The immigrant round up has begun.

[Shad]

The 'illegals' are hard working and productive. They have low crime rates. They pay taxes but don't claim the benefits -- Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, Workman's Comp. unemployment compensation, food stamps (SNAP), &c. They're an economic boon to the economy, in fact, American industry and agriculture depend on them.

This is hilarious. Yes we should be thankful for the taxes which is part of the tax code when they obtained false documents enabling them to work..... As if they were doing us a favour. Meanwhile we should also be thankful that illegals avoided using social programs that would expouse them as illegal....

Thanks for committing fraud! I'm sure you meant well!....

 

[esmith]

IDK. "Your side" is so very fond of pointing out how gun laws won't work because criminals won't care. It's absolutely no different than with a wall, especially since they are already going around and tunneling under what we already have.

What? You are grasping at straws with that type of argument. If they are tunneling under what we have now, why is it that the border fence is working in Yuma AZ area?

Yes, because his policies did not explicitly go after those with minor/no criminal records.

then tell me how if he did not intentional go after those with minor or no criminal records how is it that he deported 193,391 in 2015; 246,471 in 2014; 218,245 in 2013; 218,,254 in 2012; 195,170 in 2011; 212,609 in 2011, and 259,760 in 2010? Was it just by accident?

 

[esmith]

I don't know if you noticed this but Obama is not president any more, and if you read the news then you would know that Trump wrote an EO that changed the rules of the game.

As far as Obama not being President....YEAH
Why weren't all of you protesting Obama for deporting those with no criminal record in the following years?
193,391 in 2015;
246,471 in 2014;
204,027 in 2013;
218,,254 in 2012;
198,170 in 2011;
212,609 in 2010;
259,760 in 2009;

 

[psychoslice]

In our country, Psycho, you're just another illegal immigrant!!

That's why I am not there.

 

[Jeremiahcp]

As far as Obama not being President....YEAH
Why weren't all of you protesting Obama for deporting those with no criminal record in the following years?
193,391 in 2015;
246,471 in 2014;
204,027 in 2013;
218,,254 in 2012;
198,170 in 2011;
212,609 in 2010;
259,760 in 2009;

I don't really care what Obama did, as clearly at the end he saw it was best not to rip apart peaceful families.

I also consider anything you say as bias and I don't consider you a reliable source.

 

[psychoslice]

As far as Obama not being President....YEAH
Why weren't all of you protesting Obama for deporting those with no criminal record in the following years?
193,391 in 2015;
246,471 in 2014;
204,027 in 2013;
218,,254 in 2012;
198,170 in 2011;
212,609 in 2010;
259,760 in 2009;

I think many of these liberals have a very short brain span, they just don't seem to be that intelligent, well what I have seen that is lol.

 

[Lyndon]

And you're a good example of intelligence????

 

[Shadow Wolf]

What? You are grasping at straws with that type of argument.

Pointing out a major logical inconsistency is your position is not grasping at straws.

why is it that the border fence is working in Yuma AZ area?

I'd have to look more into, because I doubt it's just a wall. Don't forget, some cartel people are so damn good at tunneling that even prison may not even stop them.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I think many of these liberals have a very short brain span, they just don't seem to be that intelligent, well what I have seen that is lol.

The ones who don't seem to be very intelligent are those who are unaware that Obama's policies did not directly or explicitly target immigrants with no/minor criminal records. That's one of the things that made Trump's OE stand out, is that it did broaden the scope to implicitly go after those Obama left out of his policies.

 

[esmith]

I don't really care what Obama did, as clearly at the end he saw it was best not to rip apart peaceful families.
You seem to care about the latest actions taken by ICE but you didn't care about the actions taken by ICE during the Obama reign, or is it you just don't care about anything that President Trump does. I am guessing it is the latter.

I also consider anything you say as bias and I don't consider you a reliable source.

I am honored that you see me as a source of information even though you don't consider me a reliable source. Maybe that is your problem; you only accept facts(?) from sources that agree with you.
Will you take Homeland Security as a reliable source?
Yearbook of Immigration Statistics | Homeland Security

 

[esmith]

Pointing out a major logical inconsistency is your position is not grasping at straws.

Comparing firearm laws to illegal immigration is grasping at straws. Yes, criminals do not care about firearm laws until they are caught and illegals will continue to invade our country until they are either stopped or caught. So I guess you can say they, criminals and illegals are one in the same.

I'd have to look more into, because I doubt it's just a wall. Don't forget, some cartel people are so damn good at tunneling that even prison may not even stop them.[/QUOTE]
Take a Look at the 'Gold Standard' of Border Fences in Yuma, Arizona
'It works': Yuma's fence, manpower make border nearly impenetrable
Where U.S.-Mexico border fence is tall, border crossings fall
Those are the only sites that you will find that even reports the success of the fence. Wonder why? Oh, that's right it goes against the liberal MSM policies.

I see you have decided that your Obama deported thousand of non-criminal illegals by your silence. At least when I make a mistake I admit it.

 

[Jeremiahcp]

I am honored that you see me as a source of information even though you don't consider me a reliable source. Maybe that is your problem; you only accept facts(?) from sources that agree with you.
Will you take Homeland Security as a reliable source?
Yearbook of Immigration Statistics | Homeland Security

It is like talking to a wall when it comes to you.

"Maybe that is your problem; you only accept facts(?) from sources that agree with you."

Maybe your problem is that you don't listen. Trump singed the current EO that changed the way deportation is handled. That is a FACT. I have always been against destroying families no matter who is in office and that is a FACT. I mean really try to actually listen.

"
Will you take Homeland Security as a reliable source?
Yearbook of Immigration Statistics | Homeland Security"

Direct citation please.

 

[Lyndon]

Some people are just haters!!

 

[esmith]

"
Will you take Homeland Security as a reliable source?
Yearbook of Immigration Statistics | Homeland Security"

Direct citation please.

Ok, not sure exactly what you want but I did try and get the meaning of "direct citation" this is what I found at direct vs. indirect citations | asc.erikson.edu

Citations: Direct Citations and Indirect Citations (Paraphrasing)

A common concern is often how to cite information one wants to use within their paper. The most important thing to remember about citing sources is that you must give credit to the sources in each of the following information sharing scenarios:

-word-for-word (a direct quote)

-paraphrasing (putting the information in your own words for an indirect quote)

-summarizing information from an outside source (stating in your own words information from a source briefly but concisely)

So what do you find wrong with the link I provided?
1. I did not direct quote anything from the link
2. I did not paraphrase anything within the link
3. I did no summarize anything in the link
What is your problem?

 

[esmith]

Some people are just haters!!

yeah have seen a lot of that from the anti-Trump groups.

 

[Jeremiahcp]

I think opinions are a right; however they are not facts. I don't know how you came up with the factual data that says a wall will not work. If you have, how about sharing it with us, might be interesting.

To your point that the Obama did not deport illegal aliens with minor or no criminal record. Do you have any facts to back that statement up?
I'm sure you don't because I have the facts that he did.
So let's take a look at those Facts for say 2015
For the year 2015 333,341 people were deported. Of those 139,950 were criminals and 193,391 were non-criminals.
Want to try again?

"So let's take a look at those Facts for say 2015"

The 2015 Yearbook of Immigration Statistics is a compendium of tables that provide data on foreign nationals who are granted lawful permanent residence (i.e., immigrants who receive a “green card”), admitted as temporary nonimmigrants, granted asylum or refugee status, or are naturalized. The Yearbook also presents data on immigration enforcement actions, including apprehensions and arrests, removals, and returns.

 

[Jeremiahcp]

Ok, not sure exactly what you want but I did try and get the meaning of "direct citation" this is what I found at direct vs. indirect citations | asc.erikson.edu


So what do you find wrong with the link I provided?
1. I did not direct quote anything from the link
2. I did not paraphrase anything within the link
3. I did no summarize anything in the link
What is your problem?

Obtuse Angle Examples

I also noticed how you continue to ignore the fact that Trump is the one that signed the current EO.

 

[Jeremiahcp]

Comparing firearm laws to illegal immigration is grasping at straws. Yes, criminals do not care about firearm laws until they are caught and illegals will continue to invade our country until they are either stopped or caught. So I guess you can say they, criminals and illegals are one in the same.

Those are the only sites that you will find that even reports the success of the fence. Wonder why? Oh, that's right it goes against the liberal MSM policies.

I see you have decided that your Obama deported thousand of non-criminal illegals by your silence. At least when I make a mistake I admit it.

"At least when I make a mistake I admit it."

You are citing numbers for legal immigrates removed. Are you going to admit to that mistake?

 

[esmith]

Obtuse Angle Examples

I also noticed how you continue to ignore the fact that Trump is the one that signed the current EO.

And you keep saying things that only have a meaning in your own mind (whatever obtuse angle means to you in the germane we are discussing) . And you forget that this ICE roundup was planned under the Obama watch. This type of evolution has to be planned months in advance and down to the nit-picking details. Just what EO did President Trump sign that had anything to do with the ICE operation of a few days ago. The only EO that had anything to do with immigration was the EO on restricting entry for 90 days from 7 countries and stopping immigrants from Syria, and that EO was stopped and it had nothing to do with those already within the country. Now he did sign an EO that "you" might see as affecting how ICE handled the "roundup". But I have looked at a synopsis of the EO and can find nothing in it that supports your claims that it affected the ICE raids.
Trump’s Immigration Orders, Explained

and a "liberal" synopsis of the EO
Trump Administration Prepares to Execute “Vicious” Executive Order on Deportations

so after reading both or just one of the papers please explain how you came to your conclusion that

 

[Jeremiahcp]

And you keep saying things that only have a meaning in your own mind (whatever obtuse angle means to you in the germane we are discussing) . And you forget that this ICE roundup was planned under the Obama watch. This type of evolution has to be planned months in advance and down to the nit-picking details. Just what EO did President Trump sign that had anything to do with the ICE operation of a few days ago. The only EO that had anything to do with immigration was the EO on restricting entry for 90 days from 7 countries and stopping immigrants from Syria, and that EO was stopped and it had nothing to do with those already within the country. Now he did sign an EO that "you" might see as affecting how ICE handled the "roundup". But I have looked at a synopsis of the EO and can find nothing in it that supports your claims that it affected the ICE raids.
Trump’s Immigration Orders, Explained

and a "liberal" synopsis of the EO
Trump Administration Prepares to Execute “Vicious” Executive Order on Deportations

so after reading both or just one of the papers please explain how you came to your conclusion that

How about you address the fact you are citing the wrong numbers. You did say "At least when I make a mistake I admit it."