The immigrant round up has begun.

[esmith]

"So let's take a look at those Facts for say 2015"
below copied from the above post
"The 2015 Yearbook of Immigration Statistics is a compendium of tables that provide data on foreign nationals who are granted lawful permanent residence (i.e., immigrants who receive a “green card”), admitted as temporary nonimmigrants, granted asylum or refugee status, or are naturalized. The Yearbook also presents data on immigration enforcement actions, including apprehensions and arrests, removals, and returns."

What's your problem with the 2015 Yearbook of Immigration Statistics? Is Table 41 your problem?

I am having a very serious problem following your thought train and where you are attempting to go or prove.

 

[esmith]

How about you address the fact you are citing the wrong numbers. You did say "At least when I make a mistake I admit it."

What numbers did I get wrong and I will correct them.

 

[Jeremiahcp]

What's your problem with the 2015 Yearbook of Immigration Statistics? Is Table 41 your problem?

I am having a very serious problem following your thought train and where you are attempting to go or prove.

"I am having a very serious problem following your thought"

Somehow I am not surprised.

granted lawful permanent residence (i.e., immigrants who receive a “green card”), admitted as temporary nonimmigrants, granted asylum or refugee status, or are naturalized. The Yearbook also presents data on immigration enforcement actions, including apprehensions and arrests, removals, and returns.

Table 41 | Homeland Security

You are citing the wrong numbers. These are not the statistics of illegal immigrants removed, they are statistics for legal immigrants removed.

 

[esmith]

"I am having a very serious problem following your thought"

Somehow I am not surprised.



Table 41 | Homeland Security

You are citing the wrong numbers. These are not the statistics of illegal immigrants removed, they are statistics for legal immigrants removed.

After reexamining the link I see that I made a mistake. The link was for legal not illegal persons. My mistake

Problem is I can find no data on illegal aliens broken down by criminal non-criminal status. It is easy to look at the link and make the assumption that a legal alien would be deported that did not have a criminal record.

 

[Jeremiahcp]

After reexamining the link I see that I made a mistake. The link was for legal not illegal persons. My mistake

Well, I have to admit you are true to your word.

 

[esmith]

Well, I have to admit you are true to your word.

Just one small question. You seem to have a problem with deportation of illegal aliens. But you seem to not have a problem with the deportation of legal aliens with or without a criminal record. I would hazard to guess that families would be broken-up over illegal or legal aliens, but I see no evidence that anyone was concerned about this in the past years. Why only now.

 

[Jeremiahcp]

Just one small question. You seem to have a problem with deportation of illegal aliens. But you seem to not have a problem with the deportation of legal aliens with or without a criminal record. I would hazard to guess that families would be broken-up over illegal or legal aliens, but I see no evidence that anyone was concerned about this in the past years. Why only now.

That is a straw-man argument.

 

[esmith]

That is a straw-man argument.

Why? What's the difference between deporting illegal aliens for criminal or non-criminal actions or legal aliens for criminal or non-criminal actions?

 

[McBell]

Why? What's the difference between deporting illegal aliens for criminal or non-criminal actions or legal aliens for criminal or non-criminal actions?

um...
Some legal aliens are not criminals whilst all illegal aliens are criminals?

 

[esmith]

um...
Some legal aliens are not criminals whilst all illegal aliens are criminals?

Now now, don't confuse the masses.

 

[Valjean]

But they're beneficial criminals; criminals we'd be hard pressed to do without.
Are we so vindictive; so inflexibly enslaved to the letter of the law, that we'd harm ourselves just to hurt those who violate the law? What does this accomplish?

Does law trump common sense, or kindness, or the golden rule?
Laws are capricious and mercurial. They're suggestions.

 

[McBell]

But they're beneficial criminals; criminals we'd be hard pressed to do without.
Are we so vindictive; so inflexibly enslaved to the letter of the law, that we'd harm ourselves just to hurt those who violate the law? What does this accomplish?

Does law trump common sense, or kindness, or the golden rule?
Laws are capricious and mercurial. They're suggestions.

Don't get me wrong.
I agree it is not as simple as either side likes to present.
It has gone on far to long unchecked and now it is a serious problem.
At least in the handling of it.

As for law trumping the other suggestions you list, I say it should be handled on a case by case basis.

 

[Jeremiahcp]

Why? What's the difference between deporting illegal aliens for criminal or non-criminal actions or legal aliens for criminal or non-criminal actions?

"Why?"

It is a straw man because you are trying to superimpose a position on me that I don't hold. I am not going to argue your straw man as if it was my position.

 

[Valjean]

It has gone on far to long unchecked and now it is a serious problem.

See, this is what I have a problem with. I'm a news junkie. I hear this propaganda from the Right all the time. It's bunk. It's smoke and mirrors; a distraction to keep us focused on irrelevancies.
1. They're a net benefit.
2. They're not a threat.
3. They could be easily removed at little cost, but the powers-that-be don't really want to. They're too valuable as "illegals."

 

[psychoslice]

The ones who don't seem to be very intelligent are those who are unaware that Obama's policies did not directly or explicitly target immigrants with no/minor criminal records. That's one of the things that made Trump's OE stand out, is that it did broaden the scope to implicitly go after those Obama left out of his policies.

I believe Obama let many people into the country that should have never been allowed, he was an idiot, and yes Trump will get rid of all those that were allowed in by stupid Obama, just drop the violins for awhile and start to think, you might learn something.

 

[McBell]

See, this is what I have a problem with. I'm a news junkie. I hear this propaganda from the Right all the time. It's bunk. It's smoke and mirrors; a distraction to keep us focused on irrelevancies.
1. They're a net benefit.
2. They're not a threat.
3. They could be easily removed at little cost, but the powers-that-be don't really want to. They're too valuable as "illegals."

care to try again without taking my comment out of context?

 

[Vinayaka]

I move we collect all those darn illegal immigrants and do what Britain did two hundred years ago, and ship them all to Australia.

 

[fantome profane]

3. .... They're too valuable as "illegals."

This is what think is the real problem. There are a lot of people being exploited because they are illegals. But you never hear politicians bringing up that issue.

 

[psychoslice]

I move we collect all those darn illegal immigrants and do what Britain did two hundred years ago, and ship them all to Australia.

No no we don't want them here, we have too many already, we are following the US down the toilet, yes I hope for all your sake Trump will get rid of them.

 

[Valjean]

I believe Obama let many people into the country that should have never been allowed, he was an idiot, and yes Trump will get rid of all those that were allowed in by stupid Obama, just drop the violins for awhile and start to think, you might learn something.

Who did he let in? As I understand it, his deportation numbers were unprecedented. Didn't they call him the Deporter-in-chief?