The FLOOD, God's Great Failure?

[Kemosloby]

would you mind telling me which chapter and verse you are referring to?
thanks

Genesis 6:3 New Living Translation
Then the LORD said, "My Spirit will not put up with humans for such a long time, for they are only mortal flesh. In the future, their normal lifespan will be no more than 120 years."

 

[Ekleipsis]

Why?

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It's important to me

It's a central theme of Mesopotamian literature

The problem is that 99% of people don't actually read or study Mesopotamian literature and they think they know what it says about " the flood "

I personally am amused at the debates, they are as Wolfgang Pauli said

" Not even wrong "

 

[Ekleipsis]

FYI, the first 144 digits of pi add up to 666. How's that for coincidence. Kind of spooky

don't you think.




Not saying there aren't any differences. For one thing, people today have flat screen TVs, but. . . . . .there's also the Same ol' Same ol'

No not spooky at all

In fact if you started generating random strings of numbers and took the average of the sums of the first 144 digits, the more random strings you generate, the closer to 666 the average gets, actually know a mathematician who wrote a program to check

It's just coincidence that the first 144 digits in Pi ( in base 10 ) sum to 666

 

[Ekleipsis]

Imagine an era.....where human lived for about a century long and they were as tall as apartments....and then there is a '' flood '' in dry Mideast geography...and the relic left from the flood is only doctrinish heroic religion.

Acceptance of the tale of sleeping beauty makes more sense.

Of course, there were no literal giants either

 

[Ekleipsis]

Yowza

 

[Mary Blackchurch]

The flood accomplished exactly what it was supposed to do. To basically cleanse the earth of unrighteousness. It preserved all of the species that Jehovah intended to survive. Perhaps you didn't understand the purpose.

I think I understand it better than you since the very unrighteousness you're speaking of still exists as I had already pointed out.

 

[Mary Blackchurch]

What is "right" ? What gives you the moral authority to determine right from wrong ? Are their absolutes or is right variable ? As an example, it has been proven that unborn baby's, certainly after the first trimester feel pain, in late term abortions, viable babies are murdered. Yet millions feel this killing is "right".Before we judge God we had better take a much deeper look at ourselves.

What gives anyone a moral authority? Particularly when that "authority" comes from an antiquated book where a deity supposedly loves his children and yet punishes them by drowning them. And you wish to throw out a red herring about abortion? C'mon. Let me be the first (possibly) to judge your god. He was made by the Jews, FOR the Jews and without you in mind. Grow up.

 

[viole]

The flood was not Gods failure, it was the failure of humanity. Many seem to crave a God that created humanity as a pre programmed being that always follows the program. That is not what God created. He created beings with the ability to reason and make choices, even very bad ones. This is a free being, Without this ability there is no freedom. The flood was a success in that it eliminated free beings who had become so depraved, they were beyond redemption. God doesn't know what hasn't happened, unless he personally brings about his specific will, but he always is perfectly prepared to deal with every eventuality, the flood was the result of this preparedness.

Were those humans more depraved than Satan?

Ciao

- viole

 

[shmogie]

Were those humans more depraved than Satan?

Ciao

- viole

No. However satan is the antithesis of God. Until it all is ultimately ended (including him) he now serves the role of making very stark the difference between the two. If you choose evil ( his side ) he will make it very clear what you are choosing. Since he is the source of evil in the current times, eliminating him would eliminate an option to choose, freedom.

 

[shmogie]

I think I understand it better than you since the very unrighteousness you're speaking of still exists as I had already pointed out.

No, historically not to the extent of Noah's time, BUT Christ said at the time of the end people would be like those in the time of Noah. So, how much worse will it get ? We will have to wait and see.

 

[viole]

No. However satan is the antithesis of God. Until it all is ultimately ended (including him) he now serves the role of making very stark the difference between the two. If you choose evil ( his side ) he will make it very clear what you are choosing. Since he is the source of evil in the current times, eliminating him would eliminate an option to choose, freedom.

So, this is why he survived the flood. Or any other sort of annihilation. God needs a bad role model in order to shine, apparently. Bad cop, good cop, so to speak.

But is it true? Do you really believe that without Satan, we would not be able to choose?

Which begs the next question: when Satan is annihilated (sometimes in the future, presumably) and we all (well, you at least) will play our harp in Heaven, will we be then automata without the ability to choose?

Ciao

- viole

 

[Daisies4me]

Post numbers are in the lower right corner of each post just above the "Reply" button.

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[Daisies4me]

I see that I am not the only one having great difficulty navigating this forum. It is very tedious and time consuming, full of annoying popups and the layout is very strange. having said that, I did see some interesting conversations going and some points made, as well as questions that make one think. Just haven't decided yet if the pros outweigh the cons... but thanks for the first interest that I have had in forums in quite some time.

 

[shmogie]

No, God doesn't need a "bad role model" and those watching this drama play out, ( I personally believe that intelligent life was created by God throughout the universe) need to see what has occurred here from the very beginning to the very, very sad end. No, it will not occur again because this is so terrible no one will want to be involved in it's like.

 

[Daisies4me]

And you still believe God is omnipotent and omniscient?

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Are you asking to find out if God knows in advance everything that people will do?
In that case, the question then arises; Is his exercise of foreknowledge infinite, without limit?
Does he foresee and foreordain such actions or even predestinate what shall be the final destiny of all of his creatures, even doing so before they have come into existence?
Or, is God's exercise of foreknowledge selective and discretionary, so that whatever he chooses to foresee and foreknow, he does, but what he does not choose to foresee or foreknow, he does not? And, instead of preceding their existence, does God's determination of his creatures' eternal destiny await his judgment of their course of life and of their proved attitude under test?
The answers to these questions must necessarily come to from the Scriptures themselves--and the information they provide concerning God's actions and dealings with his creatures, including what has been revealed through his Son, Christ Jesus. I think 1 Corinthians 2:16 may be food for thought on the subject. It is not a simply 'yes' or 'no' answer to be given, imho, but leads to many other points for consideration on the matter.

 

[shmogie]

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Are you asking to find out if God knows in advance everything that people will do?
In that case, the question then arises; Is his exercise of foreknowledge infinite, without limit?
Does he foresee and foreordain such actions or even predestinate what shall be the final destiny of all of his creatures, even doing so before they have come into existence?
Or, is God's exercise of foreknowledge selective and discretionary, so that whatever he chooses to foresee and foreknow, he does, but what he does not choose to foresee or foreknow, he does not? And, instead of preceding their existence, does God's determination of his creatures' eternal destiny await his judgment of their course of life and of their proved attitude under test?
The answers to these questions must necessarily come to from the Scriptures themselves--and the information they provide concerning God's actions and dealings with his creatures, including what has been revealed through his Son, Christ Jesus. I think 1 Corinthians 2:16 may be food for thought on the subject. It is not a simply 'yes' or 'nertainly God is omnipotent,o' answer to be given, imho, but leads to many other points for consideration on the matter.

Certainly God is omnipotent. Omniscient, I don't think so. I believe God cannot know what hasn't happened, except when he uses his power to reach into history to bring it about. However, he is perfectly prepared to deal with whatever may occur, however the number of possibilities. So then, humanity flows along with God ultimately in control of what he chooses to control.

 

[Skwim]

I see that I am not the only one having great difficulty navigating this forum. It is very tedious and time consuming, full of annoying popups and the layout is very strange. having said that, I did see some interesting conversations going and some points made, as well as questions that make one think. Just haven't decided yet if the pros outweigh the cons... but thanks for the first interest that I have had in forums in quite some time.

I've been here a few years and have found that using the "Recent Posts" function under the gray bar at the top is by far the best way to find out what's going on. It shows all the threads being posted to, not just those in a particular category. I don't believe I've ever bothered going to any one category to see what's happening.

The following aren't necessarily unique to the "Recent Posts" page, but are helpful.

1) It shows all the posts just made. The "New Posts" function does not.

2) The number of replies at the right is a good indicator how popular the thread is---threads with a lot of replies are typically old and being kept alive by a squabble between a couple or so posters. (Usually not worth one's time to bother with.)

3) By scrolling over the name of the thread one will get the first line or so of it, giving you an idea of what the post may be about---some titles are quite cryptic and can be misleading.

4) I have never found any reason to use for the "Quote" function that sits next to the "Reply" button in the bottom right corner.​

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[viole]

WOW, LOL It never ceases to amaze me how we can look at pictures and come to diverse understandings.

I see the first.... man without God
The second... God helping man
Third... man without God.

Man!! I am sure glad there is mercy!

God helping man?

Was that one of those trainings to help people to learn to swim?

Ciao

- viole

 

[Ekleipsis]

The fictional character of Noah was based on a " lugal "

I think the only failure here is the failure of people to get serious with their studies

There are oodles of debates that happen on topics like this, that are only happening because of dilettante educations

Bill Nye arguing with Ken Ham, for example

 

[Kenny]

God helping man?

Was that one of those trainings to help people to learn to swim?

Ciao

- viole

YUP! But you do have a great sense of humor.

Ariverchi