The Holy Spirit

[Nakosis]

Do you believe, through this process, that God can communicate a specific and precise message? Can God dictate his will?

I can't answer. I suppose I accept it is possible. Certainty eludes me though.
Trust at your own risk.

 

[Link]

It puzzles me that the Holy Spirit should appear before Muhammad. Why would an individual man do the job of a Spirit better than the Spirit itself? In other words, why was Muhammad needed at all?

Mohamad (s) was an instance of the holy spirit and augmented that reality. His family continued this role.

 

[Redemptionsong]

Thank you,

The holy Spirit is a free gift for those who would receive him in Jesus name.

Revelation 22:17
And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.​

To answer you. Yes, thanks to God.

Do you think that it's possible to receive the Holy Spirit if you do not believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God [and worthy of worship]?

 

[TransmutingSoul]

What I find most implausible about the Bahai faith is the need for multiple messengers after Jesus Christ has come. To a Christian, Christ is the fulfilment of the law in love, and Christ's Spirit, the Holy Spirit, should be enough to satisfy all mankind for ever!

The consideration here is that "Christ" is all the Messengers, as it is Christ that is the station of the Holy Spirit. The virgin birth tells us how the Messengers are different from the human race. Though they are born from a women, they are in reality born of the Holy Spirt.

Our challenge is to find Christ in all the Messengers, as they are all One in the Holy Spirit and One with God. That is how the Love continues through time unaltered, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End, the Alpha and Omega.

Remember Jesus always offers the flesh amounts to nothing, we are spiritual beings in need of the Holy Spirt to find life eternal.

Regards Tony

 

[Redemptionsong]

I can't answer. I suppose I accept it is possible. Certainty eludes me though.
Trust at your own risk.

What would you look for, scientifically, to prove that a documentary source was the product of God's inspiration?

 

[Redemptionsong]

Mohamad (s) was an instance of the holy spirit and augmented that reality. His family continued this role.

So, is what you're saying that Muhammad was preaching Islam at the same time that the Holy Spirit was teaching people the message of Islam?

 

[Nakosis]

What would you look for, scientifically, to prove that a documentary source was the product of God's inspiration?

I don't know. I know what the unconscious mind is capable of. I don't know what God is capable of.

If it's convincing me of God's existence, I'll have to leave that to God.

 

[Audie]

Yes, I've read that it lasted 371 days. Here's the calculation:
'Noah entered the ark on the 17th day of the second month of his 600th year, and the earth was dry on the 27th day of the second month of his 601st year, so, counting 30 days to a month, the flood lasted 371 days. The rain fell for 40 days and the waters continued to rise for another 110 =150; the waters then fell for 74 days =224; 40 days later the raven was sent out =264; 7 days later Noah sent out the dove =271; he sent it out again 7 days later =278; and for a third time, 7 days later =285; Noah removed the covering of the ark 29 days later =314; and the earth was finally dry 57 days later =371 days altogether.'

One thing you can't complain about is the fine attention to detail.

Then, we have to consider what kind of an impression a short lasting flood has on the geology. How much evidence is going to be left behind?

Overkill on pointless detail next to zero
on important detail.

Effect? Depends on if the story is supposed to
be true, if its supposed to be local, how local
or world wide.
If ww, then how deep. 15 cubits over Everest?

What story am i to analyze for geological effect?

 

[Redemptionsong]

The consideration here is that "Christ" is all the Messengers, as it is Christ that is the station of the Holy Spirit. The virgin birth tells us how the Messengers are different from the human race. Though they are born from a women, they are in reality born of the Holy Spirt.

Our challenge is to find Christ in all the Messengers, as they are all One in the Holy Spirit and One with God. That is how the Love continues through time unaltered, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End, the Alpha and Omega.

Remember Jesus always offers the flesh amounts to nothing, we are spiritual beings in need of the Holy Spirt to find life eternal.

Regards Tony

The challenge of discovering the true Christ when they could be born to any woman, anywhere, is much harder than knowing that the Messiah will be born to a virgin in Bethlehem!

 

[Redemptionsong]

I don't know. I know what the unconscious mind is capable of. I don't know what God is capable of.

If it's convincing me of God's existence, I'll have to leave that to God.

Well, I'm sure God has his ways!

 

[RestlessSoul]

Do you think the Holy Ghost [Spirit] was in the world before the coming of the Son of God?

Yes, I believe that whenever and wherever people have had personal epiphanies, spiritual awakenings, etc, in all religions and all cultures, this is the Holy Spirit working in them and through them. But the Holy Spirit is not something separate from God, just as Christ was not separate from God - hence John 14:20

 

[Redemptionsong]

Overkill on pointless detail next to zero
on important detail.

Effect? Depends on if the story is supposed to
be true, if its supposed to be local, how local
or world wide.
If ww, then how deep. 15 cubits over Everest?

What story am i to analyze for geological effect?

It's hardly pointless detail. It provides us with a clear time-frame for the flood. We are also told exactly where the ark grounded, and that was in the 'mountains of Ararat' [Turkey].

If this story was complete nonsense, then the names of the children of Noah would not have found their way into the geography of the Middle East and beyond. For instance, one of Noah's sons, Ham, is the father of Canaan. It's no coincidence that the location of the land of Canaan became important to Abraham, and later to the Israelites.

Prizing one part of the Bible, like the flood, from the rest of scripture is actually impossible. Isaiah [700 BCE] speaks about Noah, so does Ezekiel, so does Jesus, so does Paul, and so does Peter.

The oral tradition probably went back a lot further than Isaiah!

 

[Redemptionsong]

Yes, I believe that whenever and wherever people have had personal epiphanies, spiritual awakenings, etc, in all religions and all cultures, this is the Holy Spirit working in them and through them. But the Holy Spirit is not something separate from God, just as Christ was not separate from God - hence John 14:20

Do you not think that there is also a malevolent spirit that is capable of inspiring people?

 

[Audie]

It's hardly pointless detail. It provides us with a clear time-frame for the flood. We are also told exactly where the ark grounded, and that was in the 'mountains of Ararat' [Turkey].

If this story was complete nonsense, then the names of the children of Noah would not have found their way into the geography of the Middle East and beyond. For instance, one of Noah's sons, Ham, is the father of Canaan. It's no coincidence that the location of the land of Canaan became important to Abraham, and later to the Israelites.

Prizing one part of the Bible, like the flood, from the rest of scripture is actually impossible. Isaiah [700 BCE] speaks about Noah, so does Ezekiel, so does Jesus, so does Paul, and so does Peter.

The oral tradition probably went back a lot further than Isaiah!

Your if/ then does not follow.

And you ignored what i asked so i could TRY
to answer your " geology " question.

 

[RestlessSoul]

Do you not think that there is also a malevolent spirit that is capable of inspiring people?

Possibly. But then, Matthew 7:20

I actually think Satan, in as much as he exists at all, is us. He’s the ego, the Big I Am, the part of us that won’t accept God because it wants us to believe that we are God.

 

[Redemptionsong]

Your if/ then does not follow.

And you ignored what i asked so i could TRY
to answer your " geology " question.

The available evidence is in the Bible. Why not read it?

The if/then relates to people settling on the land after the flood. Place names are useful clues to patriarchs and clans, and exist all over the Middle East.

Try, for example, looking at the sons of Joktan [Genesis 10] and their relationship to regions of the Arabian peninsula.

 

[paarsurrey]

God is said to be 'Holy' and 'Spirit'. Is God, therefore, THE Holy Spirit?

Clearly, 'the Holy Spirit' means different things to different faiths. I recently read an article saying that, for Muslims, the Holy Spirit is a reference to the angel Gabriel. Is this accurate?

To a 'trinitarian' Christian, the Holy Spirit is the Father dwelling in his Church.

What do you understand the Holy Spirit to be? Is it a 'person', or a force?

It seems to me that the Holy Spirit receives little air-time on RFs. Time to address this shortcoming.

Tell me what you think.

"God is said to be 'Holy' and 'Spirit' "

To be more specific, G-d is the Creator of all spirits whether holy (like angels) and or unholy (like devils/Satan). Right, please?

Regards

 

[firedragon]

Clearly, 'the Holy Spirit' means different things to different faiths. I recently read an article saying that, for Muslims, the Holy Spirit is a reference to the angel Gabriel. Is this accurate?

Predominantly, yes. Its called Roohul Kudhusi in arabic.

 

[Audie]

The available evidence is in the Bible. Why not read it?

The if/then relates to people settling on the land after the flood. Place names are useful clues to patriarchs and clans, and exist all over the Middle East.

Try, for example, looking at the sons of Joktan [Genesis 10] and their relationship to regions of the Arabian peninsula.

As if i didn't read it.
Everyone has a different understanding, from
pure metaphor to worldvwide for a year.
If you dont want an answer to your q.,
dont ask it

 

[Redemptionsong]

"God is said to be 'Holy' and 'Spirit' "

To be more specific, G-d is the Creator of all spirits whether holy (like angels) and or unholy (like devils/Satan). Right, please?

Regards

I believe God creates both heaven and earth, and the creatures that inhabit both realms. However, I do not believe that God creates evil. Evil is the product of rebellion against righteousness, IMO.