Redemptionsong
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Do you think Elijah can manifest to more than one person at a time?
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The Holy Spirit
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Yes, in fact, to all souls at the same time.
Something people don't recognize, the spiritual kingdom is such that everything is in everything. While sky/heaven is guarded, the light of the Imam extends to all things.
While Elyas (a) would be present in all things when on earth as the Imam/leader/guide, the degree he is present is not the same in every soul. The ones who recognize him and love him and cling to him and believe in what the holy books said about him would be guided with most light from him.
Others running away from God toward darkness, he calls them from behind and is their light, but they don't recognize him and his light in them is not as intense and bright. Rather, the darkness overwhelms such souls till they recognize the light within them.
It's the same with Imam Mahdi (a) now. He is with all, but only bright in hearts of believers and only recognized by believers.
Thessalonians 5:23 is 100% correct.
God has created levels of Spirit that drive creation. The Holy Spirit or Messengers are the animating force of life, they are the Word that is the creative force.
Human kind are born of the Human Spirit which is the power of the mind and rational thought. Below us is the vegetable and animal spirits that are the power of growth in this world.
So for a human to know of God, we must embrace the Holy Spirit, with the Spirit of Faith. That is the choice to be Born Again. To be born from the flesh, from the human condition/Spirit vound to this world, to embrace and live in the Holy Spirit.
Baha'u'llah offered that we are born on the edge of darkness and the beginning of light, with the light the potential within us.
The human spirit can rise above the vegetable and animal kingdoms by the way of our rational.mind, we can choose the attributes of the Holy Spirit in faith they are of God, that they are given for us to find unity and purpose, to be as one soul in one body, the body of humanity.
It's a great topic and there is a lifetime of study now given on this topic.
Regards Tony
From my understanding Elijah is the one that is sent to prepare humanity for the appearance of God's Messengers, the appearance of the Holy Spirit from God, in the body of a man.
Jesus offered that Elijah always comes first and in that time it was John the Baptist.
For the Baha'i Faith it was the Bab (Gate).
Regards Tony
Audie
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Never mind. But what about the flood story?
Redemptionsong
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It puzzles me that the Holy Spirit should appear before Muhammad. Why would an individual man do the job of a Spirit better than the Spirit itself? In other words, why was Muhammad needed at all?
Redemptionsong
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It seems to your forte.
Do you know how long [according to the Bible] the flood in Noah's time lasted?
74x12
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Yes God is the Holy Spirit.
Redemptionsong
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Here's another question directed at Christians of all denominations:
Did the gifts [manifestations of power] mentioned in 1 Corinthians 12 cease with the apostles, or should we expect to see such manifestations in the Christian Church today?
Did the gifts [manifestations of power] mentioned in 1 Corinthians 12 cease with the apostles, or should we expect to see such manifestations in the Christian Church today?
Wildswanderer
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Not exactly. He is not the same as the Father. The three are one but saying he's the Father would make a the trinity only two.
Redemptionsong
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Redemptionsong
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I'm not understanding this.
Surely, the gift of the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of the Father?
Wildswanderer
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The God head is three, Father Son and Spirit.
He's a different person from the Father.
But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you (John 14:26).
And He who searches our hearts knows the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for the saints in accordance with God's will (Romans 8:27).
The Father sent the Holy Spirit into the world - the Holy Spirit did not send himself....the Holy Spirit does the will of the Father - not his own will. Clearly they are not the same Person.
Redemptionsong
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What I find most implausible about the Bahai faith is the need for multiple messengers after Jesus Christ has come. To a Christian, Christ is the fulfilment of the law in love, and Christ's Spirit, the Holy Spirit, should be enough to satisfy all mankind for ever!
Everything that I write is my opinion, unless I quote someone else.
RE: KHOMENI:
Link said: "Khomeni was the great Islamic Revolution leader."
We can understand Khomeni better by his actions than his rhetoric.
Ruhollah Khomeini - Wikipedia
Khomeni waffled on Iran's 1967 divorce law (declaring the divorces invalid), yet said that Islamic law gives women the right to divorce. Under what conditions?
Khomeni lowered minimum marriage age to 15 for boys, and 13 for girls. Though that might be appropriate for procreation, are children mature enough to handle it? Financially secure to raise children?
Polygamy laws barred divorce.
Gays were put to death under Khomeni, along with addicts, prostitutes, rapists, and adulterers (charged with sowing corruption). Khomeni asserted that Gays were parasites and corruptors who spread the "stain of wickedness." Transsexuals were deemed sick by Khomeni.
Heaven took precedence over life (martyr children?).
The Iran-Iraq war raged during Khomeni's rule, increasing poverty 45%. What I expect, from a moral leader, is avoidance of war.
"Economics is for donkeys," Khomeni said. Apparently, Khomeni was a religious leader, but didn't do much about running the country right. One shouldn't call someone a donkey before checking himself for a saddle.
"worse than Bani-Ghorizeh Jews, and they must be hanged," Khomeni said. Should Jews be hung too?
Khomeni shut down the Communist Tudeh Party of Iran (on tips from the CIA).
Hundreds of Shah Pahlavi's men were executed by Khomeni, who declared the Mojahedin "enemies of God." Or, are they Khomeni's personal enemies? (In Khomeni's defense, there was the Hafte Tir bombing by the Mojahedin).
Khomeni put to death 30,000 political prisoners who were apostates from Islam. I would expect morality from a moral leader.
Khomeni ordered that Jews be treated well.
Somehow kindness and blood trails don't go together.
Redemptionsong
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Being a different 'person' does not mean that the 'essence' is different.
It says in Ephesians 4:6. 'One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all'.
What do you make of Ephesians 4:6?
Audie
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About a year, opinions vary.
Wildswanderer
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Of course, it's a mystery. Three completely separate individuals, but one entity.
The father seems to be the leader in some sense.
He is the supreme ruler of all things, as the verse says.
The essence of the three are the same, but the Father sends and they obey from perfect love.
Redemptionsong
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Yes, I've read that it lasted 371 days. Here's the calculation:
'Noah entered the ark on the 17th day of the second month of his 600th year, and the earth was dry on the 27th day of the second month of his 601st year, so, counting 30 days to a month, the flood lasted 371 days. The rain fell for 40 days and the waters continued to rise for another 110 =150; the waters then fell for 74 days =224; 40 days later the raven was sent out =264; 7 days later Noah sent out the dove =271; he sent it out again 7 days later =278; and for a third time, 7 days later =285; Noah removed the covering of the ark 29 days later =314; and the earth was finally dry 57 days later =371 days altogether.'
One thing you can't complain about is the fine attention to detail.
Then, we have to consider what kind of an impression a short lasting flood has on the geology. How much evidence is going to be left behind?
74x12
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Thank you,
The holy Spirit is a free gift for those who would receive him in Jesus name.
Revelation 22:17
And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.
And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.
To answer you. Yes, thanks to God.