the rest of the book looking for that phrase, such as 'day of the lord'. You are interested in unraveling a mystery rather than creating one. This is one book where skipping ahead might be comforting.

 

[A Vestigial Mote]

What is wisdom to God is foolishness to man. I believe there is a reason for all too be as it is.

Well, it had to be some way, now didn't it?

 

[Kenny]

With the Bible you use Revelations as the place to look for a topic and then you search through the rest of the book looking for that phrase, such as 'day of the lord'. You are interested in unraveling a mystery rather than creating one. This is one book where skipping ahead might be comforting.

Thank you... but I think you misunderstood my response to the person who posted. I have read the whole of the Bible various times and, yes, it brings comfort, joy, faith, hope, love and so much more

 

[Skwim]

The grief God felt was because of what was being done to mankind rather than what mankind was doing to others.

His grief isn't said to be because "of what was being done to mankind" at all, but because of mankind.

Gen 6:5
5 Then the Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. 6 And the Lord was sorry that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart.

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[Shifa Shahab]

The flood was one form of punishment through time it was not the only one - since than we believe many Prophets came and God continually gave them chances and time - examples could be

Moses - people were drowned in the sea

Saleh - strong winds destroyed everything except the God fearing
Lot - The people were pelted with stones

If you read the translation of the Quran - which may I add we believe is a continuation of God's word from the books -1 old testament of the Bible also 2 the original Injil - the Jewish holy book then you will see through time God has given man many chances and made nations of the past examples for us to rectify our ways n b true and faithful to him - we believe this is it our final chance the Final Prophet that was for told has been. - next we will have the day - A very long day "The day of our reckoning"

We must all think we don't wanna be on the wrong side - at least worth checking the Quran out

 

[Skwim]

The flood was one form of punishment through time it was not the only one - since than we believe many

What were all the dead bunnies and chickadees being punished for?

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[Baroodi]

(and the lord was sorry he had made man on the earth)

This is pure rubbish to attribute such fabrication to The Lord. Who is this lord who doesn't know the consequences of his actions. These gosspels are waste of ink and papers, all were fabricated

 

[Evie]

I can't seem to wrap my arms around that. Especially if one logically factors in the whole of the story and the reasons why.

It is like judging a book by its cover or reading a "Who done it" mystery book. Until you reach the end of a story, you really don't know.

I agree

 

[Evie]

(and the lord was sorry he had made man on the earth)

This is pure rubbish to attribute such fabrication to The Lord. Who is this lord who doesn't know the consequences of his actions. These gosspels are waste of ink and papers, all were fabricated

The wisdom of God is foolishness to man. Our limited vision prevents us to know the reasons behind God's doings.

 

[Ekleipsis]

There was no literal flood that covered the world

Still though, the topic of the flood is very important

 

[David T]

It was a success in making us all the result of extreme inbreeding.

ha now that's awesomely funny, that might be the best emperical proof of noahs ark yet!!! I can see it now, science discovers a bottle neck in our generic history and Ken ham will use it at his ark as proof!! Of course I point to Ken ham as proof himself already but that's a different thread.

 

[Skwim]

Still though, the topic of the flood is very important

Why?

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