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The Four Dirty Secrets Against Darwin Evolution

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
The Urey-Miller experiment was related to organic chemistry. The idea that something came from nothing is related to cosmology. The two sciences have nothing to do with each other. If life came from non-life (abiogenesis), the 'non-life' probably consisted of systems of complex organic compounds.
OK, well let me examine this a bit. Obviously the Urey-Miller experiment put certain elements together and flashed electricity throughout, something changed, as I understand it, a fuzz type thing.
Without the start of life according to reason, would evolution have taken place?
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
More about abiogenesis -- "the idea that life arose from nonlife more than 3.5 billion years ago on Earth. Abiogenesis proposes that the first life-forms generated were very simple and through a gradual process became increasingly complex."
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
OK, well let me examine this a bit. Obviously the Urey-Miller experiment put certain elements together and flashed electricity throughout, something changed, as I understand it, a fuzz type thing.
Without the start of life according to reason, would evolution have taken place?
Could God have magically zapped (some get irritated with poofed, and since cells are so small they probably would not poof a all) into existence?
 

exchemist

Veteran Member
OK, well let me examine this a bit. Obviously the Urey-Miller experiment put certain elements together and flashed electricity throughout, something changed, as I understand it, a fuzz type thing.
Without the start of life according to reason, would evolution have taken place?
There was no "fuzz type thing". You have made that up.

The experiment showed that a range of organic molecules, in particular amino acids, the monomers from which proteins are constructed, could arise naturally from the inorganic chemicals present on the early Earth. That is all it was designed to explore.

Since that experiment, carried out over 70 years ago, an enormous amount has been discovered about other potential building blocks of life, from other sources. This includes a vast range of them found in carbonaceous meteorites: Organic compounds in carbonaceous meteorites . The Miller-Urey experiment was the merely the first step in what has become a large field of prebiotic chemistry research today.

"Evolution" in the sense in which it is generally used, i.e. changes in populations of organisms that lead to formation of new species, obviously requires a population of replicating organisms to start with. In a broader sense of the word, one can speak of the change from pre-biotic chemicals to replicating organisms as an "evolution", but it would be one lying completely outside the current Theory of Evolution, as that is restricted to biology.
 
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TagliatelliMonster

Veteran Member
And then am fairly regularly called in a manner of speaking real stupid, dumb, mind controlled, etc and ignorant because I no longer take the theory or the current theory for granted and/or true.

No, that is not the reason.
You are called ignorant because when you talk about the theory, you demonstrate to be ignorant about it while thinking you aren't.


Urey-Miller, that most esteemed experiment, did not show that something came from nothing anyway.

Nobody says it did.
See, this is a great example of how you demonstrate your ignorance whenever you talk about these subjects.
 

exchemist

Veteran Member
I usually don't get detailed information about transformation within the theory except some to say, We think it happened this way (or that way). And then am fairly regularly called in a manner of speaking real stupid, dumb, mind controlled, etc and ignorant because I no longer take the theory or the current theory for granted and/or true. And chances are someone will say, well, that's science...new discoveries can change a thought. My reaction to that is that there is a Creator. A supreme being. "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth." Urey-Miller, that most esteemed experiment, did not show that something came from nothing anyway.
I can explain the part in red. You are called these things because you regularly show that you still fail to understand basic science and can't even think straight. In this very post, you show a bizarre degree of ignorance of what the Miller-Urey experiment was about. It is truly stupid to say it "did not show that something came from nothing". Of course it didn't. Only a moron would imagine that was its purpose.

When you continually say such stupid things, is it any wonder that people draw unflattering conclusions about you? For goodness sake get a grip of your mind before you go into print.
 

blü 2

Veteran Member
Premium Member
If as you say, that I don't understand what evidence is, what makes you so sure that you do?
Your inability to this point to summarize your own argument strongly suggests you don't know what you're talking about. So you invite us to debate with a video, which of course doesn't answer questions either.

Make your own argument. As to what the video means, ask your mother.
 

exchemist

Veteran Member
Your inability to this point to summarize your own argument strongly suggests you don't know what you're talking about. So you invite us to debate with a video, which of course doesn't answer questions either.

Make your own argument. As to what the video means, ask your mother.
This poster got banned a long time ago.:)
 

TrueBeliever37

Well-Known Member
Sorry I had thought the rest would be obvious to you. Since the "image of God" phrase does not relate to physical form, there is no reason why Man cannot have evolved from earlier creatures - and then been endowed with rationality and a soul "in the image of God" as he achieved Manhood.
You can see an image.
 

TrueBeliever37

Well-Known Member
How was the form created? Did it pop out of nothing, or is it the result of myriad small changes over a great deal of time?
Yes God created man. You can't explain how you get to a form of initial life for anything to be able to evolve, using evolution as your roadmap.
 

TrueBeliever37

Well-Known Member
I believe in God, and I believe that God created the universe. I think the best source of facts for how God did his thing is scientific inquiry, not a a religious text. I think the two creation stories in Gen 1 and Gen 2-3 are absolutely awesome, but not because they are historically accurate. Stories like that should be seen as literature designed to teach, not as history texts or science books.
You just don't believe it was in the time frame he said it was. When he said the morning and the evening were the first day, etc. - That's just not true right? And the creation story is more along the lines of a fable to you?
 

TrueBeliever37

Well-Known Member
You were just asked how God created man. Don't deflect. Come on, tell us.
ok - God has all power. He can do anything he chooses to do. Read the first few chapters of Genesis and it will tell you about the creation.

Now you explain. Don't deflect - How did you get the first life form in order for it to be able to evolve?
 

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
ok - God has all power. He can do anything he chooses to do. Read the first few chapters of Genesis and it will tell you about the creation.
That's not an explanation. It's just a statement that requires evidence.
Now you explain. Don't deflect - How did you get the first life form in order for it to be able to evolve?
We don't need to know that in order to know that evolution is a fact of life. Evolution begins once you have life.
 

exchemist

Veteran Member
You can see an image.
Not if the reference is figurative, which is how it has been interpreted throughout history. The link I gave you goes into how this phrase has been interpreted in both the Jewish and Christian traditions. None of them suggest it is intended to mean something you see physically.
 

IndigoChild5559

Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
I don't see overwhelming evidence regarding that.
Oh, I believe this! It is extremely common, once a person's mind is made up, to literally "not see" evidence to the contrary and to seek out only information that confirms the view they already hold. This is called confirmation bias.

There is a funny story about confirmation bias. Two old friends, a priest and an atheist, are eating dinner at a restaurant. The atheist says, "You know, it's not like I haven't given God a chance. I was once stuck in a terrible blizzard that was so bad I couldn't see two feet in front of me. I fell on my knees and prayed, God, I'm afraid I'm going to die! Please saved me!" The priest says, "Well then there you have it! There must be a God since here you are!" And the atheist replies, "No, that's not what happened. Actually it was two Eskimos wandered by and helped me to safety."

LOL do you see how both the above each had their own confirmation bias?
 
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