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"The kingdom of God is within you"

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
It is still him or her who will go to Heaven or not.
How God changes our flesh, does not change what we are.
A evil person after death is still evil.

Yes, ' chosen ' males or females go to heaven, but the majority of mankind will remain here on earth. You're right, death does Not change who we are at the time of death.
Those who are resurrected to heaven are classed as saints or holy ones.
As Romans 6 vs7,23 mentions: the dead are freed or acquitted from their sins.
So, except for those committing the unforgivable sin - Matt 12:32; Hebrews 6: vs 4 to 6 - the rest will have a resurrection - see Acts 24:15 - because both the righteous and unrighteous will be resurrected. Those judged as evil or wicked will be destroyed forever - Psalm 92:7

Being freed or acquitted from sin - Romans 6:7 - does Not mean now innocent, but as a governor can pardon a person so the crime charges No longer stick, Jesus can pardon a person so the sin charges No longer stick. This opens up the door, so to speak, for the possibility of total compassion on the part of Christ taking place during his 1000-year kingdom rule over earth when there will be a healthy physical resurrection of the dead who will be restored back to life on a paradisaic earth with the possibility of living forever on earth. -Psalm 37:11,29
 

Johnlove

Active Member
Yes, ' chosen ' males or females go to heaven, but the majority of mankind will remain here on earth. You're right, death does Not change who we are at the time of death.
Those who are resurrected to heaven are classed as saints or holy ones.
As Romans 6 vs7,23 mentions: the dead are freed or acquitted from their sins.
So, except for those committing the unforgivable sin - Matt 12:32; Hebrews 6: vs 4 to 6 - the rest will have a resurrection - see Acts 24:15 - because both the righteous and unrighteous will be resurrected. Those judged as evil or wicked will be destroyed forever - Psalm 92:7

Being freed or acquitted from sin - Romans 6:7 - does Not mean now innocent, but as a governor can pardon a person so the crime charges No longer stick, Jesus can pardon a person so the sin charges No longer stick. This opens up the door, so to speak, for the possibility of total compassion on the part of Christ taking place during his 1000-year kingdom rule over earth when there will be a healthy physical resurrection of the dead who will be restored back to life on a paradisaic earth with the possibility of living forever on earth. -Psalm 37:11,29
Your understanding does not agree with what Jesus told us.


Also Jesus tells me you are wrong.


(Matthew 7:21-23) “It is not those who say to me, ‘Lord, Lord’, who will enter the kingdom of Heaven but the person who does the will of My Father in Heaven. When the day comes many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, cast out demons in your name, work many miracles in your name?’ Then I shall tell them to their faces: I have never known you; away from me, you evil men!”
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
Your understanding does not agree with what Jesus told us.
Also Jesus tells me you are wrong.
(Matthew 7:21-23) “It is not those who say to me, ‘Lord, Lord’, who will enter the kingdom of Heaven but the person who does the will of My Father in Heaven. When the day comes many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, cast out demons in your name, work many miracles in your name?’ Then I shall tell them to their faces: I have never known you; away from me, you evil men!”

What did Jesus tell us at Matthew 5:5 when Jesus was referring to Psalm 37:11,29 ?

Sure, Many say ' Lord, Lord ', thinking they are going to heaven.
Many preachers of Christendom think they have a cornerstone on going to heaven.
They often do Not preach and ignore about Jesus' 1000-year kingdom reign over: earth.

Sure, those of Rev. 20:6 have a first or earlier resurrection to heaven do they not ?
Since those of John 3:13; Acts 2:34 - do Not go to heaven, where does the majority of mankind end up but on earth. Who ' remains ' on earth according to Proverbs 2:21,22 ?

Who did Jesus ever resurrect to heaven, weren't all of Jesus' resurrections taking place on earth?________ Jesus was giving us a small preview of what Jesus will be doing on a GRAND global scale over earth during his millennium-long day of ruling over earth, or over earthly subjects - or citizens - of God's kingdom over earth.- Psalm 72:8,12-14

Who are the resurrected-to-heaven ones of Rev. 5 verses 9,10 ?
Who are they who rule as kings and priests over earth?
Doesn't earth have to be inhabited in order for them to have earthly subjects on earth ?
 

Johnlove

Active Member
What did Jesus tell us at Matthew 5:5 when Jesus was referring to Psalm 37:11,29 ?

Sure, Many say ' Lord, Lord ', thinking they are going to heaven.
Many preachers of Christendom think they have a cornerstone on going to heaven.
They often do Not preach and ignore about Jesus' 1000-year kingdom reign over: earth.

Sure, those of Rev. 20:6 have a first or earlier resurrection to heaven do they not ?
Since those of John 3:13; Acts 2:34 - do Not go to heaven, where does the majority of mankind end up but on earth. Who ' remains ' on earth according to Proverbs 2:21,22 ?

Who did Jesus ever resurrect to heaven, weren't all of Jesus' resurrections taking place on earth?________ Jesus was giving us a small preview of what Jesus will be doing on a GRAND global scale over earth during his millennium-long day of ruling over earth, or over earthly subjects - or citizens - of God's kingdom over earth.- Psalm 72:8,12-14

Who are the resurrected-to-heaven ones of Rev. 5 verses 9,10 ?
Who are they who rule as kings and priests over earth?
Doesn't earth have to be inhabited in order for them to have earthly subjects on earth ?
 

Johnlove

Active Member
You ask many questions and they can only be answered by God.


Jesus has shared some of what is to come with me, but even that he does not want me to share with you.


Know this there are only a few who live God’s Word, and those few will be God’s servants who will rule the next world.
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
You ask many questions and they can only be answered by God.
Jesus has shared some of what is to come with me, but even that he does not want me to share with you.
Know this there are only a few who live God’s Word, and those few will be God’s servants who will rule the next world.

...and God answers the questions through the pages of the Scriptures.

Why would Jesus change and become selfish by him Not wanting you to share ?

Yes, ' few ' as in the ' little flock ' of Luke 12:32 who will be God's servants who will rule the next world, the new world of righteousness to come, on earth under Christ's 1000-year rule over earth. The majority of mankind will be earthly subjects or citizens of God's kingdom.

Also, the humble ' sheep ' of Matthew 25:31,32 will be ' few ' in comparison to the haughty ' goats ' who bring ruin to earth - Revelation 11:18 B.
 

Johnlove

Active Member
...and God answers the questions through the pages of the Scriptures.

Why would Jesus change and become selfish by him Not wanting you to share ?

Yes, ' few ' as in the ' little flock ' of Luke 12:32 who will be God's servants who will rule the next world, the new world of righteousness to come, on earth under Christ's 1000-year rule over earth. The majority of mankind will be earthly subjects or citizens of God's kingdom.

Also, the humble ' sheep ' of Matthew 25:31,32 will be ' few ' in comparison to the haughty ' goats ' who bring ruin to earth - Revelation 11:18 B.
Yes I can just see it now, all you humble sheep going up to Jesus with your tails hanging between your legs.


Then telling Jesus and Apostle John; we read what you said, about sin, but believed you were not speaking to us.


The leaders in our church told us all we needed to do was ask forgiveness and all would be forgiven.


The leaders/teachers told us that one is a liar if he or she says they no longer sin.


Yes we read where John tells us that a child of God will not sin. We just believed he was speaking to someone else.


(1 John 3:9-10) “No one who has been begotten by God sins; because God’s seed remains inside him, he cannot sin when he has been begotten by God. In this way we distinguish the children of God from the children of the devil: anybody not living a holy life and not loving his brother is no child of God’s.”


No we did not believe you Jesus, when you called us to be perfect as the Father in Heaven is perfect. We were told that was not possible.


(Matthew 5:48) “Even the pagans do as much, do they not? You must therefore be perfect just as your heavenly Father is perfect.”


Holy Spirit giving us the grace, and guidance to never sin again? No we did not believe that either.



(Romans 8: 4) “He did this in order that the law’s just demands might be satisfied in us, who behave not as our unspiritual nature but as the Spirit dictates.”


(Romans 8: 4-5) “This was so that the Law's requirements might be fully satisfied in us as we direct our lives not by our natural inclinations but by the Spirit.”


Even though we have been sinners, we are humble, and we believe in you, does that not make up for all of our sin?


(1 Corinthians 6:9-10) “You know perfectly well that people who do wrong will not inherit the Kingdom of God: people of immoral lives, idolaters, adulterers, catamites, sodomites, thieves, usurers, drunkards, slanders and swindlers will never inherit the kingdom of God.”


(John 12:47-48) “If anyone hears my words and does not keep them faithfully, it is not I who shall condemn him, since I have come not to condemn the world, but to save the world: he who rejects me and refuses my words has his judge already: the word itself that I have spoken will be his judge on the last day.”
 

Kolibri

Well-Known Member
No we did not believe you Jesus, when you called us to be perfect as the Father in Heaven is perfect. We were told that was not possible.


(Matthew 5:48) “Even the pagans do as much, do they not? You must therefore be perfect just as your heavenly Father is perfect.”

The Hebrew and Greek Bible words translated “perfect” often mean “complete,” “mature,” or “faultless” according to standards set by an authority. In everyday speech, the word is generally used in a relative sense. The expression “perfect weather” is one example.

What is the relative perfection that is attainable even in our imperfection? Back up a few verses we can see how we can see God's standard of perfection as it pertains to Mt 5:48:


"However, I say to you: Continue to love your enemies and to pray for those who persecute you, so that you may prove yourselves sons of your Father who is in the heavens, since he makes his sun rise on both the wicked and the good and makes it rain on both the righteous and the unrighteous." - Mt 5:44,45

Next we read what would constitute imperfect imitation of God's example:


"For if you love those loving you, what reward do you have? Are not also the tax collectors doing the same thing? And if you greet your brothers only, what extraordinary thing are you doing? Are not also the people of the nations doing the same thing?" - Mt 5:46,47

So, Mt 5:48 is not talking about perfection in the way that means we do not sin anymore. Rather, the context is giving us an example of showing perfect, or complete, love of neighbor. This is attainable even by imperfect men.
 

Johnlove

Active Member
The Hebrew and Greek Bible words translated “perfect” often mean “complete,” “mature,” or “faultless” according to standards set by an authority. In everyday speech, the word is generally used in a relative sense. The expression “perfect weather” is one example.

What is the relative perfection that is attainable even in our imperfection? Back up a few verses we can see how we can see God's standard of perfection as it pertains to Mt 5:48:


"However, I say to you: Continue to love your enemies and to pray for those who persecute you, so that you may prove yourselves sons of your Father who is in the heavens, since he makes his sun rise on both the wicked and the good and makes it rain on both the righteous and the unrighteous." - Mt 5:44,45

Next we read what would constitute imperfect imitation of God's example:


"For if you love those loving you, what reward do you have? Are not also the tax collectors doing the same thing? And if you greet your brothers only, what extraordinary thing are you doing? Are not also the people of the nations doing the same thing?" - Mt 5:46,47

So, Mt 5:48 is not talking about perfection in the way that means we do not sin anymore. Rather, the context is giving us an example of showing perfect, or complete, love of neighbor. This is attainable even by imperfect men.
Jesus told us what he meant by perfect. Jesus said to be perfect as the Father in Heaven is perfect.


There is no perfect man, but God who dwells in those who love him is perfect, and makes man be as he is.


(John 14: 23) “Anyone who loves me will keep my word and my Father will love him, and we shall come to him and make a home in him.”
 

Kolibri

Well-Known Member
Jesus told us what he meant by perfect. Jesus said to be perfect as the Father in Heaven is perfect.


There is no perfect man, but God who dwells in those who love him is perfect, and makes man be as he is.


(John 14: 23) “Anyone who loves me will keep my word and my Father will love him, and we shall come to him and make a home in him.”

Context of Mt 5:44-47 means nothing?
 

savagewind

Veteran Member
Premium Member
I shall pretend the man is able to listen and post what I have heard "walk like Jesus did" means. God's Word is about drawing close to God. So Jesus leads people that way. He is leading us on the way, the truth and the life and that is how we are to walk. Perfectly? He is Lord. If he expects perfection from all those with him he would be the worst master that ever was. What do humans do to other humans if other humans are not just what they want them to be? An evil man forsakes who is not what he wants or he beats them. Johnlove Jesus is not like that.

Sin leads people away from God. Jesus leads people to God. So to walk as Jesus walks is TO GOD.
 

Johnlove

Active Member
I shall pretend the man is able to listen and post what I have heard "walk like Jesus did" means. God's Word is about drawing close to God. So Jesus leads people that way. He is leading us on the way, the truth and the life and that is how we are to walk. Perfectly? He is Lord. If he expects perfection from all those with him he would be the worst master that ever was. What do humans do to other humans if other humans are not just what they want them to be? An evil man forsakes who is not what he wants or he beats them. Johnlove Jesus is not like that.

Sin leads people away from God. Jesus leads people to God. So to walk as Jesus walks is TO GOD.
There is no perfect man, but God who dwells in those who love him is perfect, and makes man be as he is.


(John 14: 23) “Anyone who loves me will keep my word and my Father will love him, and we shall come to him and make a home in him.”


Jesus told us to pray for God’s Will to be done on earth as it is in heaven.


My prayer is for God’s will to be my will forever. God’s Will is for us to live his Will, and God makes that possible for his people.


(1 John 3:9-10) “No one who has been begotten by God sins; because God’s seed remains inside him, he cannot sin when he has been begotten by God. In this way we distinguish the children of God from the children of the devil: anybody not living a holy life and not loving his brother is no child of God’s.”
 

savagewind

Veteran Member
Premium Member
There is no perfect man, but God who dwells in those who love him is perfect, and makes man be as he is.


(John 14: 23) “Anyone who loves me will keep my word and my Father will love him, and we shall come to him and make a home in him.”


Jesus told us to pray for God’s Will to be done on earth as it is in heaven.


My prayer is for God’s will to be my will forever. God’s Will is for us to live his Will, and God makes that possible for his people.


(1 John 3:9-10) “No one who has been begotten by God sins; because God’s seed remains inside him, he cannot sin when he has been begotten by God. In this way we distinguish the children of God from the children of the devil: anybody not living a holy life and not loving his brother is no child of God’s.”

But I think you have no brothers. It's just perfect you and perfect Jesus. I think we shall choose Jesus.

Listen to what the Spirit says to the congregations. That is the way to walk with Jesus. Listen and learn is what God's Word is about. You say it is about making a person perfect. But Kolibri says love is perfect and it is what we are to be perfect in. There are also works. Faith without works is dead. To be perfect like Jesus was is to do the works which Jesus did. Are you doing the works Jesus did? Tell us what miracles you have accomplished.

A perfect person like Jesus was can do miracles. To be perfect like The Bible says we must be is to love unconditionally and with no partiality.
 

Johnlove

Active Member
But I think you have no brothers. It's just perfect you and perfect Jesus. I think we shall choose Jesus.

Listen to what the Spirit says to the congregations. That is the way to walk with Jesus. Listen and learn is what God's Word is about. You say it is about making a person perfect. But Kolibri says love is perfect and it is what we are to be perfect in. There are also works. Faith without works is dead. To be perfect like Jesus was is to do the works which Jesus did. Are you doing the works Jesus did? Tell us what miracles you have accomplished.

A perfect person like Jesus was can do miracles. To be perfect like The Bible says we must be is to love unconditionally and with no partiality.
To live/walk as Jesus walked/lived is to always obey God’s Will.


Jesus told us what one has to do to come with him to heaven.

(Matthew 7:21-23) “It is not those who say to me, ‘Lord, Lord’, who will enter the kingdom of Heaven but the person who does the will of My Father in Heaven. When the day comes many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, cast out demons in your name, work many miracles in your name?’ Then I shall tell them to their faces: I have never known you; away from me, you evil men!”


The will of the Father in heaven is to listen to his son.


Jesus told us how important it is to not ever sin.


(Matthew 5:29-30) “If your right eye should be your downfall, tear it out and throw it away; for it will do you less harm to lose one part of yourself than to have your whole body thrown into hell. And if your right hand should be your downfall, cut it off and throw it away; for it will do you less harm to lose one part of yourself than to have your whole body go to hell.”
 

savagewind

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Tell us why it isn't God's will to feed all the starving children. Bring world peace? Cure death causing disease? According to you no one is doing God's will.
 

Johnlove

Active Member
Tell us why it isn't God's will to feed all the starving children. Bring world peace? Cure death causing disease? According to you no one is doing God's will.
Jesus told me many years ago, and he told me this audibly, to stop trying to figure him out, and just follow him.


I don’t ask Jesus why, I just do as he tells me to do.


Know this though, we are at this time in the End Time Tribulation. The world is experiencing more suffering than ever before, and the suffering is going to become much worse.


Thirty-seven years ago Jesus told me a time was coming soon when man would suffer more than he has ever suffered.


Jesus told me that I was to give a word, and leave. He was telling me what sort of ministry he had for me.


Jesus then told me that out of the word he had for me to give, a community would grow. He wanted a place of safety for his people.
 

savagewind

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Jesus told me many years ago, and he told me this audibly, to stop trying to figure him out, and just follow him.


I don’t ask Jesus why, I just do as he tells me to do.


Know this though, we are at this time in the End Time Tribulation. The world is experiencing more suffering than ever before, and the suffering is going to become much worse.


Thirty-seven years ago Jesus told me a time was coming soon when man would suffer more than he has ever suffered.


Jesus told me that I was to give a word, and leave. He was telling me what sort of ministry he had for me.


Jesus then told me that out of the word he had for me to give, a community would grow. He wanted a place of safety for his people.
It is the Jehovah's Witness way exactly.
 

Johnlove

Active Member
It is the Jehovah's Witness way exactly.
Jesus is my Lord and God. Jesus is one with the Father, and Holy Spirit.

I am a Christian, a follower of Jesus Christ our Lord and God.


Jesus/Holy Spirit is making it possible for me to live/walk as Jesus walked/lived in obedience to God.
 

BilliardsBall

Veteran Member
You ask many questions and they can only be answered by God.


Jesus has shared some of what is to come with me, but even that he does not want me to share with you.


Know this there are only a few who live God’s Word, and those few will be God’s servants who will rule the next world.

Ah, but most spiritual and doctrine questions are answered by God's Word. Also there will many who will rule, not a few. "A great multitude" in Revelation alone.
 

Johnlove

Active Member
Ah, but most spiritual and doctrine questions are answered by God's Word. Also there will many who will rule, not a few. "A great multitude" in Revelation alone.
(Matthew 7:13-14) “Enter by the narrow gate since the road that leads to perdition is wide and spacious, and many take it; but it is a narrow gate and a hard road that leads to life, and only a few find it.”


Few is a relative term.
 
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