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The immigrant round up has begun.

Shadow Wolf

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Kilgore Trout said:
My statistical crime rate is zero. At least, regarding what I've been caught, arrested, and convicted for.
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I'm in the same situation.
esmith said:
How say you?



in addition:
Obama Has Deported More Immigrants Than Any Other President. Now He's Running Up the Score.

Where were those of you who are troubled by President Trump's actions when the Obama did it?
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It does tend to help when you don't call them rapists, thieves, and murders, and especially when you don't plan on pissing away billions on a wall that won't work or last. And of course Obama didn't go after the ones with minor or no criminal records.
 
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esmith

esmith

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Shadow Wolf said:
It does tend to help when you don't call them rapists, thieves, and murders, and especially when you don't plan on pissing away billions on a wall that won't work or last. And of course Obama didn't go after the ones with minor or no criminal records.
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I think opinions are a right; however they are not facts. I don't know how you came up with the factual data that says a wall will not work. If you have, how about sharing it with us, might be interesting.

To your point that the Obama did not deport illegal aliens with minor or no criminal record. Do you have any facts to back that statement up?
I'm sure you don't because I have the facts that he did.
So let's take a look at those Facts for say 2015
For the year 2015 333,341 people were deported. Of those 139,950 were criminals and 193,391 were non-criminals.
Want to try again?
 
Underhill

Underhill

Well-Known Member
esmith said:
I think opinions are a right; however they are not facts. I don't know how you came up with the factual data that says a wall will not work. If you have, how about sharing it with us, might be interesting.

To your point that the Obama did not deport illegal aliens with minor or no criminal record. Do you have any facts to back that statement up?
I'm sure you don't because I have the facts that he did.
So let's take a look at those Facts for say 2015
For the year 2015 333,341 people were deported. Of those 139,950 were criminals and 193,391 were non-criminals.
Want to try again?
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There in lies my confusion with the whole issue. It was always a lie that Obama didn't do enough. More border guards, more deportations, illegals crossing the boarder way down... the whole issue is a fabrication.

So let's spend tens of billions to build a wall that most experts say won't work to solve a problem that was blown way out of proportion to reality.
 
esmith

esmith

Veteran Member
Underhill said:
There in lies my confusion with the whole issue. It was always a lie that Obama didn't do enough. More border guards, more deportations, illegals crossing the boarder way down... the whole issue is a fabrication.

So let's spend tens of billions to build a wall that most experts say won't work to solve a problem that was blown way out of proportion to reality.
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Again do you have facts to backup your statement?
 
Underhill

Underhill

Well-Known Member
esmith said:
Again do you have facts to backup your statement?
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Everything I said is opinion, but opinion based upon facts. You can look up the numbers, the number of border agents, deportations... all these things increased from Bush to Obama.

As for the wall, it may be effective against those lease likely to be an issue. The casual border crosser. But every expert I've ever heard talk about it says that it won't have much of an impact on drug cartels and those determined to cross. Some of these people have been detained and sent back a half a dozen times. Having to use a ladder isn't going to change much for them. And cartels dig tunnels, fly over or simply throw their goods over the existing walls and fences.
 
Jeremiahcp

Jeremiahcp

Well-Known Jerk
esmith said:
Sorry, I don't know what you are asking me. What should I know?
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"What should I know?"

It is all over this thread and all over the news and the fact that you don't know why people are upset demonstrates how little you pay attention.
 
esmith

esmith

Veteran Member
Jeremiahcp said:
"What should I know?"

It is all over this thread and all over the news and the fact that you don't know why people are upset demonstrates how little you pay attention.
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You mean doing the exact same thing the Obama did. OK, I understand if the Obama did it he had a reason and President Trump didn't.
 
Jeremiahcp

Jeremiahcp

Well-Known Jerk
esmith said:
You mean doing the exact same thing the Obama did. OK, I understand if the Obama did it he had a reason and President Trump didn't.
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I don't know if you noticed this but Obama is not president any more, and if you read the news then you would know that Trump wrote an EO that changed the rules of the game.

The executive order Trump signed last month gives the Department of Homeland Security the power to go after undocumented immigrants who have minor offenses or no convictions at all.
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Trump praises immigration raids, Schumer presses for more info


The expansive executive order signed last month by President Donald Trump allows a significantly broader population of immigrants to be picked up for deportation. And Trump has signaled he has every intention of using that authority to carry out his campaign pledge to deport millions of foreigners from the United States.


Immigration advocates say the stepped-up enforcement amounts to a new deportation dragnet that’s ensnaring otherwise law-abiding immigrants.
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Trump just getting started with immigration raids
 
Shadow Wolf

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
esmith said:
I don't know how you came up with the factual data that says a wall will not work.
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IDK. "Your side" is so very fond of pointing out how gun laws won't work because criminals won't care. It's absolutely no different than with a wall, especially since they are already going around and tunneling under what we already have.
esmith said:
To your point that the Obama did not deport illegal aliens with minor or no criminal record. Do you have any facts to back that statement up?
I'm sure you don't because I have the facts that he did.
So let's take a look at those Facts for say 2015
For the year 2015 333,341 people were deported. Of those 139,950 were criminals and 193,391 were non-criminals.
Want to try again?
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Yes, because his policies did not explicitly go after those with minor/no criminal records.
 
Shadow Wolf

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
I seriously doubt Trump is aware there will be economic repercussions over such mass deportations. But, then again, what does he have to worry about if the cost of food goes up? He can (at least he claims) afford the price hike without noticing.
 
Valjean

Valjean

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This is one of those situations where the cure is worse than the illness.

The 'illegals' are hard working and productive. They have low crime rates. They pay taxes but don't claim the benefits -- Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, Workman's Comp. unemployment compensation, food stamps (SNAP), &c. They're an economic boon to the economy, in fact, American industry and agriculture depend on them.

But they are here illegally.
Should we follow the law and deport them even if doing so would harm us? Wouldn't that be cutting off our nose to spite our face? Wouldn't that be "a foolish consistency?"

Are we acting from pique? Are we being vindictive? Aren't laws enacted for our benefit? Once passed, are we slaves to the law, wherever it leads? Are we stuck in Kohlberg's stage 4 of cognitive development? ( Lawrence Kohlberg's stages of moral development - Wikipedia )
 
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Shadow Wolf

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Valjean said:
This is one of those situations where the cure is worse than the illness.

The 'illegals' are hard working and productive. They have low crime rates. They pay taxes but don't claim the benefits -- Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, Workman's Comp. unemployment compensation, food stamps (SNAP), &c. They're an economic boon to the economy, in fact, American industry and agriculture depend on them.

But they are here illegally.
Should we follow the law and deport them even if doing so would harm us? Wouldn't that be cutting off our nose to spite our face? Wouldn't that be "a foolish consistency?"

Are we acting from pique? Are we being vindictive? Aren't laws enacted for our benefit? Once passed, are we slaves to the law, wherever it leads? Are we stuck in Kohlberg's stage 4 of cognitive development? ( Lawrence Kohlberg's stages of moral development - Wikipedia )
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Ultimately, that is the position we are in. We benefit from immigrants, especially illegal immigrants. It's an exploitative benefit, but we benefit nevertheless.
 
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