The god of the Bible should be seeking forgiveness

[leov]

Man wrote the bible. Man is evil, destructive, a liar, double tongued, greedy, murderous, spiteful, egocentric, etc. Dividing man into different groups doesn't change what man is. The end

Adepts wrote the Bible.

 

[We Never Know]

Adepts wrote the Bible.

Were those adepts man? If yes, then again, man wrote the bible.

 

[leov]

Were those adepts man? If yes, then again, man wrote the bible.

Yes, men, learned and trained and attained.

 

[We Never Know]

Yes, men, learned and trained and attained.

Then we agree "man" wrote the bible. Yet it's odd how you refer to them as learned and trained and attained when most just call them bronze age goat herders

 

[Shadow Wolf]

See, in the absence of direct experience of hardship, suffering, exclusion, enslavement, discrimination, persecution and murder, the next best resource is a moral imagination. I have one of those, and I use it.

Going off topic and a bit personal, but has Canada long been tolerant of homosexuals? I would have assumed those of your age group experienced those things, at least in the past, much like how Americans of that age group knew it to a greater extent in decades past.

 

[leov]

Then we agree "man" wrote the bible. Yet it's odd how you refer to them as learned and trained and attained when most just call them bronze age goat herders

I would not be able to write bible. Yes, those who wrote the bible looked outwardly like we do.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

This is the way the system works, we humans are to fix evil, nobody else.

Yes, and that is exactly the reason many of us dismiss the notion of God. If he's not doing anything, and not accountable for anything, and you can't perceive him in any way, and you can only guess if you're "following his will," why, then, he might just as well not exist...and can therefore be safely ignored.

 

[We Never Know]

I would not be able to write bible. Yes, those who wrote the bible looked outwardly like we do.

It takes creativity and imagination. Steven Spielberg could write a awesome one.

 

[leov]

It takes creativity and imagination. Steven Spielberg could write a awesome one.

Ask him, I bet he would not say "yes".

 

[leov]

Yes, and that is exactly the reason many of us dismiss the notion of God. If he's not doing anything, and not accountable for anything, and you can't perceive him in any way, and you can only guess if you're "following his will," why, then, he might just as well not exist...and can therefore be safely ignored.

God is author of Natural Law, of which we know less than 1 %, I would not dismiss God.

 

[We Never Know]

Ask him, I bet he would not say "yes".

But just look at what he has written. It's more imaginative and creative than the bible.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Going off topic and a bit personal, but has Canada long been tolerant of homosexuals? I would have assumed those of your age group experienced those things, at least in the past, much like how Americans of that age group knew it to a greater extent in decades past.

Oh, I experienced intolerance, you may be certain! It wasn't a big deal for a "***" to be rolled on the streets of downtown Toronto decades ago, and even the police easily got away with beating gays up...reporting police to the police was pretty useless. But the truth is, Canada really is more tolerant in general than many places. We came fairly early to getting the state out of everybody's bedrooms (in 1967, actually). And we were among the early adopters of all sorts of rights, including in 2005 the right to marry the person you love, whatever their gender.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

God is author of Natural Law, of which we know less than 1 %, I would not dismiss God.

Again, that is a belief, it is a belief you cannot demonstrate, and it is a belief I do not share. Therefore I am quite at liberty to dismiss God.

 

[InChrist]

And for bloody sure, that includes absolutely everybody on earth, and all the animals that lived on the land, too! Even the babies born minutes before they were all lovingly slaughtered by God. Not a soul in all the earth, with the exception, very oddly, or Noah, his wife, their 3 children and their wives were worthy of anything, but that little group of 8 were the only perfect people on an entire planet. Including, as I said, the ones not old enough to face any sort of judgement at all.

That Christians actually believe this makes me wonder, how I wonder...

I'd say God knows the point of no return for any culture and those babies you seem to be so concerned about likely had no hope of a life apart from violence and abuse.

 

[Jos]

This is the way the system works, we humans are to fix evil, nobody else.

That's not true. Christianity itself says that humans are too messed up to be able to get rid of evil, only God can do so.

 

[leov]

That's not true. Christianity itself says that humans are too messed up to be able to get rid of evil, only God can do so.

It was some 3000 -2000 years ago, we are still messed up grossly “ but some of us looking at the stars”.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

I'd say God knows the point of no return for any culture and those babies you seem to be so concerned about likely had no hope of a life apart from violence and abuse.

And since we're talking about the whole earth here, I think that is about as abysmal a reading of history AND human nature as I've ever seen. And I am inclined to say that I think it is only religion that can so readily confound reason.

 

[leov]

Again, that is a belief, it is a belief you cannot demonstrate, and it is a belief I do not share. Therefore I am quite at liberty to dismiss God.

Belief is energy, some individuals feel it flow.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Oh, I experienced intolerance, you may be certain! It wasn't a big deal for a "***" to be rolled on the streets of downtown Toronto decades ago, and even the police easily got away with beating gays up...reporting police to the police was pretty useless. But the truth is, Canada really is more tolerant in general than many places. We came fairly early to getting the state out of everybody's bedrooms (in 1967, actually). And we were among the early adopters of all sorts of rights, including in 2005 the right to marry the person you love, whatever their gender.

Wow! And in America there were riots in '69 because being gay or trans was still criminalized, and there is still discrimination today (being trans got me a diagnosis of Psychotic Disorder: NOS once, even though I have no psychotic symptoms and no one agreed with the ***** who did that).

 

[leov]

But just look at what he has written. It's more imaginative and creative than the bible.

Bible is not written for only bicameral types, it is for all levels of understanding, as 49 Gates of understanding as sages day.