The Holy Spirit

[74x12]

Do you think that it's possible to receive the Holy Spirit if you do not believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God [and worthy of worship]?

I would say no. Because you have to believe he is whatever he said he is. You can't deny him. But you don't have to know everything about him in order to be filled with the holy Spirit. You just can't think he's a fraud or a liar. Basically you must believe him. He claimed to be the Son of God and that's that.

 

[Redemptionsong]

Predominantly, yes. Its called Roohul Kudhusi in arabic.

Does this mean that there is more than one Holy Spirit in Islam? It sounds as if Gabriel is a holy spirit, and Muhammad is a holy spirit, and Elijah is a holy spirit. Is there such a thing as a 'Holy Spirit, holy spirit' - or is that Allah?

 

[firedragon]

Possibly. But then, Matthew 7:20

I actually think Satan, in as much as he exists at all, is us. He’s the ego, the Big I Am, the part of us that won’t accept God because it wants us to believe that we are God.

Interesting.

Nevertheless, you dont think Satan a real entity but our ego only?

 

[firedragon]

Does this mean that there is more than one Holy Spirit in Islam? It sounds as if Gabriel is a holy spirit, and Muhammad is a holy spirit, and Elijah is a holy spirit. Is there such a thing as a 'Holy Spirit, holy spirit' - or is that Allah?

Who said Muhammed is a "Holy Spirit"?

 

[Redemptionsong]

As if i didn't read it.
Everyone has a different understanding, from
pure metaphor to worldvwide for a year.
If you dont want an answer to your q.,
dont ask it

If you've read the scriptures, then I assume you have a view on the Holy Spirit?

 

[Redemptionsong]

Who said Muhammed is a "Holy Spirit"?

No one. It was a question. Is Allah 'holy', and is Allah 'spirit'?

 

[firedragon]

No one. It was a question. Is Allah 'holy', and is Allah 'spirit'?

In Islamic theology, God is unlike anything. That is fundamental Islamic theology.

 

[Audie]

If you've read the scriptures, then I assume you have a view on the Holy Spirit?

If youve followed this conversation
you would know thats not the topic.

Bye

 

[Link]

So, is what you're saying that Muhammad was preaching Islam at the same time that the Holy Spirit was teaching people the message of Islam?

I'm saying "the Holy spirit" is the station of Imam of the time. Mohammad (s) took this position from Elyas (a) and became the holy spirit, and augmented that reality.

Well, it's leadership inward reality in the spiritual kingdom.

 

[Link]

Who said Muhammed is a "Holy Spirit"?

Shiite hadiths take this position. Ruhul Qudoos and Ruhal Amr in Quran is about the station of the leader of time.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

The challenge of discovering the true Christ when they could be born to any woman, anywhere, is much harder than knowing that the Messiah will be born to a virgin in Bethlehem!

It is as God wills in each age, and thus that is our quandary.

Regards Tony

 

[RestlessSoul]

Interesting.

Nevertheless, you dont think Satan a real entity but our ego only?

Well I think our greatest struggles are always with ourselves, don’t you? A Muslim guy once told me that this was the true nature of jihad - does that make sense to you?

When Christ was in the desert praying and fasting, and Satan offered him dominion over empires, I interpret that to mean that he was wrestling with his own ego and conscience, which being human he certainly had. “Get thee behind me Satan”, was Jesus transcending the ego, abandoning worldly pursuits, and realising his true divine nature - becoming Christ, if you like. This may not be mainstream Christian theology, of course.

 

[firedragon]

Shiite hadiths take this position. Ruhul Qudoos and Ruhal Amr in Quran is about the station of the leader of time.

Thats not relevant to me brother man. So this person made that statement at me. But I guess he mistook me to you.

 

[firedragon]

Well I think our greatest struggles are always with ourselves, don’t you? A Muslim guy once told me that this was the true nature of jihad - does that make sense to you?

True nature of Jihad? True nature of Jihad is "to try". Thats bottomline. SO what every you strive for or try is all "Jihad". I understand what you say, but this is not the Islamic theology you are presenting. In Islamic theology there two usages of this word Shaithan. One is the being, one is simple "rebellious deviation".

When Christ was in the desert praying and fasting, and Satan offered him dominion over empires, I interpret that to mean that he was wrestling with his own ego and conscience, which being human he certainly had. “Get thee behind me Satan”, was Jesus transcending the ego, abandoning worldly pursuits, and realising his true divine nature - becoming Christ, if you like. This may not be mainstream Christian theology, of course.

Okay. I understand your idea. Thanks for the clarification.

 

[firedragon]

I'm saying "the Holy spirit" is the station of Imam of the time. Mohammad (s) took this position from Elyas (a) and became the holy spirit, and augmented that reality.

Well, it's leadership inward reality in the spiritual kingdom.

You know what? A lot of what you say sound more like the Bahai theology. All the time. You seem to have the same methodology. Even the same terminology. I find that interesting really. Hand in glove.

 

[Link]

You know what? A lot of what you say sound more like the Bahai theology. All the time. You seem to have the same methodology. Even the same terminology. I find that interesting really. Hand in glove.

To me it's the opposite. The way non-Shiites deny all the verses about leadership and Ahlulbayt (a) is similar on how Bahais decontextualize all the verses about day of judgment and don't see it holistically.

If you see this issue holistically, it's clear.

 

[1213]

God is said to be 'Holy' and 'Spirit'. Is God, therefore, THE Holy Spirit?
...
What do you understand the Holy Spirit to be? Is it a 'person', or a force?
...

By what I know, holy mean dedicated to God. Could God be dedicated to God? I think not, because God is God. This is why it is maybe better to say just that God is spirit.

Bible tells about Holy Spirit:

But the Counselor, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things, and will remind you of all that I said to you.
John 14:26

When the Counselor [Greek Parakletos: Counselor, Helper, Advocate, Intercessor, and Comfortor.] has come, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth, who proceeds from the Father, he will testify about me.
John 15:26

However when he, the Spirit of truth, has come, he will guide you into all truth, for he will not speak from himself; but whatever he hears, he will speak. He will declare to you things that are coming.
John 16:13

I believe that means, Holy Spirit is like state of mind that leads person towards truth.

 

[Redemptionsong]

By what I know, holy mean dedicated to God. Could God be dedicated to God? I think not, because God is God. This is why it is maybe better to say just that God is spirit.

Bible tells about Holy Spirit:

But the Counselor, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things, and will remind you of all that I said to you.
John 14:26

When the Counselor [Greek Parakletos: Counselor, Helper, Advocate, Intercessor, and Comfortor.] has come, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth, who proceeds from the Father, he will testify about me.
John 15:26

However when he, the Spirit of truth, has come, he will guide you into all truth, for he will not speak from himself; but whatever he hears, he will speak. He will declare to you things that are coming.
John 16:13

I believe that means, Holy Spirit is like state of mind that leads person towards truth.

Do these passages of scripture not tell us that the Holy Spirit acts as a 'person'? Do we know 'things that are coming'?

To my understanding God is holy because he says so! Leviticus 19:2.

 

[Audie]

If you've read the scriptures, then I assume you have a view on the Holy Spirit?

If you ever read the post you are responding to,
what should I assume is the reason your "responses" are 100% off topic?

As for your q, it is fantasy.

 

[ppp]

The available evidence is in the Bible. Why not read it?

You would be wise to work under the default assumption that non-theists have read the Bible until they tell you otherwise.