outhouse
Atheistically
Stop with your hating
many would call it trolling
many would call your books copies of this in another language.
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The Golden Calf
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Stop with your hating
many would call it trolling
many would call your books copies of this in another language.
Curious_Cat
Curious_Athiest
Similar to the hindu epics with armies of human/monkeys.:yes:
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A little bit OT, but can i just ask you why you write G-d instead of God?
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
The story of the Golden Calf tell us as to how much superstitious the Jews were. Moses was alive and this happened.
Had the Jews been truly the "chosen people" they must have not done it?
The Jews are just ordinary people like others.
Regards
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
It's hard to believe millions of Hebrews lived in Egypt for centuries without leaving any historical, archaeological or DNA evidence of their presence.
It's hard to believe two million Hebrews plus livestock managed to survive for 40 years in a desert that could barely support a lizard.
It's hard to believe that millions of Hebrews + livestock could live 40 years in a place and leave no archeological evidence of their presence at all.
I disagree because in the bible it says that Aaron told the people to take off their golden earrings and then helped them make an idol. Exodus 32: 2-4, " And Aaron said unto them, Break off the golden earrings, which are in the ears of your wives, of your sons, and of your daughters, and bring them unto me. And all the people brake off the golden earrings which were in their ears, and brought them unto Aaron. And he received them at their hand, and fashioned it with a graving tool, after he had made it a molten calf: and they said, These be thy gods, O Israel, which brought thee up out of Egypt."
These scriptures in fact say that Aaron helped with the making of the idol.
You'd rather believe that god had trouble establishing his covenants over and over again til they got to your whitewashed version of the Torah where the prophets can do no wrong? These are fallible people, always, chosen or not.
outhouse
Atheistically
Yet there is no historicity to these events as written.
There is ZERO evidence that any Israelite was ever in Egypt.
We have factual evidence he evolved from displaced Canaanites, and that they filed the highlands of Israel over a hew hundred year period. Factually Not a mass migration of a single culture.
Not even up for debate my friend
Wow, I did not know that we had that difference. I looked what it said in the Quran and I was shocked that the stories were not the same. Thanks for pointing that out.
Wow, I did not know that we had that difference. I looked what it said in the Quran and I was shocked that the stories were not the same. Thanks for pointing that out.
They censored and/or changed the stories in the quran for every prophet so they did no wrong. Including stories of Adam being less responsible for the fruit thing, Lot not getting drunk and getting taken advantage of and Elijah not mauling kids with a bear, to name a few.
Ingledsva
HEATHEN ALASKAN
Weird isn't it? There are all kinds of stories in there where someone should have paid for their crimes - but they remain YHVH's chosen.
He was the leader in charge, - he made it himself ,- He had them dance around it naked, - and he lives, and they die.
Exo 32:1 And when the people saw that Moses delayed to come down out of the mount, the people gathered themselves together unto Aaron, and said unto him, Up, make us gods, which shall go before us; for as for this Moses, the man that brought us up out of the land of Egypt, we wot not what is become of him.
Exo 32:2 And Aaron said unto them, Break off the golden earrings, which are in the ears of your wives, of your sons, and of your daughters, and bring them unto me.
Exo 32:3 And all the people brake off the golden earrings which were in their ears, and brought them unto Aaron.
Exo 32:4 And he received them at their hand, and fashioned it with a graving tool, after he had made it a molten calf: and they said, These be thy gods, O Israel, which brought thee up out of the land of Egypt.
Exo 32:5 And when Aaron saw it, he built an altar before it; and Aaron made proclamation, and said, To morrow is a feast to the LORD.
Exo 32:25 And when Moses saw that the people were naked; for Aaron had made them naked unto their shame among their enemies:
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Another one is the Moses, Aaron, Miriam, story.
Aaron and Miriam call out Moses for going against the word of YHVH, by marrying an Ethiopian woman.
They are chastised by YHVH - not Moses, - and only the female, - Miriam, - gets punished by being turned leprous.
Num 12:1 And Miriam and Aaron spake against Moses because of the Ethiopian woman whom he had married: for he had married an Ethiopian woman.
Num 12:9 And the anger of the LORD was kindled against them; and he departed.
Num 12:10 And the cloud departed from off the tabernacle; and, behold, Miriam became leprous, white as snow: and Aaron looked upon Miriam, and, behold, she was leprous.
Num 12:11 And Aaron said unto Moses, Alas, my lord, I beseech thee, lay not the sin upon us, wherein we have done foolishly, and wherein we have sinned.
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Or King David, - sleeps with someone else's wife - a death sentence by Law, then he murders the guy, - a second death sentence, but instead he is YHVH's chosen.
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Or the tribes that committed genocide against one of the tribes, to the point where they didn't have enough broodmares - er "women" - so they commit a couple more crimes - Murder of the people whom didn't come up to the war - so they could steal and rape their virgins, then kidnapping and rape of the Shiloh Temple, to get more virgins to RAPE, - and nothing happens to them.
Jdg 20:48 And the men of Israel turned again upon the people of Benjamin, and smote them with the edge of the sword, as well the men of every city, as the beast, and all that came to hand: also they set on fire all the cities that they came to.
Jdg 21:1 Now the men of Israel had sworn in Mizpeh, saying, There shall not any of us give his daughter unto Benjamin to wife.
Jdg 21:3 And said, O LORD God of Israel, why is this come to pass in Israel, that there should be to day one tribe lacking in Israel?
Jdg 21:7 How shall we do for wives for them that remain, seeing we have sworn by the LORD that we will not give them of our daughters to wives?
Jdg 21:8 And they said, What one is there of the tribes of Israel that came not up to Mizpeh to the LORD? And, behold, there came none to the camp from Jabeshgilead to the assembly.
Jdg 21:9 For the people were numbered, and, behold, there were none of the inhabitants of Jabeshgilead there.
Jdg 21:10 And the congregation sent thither twelve thousand men of the valiantest, and commanded them, saying, Go and smite the inhabitants of Jabeshgilead with the edge of the sword, with the women and the children.
Jdg 21:11 And this is the thing that ye shall do, Ye shall utterly destroy every male, and every woman that hath lain by man.
Jdg 21:12 And they found among the inhabitants of Jabeshgilead four hundred young virgins, that had known no man by lying with any male: and they brought them unto the camp to Shiloh, which is in the land of Canaan.
But there weren't enough virgins for every man to RAPE his own, - SO --
Jdg 21:19 Then they said, Behold, there is a feast of the LORD in Shiloh yearly in a place which is on the north side of Bethel, on the east side of the highway that goeth up from Bethel to Shechem, and on the south of Lebonah.
Jdg 21:20 Therefore they commanded the children of Benjamin, saying, Go and lie in wait in the vineyards;
Jdg 21:21 And see, and, behold, if the daughters of Shiloh come out to dance in dances, then come ye out of the vineyards, and catch you every man his woman of the daughters of Shiloh, and escape to the land of Benjamin.
Jdg 21:22 And it shall be, when their fathers or their brethren come unto us to complain, that we will say unto them, Be favourable unto them for our sakes: because we reserved not to each man his woman in the war: for ye did not give unto them at this time, that ye should be guilty.
Jdg 21:23 And the children of Benjamin did so, and took them women, according to their number, of them that danced, whom they caught: and they went and returned unto their inheritance, and repaired the cities, and dwelt in them.
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There is a ton of this type of crap in the Bible. Horrid men are YHVH's own.
This tells me the Bible was written by men, for men.
God has nothing to do with it.
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Ingledsva
HEATHEN ALASKAN
I don't know, other then that she was foreign. This section might have something to do with it.
Exo 34:11 Observe thou that which I command thee this day: behold, I drive out before thee the Amorite, and the Canaanite, and the Hittite, and the Perizzite, and the Hivite, and the Jebusite.
Exo 34:12 Take heed to thyself, lest thou make a covenant with the inhabitants of the land whither thou goest, lest it be for a snare in the midst of thee:
Exo 34:13 But ye shall destroy their altars, break their images, and cut down their groves:
Exo 34:14 For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God:
Exo 34:15 Lest thou make a covenant with the inhabitants of the land, and they go a whoring after their gods, and do sacrifice unto their gods, and one call thee, and thou eat of his sacrifice;
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It was Elisha, not Elijah. Two different people.
Pegg
Jehovah our God is One
a relief on the wall of an Egyptian temple at Karnak names The Field of Abramthis is the earliest reference to the Biblical patriarch Abraham in Egyptian records. Abraham purchased a field which was called 'The Field of Abram" by the Isrealites and Egyptians.
So there is evidence.
outhouse
Atheistically
That has been disproven as ever having had anything to do with the biblical character, who was from Mesopotamia not Egypt.
The name as listed was also quite common, and his list of property did not match what the biblical character would have had, unless he was very poor. name is not even full matching.
And it does not help the exodus legend or Israelites origins, in any way.
Abraham - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
By the beginning of the 21st century, and despite sporadic attempts by more conservative scholars such as Kenneth Kitchen to save the patriarchal narratives as history, archaeologists had "given up hope of recovering any context that would make Abraham, Isaac or Jacob credible 'historical figures'".[6]
Pegg
Jehovah our God is One
every account along with every piece of evidence is discredited by bible critics.
What makes them more credible then the historical evidence.?
Nothing in my view...its all just hot air.
outhouse
Atheistically
They are using historical evidence. The problem is you dont have any beyond wishful thinking in certain cases. Or perversion of evidence to meet your biased needs. Like the above find.
One use of abram, a common name and it magically has to be the biblical character. Even if it is thousands of miles from where Abraham is said to exist.
And no everything is discredited in the oT or NT by scholarships. Many are Christian and Jews and just want the truth of how these books were put together, BY STUDY of the people who lived so long ago.
It becomes refusal of education and knowledge, hating the American educational system due to theistic bias.