BilliardsBall
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How do you know it is a relative term?
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"The kingdom of God is within you"
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The English Dictionary tells me it is.
BilliardsBall
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And the Bible indicates that likely billions are saved.
Saved yes, but saved does not mean that one will go to heaven. It is only an assumption people have made that saved means everlasting life with God in heaven.
You can try to prove me wrong. See if scripture ever says saved means heaven.
Jesus told us who it is that would come with him to heaven.
(Matthew 7:21-23) “It is not those who say to me, ‘Lord, Lord’, who will enter the kingdom of Heaven but the person who does the will of My Father in Heaven. When the day comes many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, cast out demons in your name, work many miracles in your name?’ Then I shall tell them to their faces: I have never known you; away from me, you evil men!”
There are both a sealed group, and an unsealed group, in Revelation chapter 7
There are both a ' little flock '- Luke 12:32 - and ' other sheep '- John 10:16
The ' sheep ' of Matthew 25:31,32 are Not Jesus' brothers' of verse 40, they are little or smaller in number group.
Only those called to heaven are resurrected to heaven - Rev. 20:6; 5:9,10; 2:10
The majority of mankind - John 3:13 - will have a healthy physical resurrection back to life on earth. - Psalm 37:11,29; Proverbs 2:21,22
That includes all who died before Jesus died including people like King David - Acts 2:34 - and those of Hebrews chapter 11. Please see Hebrews 11:13 and 39 because they did Not see the fulfillment of the promise.
That ' promise ' is God's promise to father Abraham that all nations of ' earth ' will be blessed. Blessed with the healing and curing of earth's nations under Christ's millennium-long day of ruling over earth. Please notice the blessings Genesis 12:3; 22:18 and Rev. 22:2
That is also why Acts 24:15 uses the ' future tense ' saying there ' will be ' a resurrection......
As any government, the Kingdom of God, has less people ruling than those governed who are a larger or majority multitude number.
Those who are part of the first or earlier resurrection have two (2) jobs to do: Rev. 5:9,10
They serve mankind living on earth as kings or rulers taking care of governmental responsibilities of people living on earth.
They serve mankind living on earth as priests taking care of spiritual duties and the spiritual needs of people living on earth.
Those ruling with Christ for a thousand years over earth, or over earthly subjects of God's kingdom - Psalm 72:8 - are the ' sealed ' or the ' little ' group, whereas, the ' unsealed ' - Rev. 7:9,10 - are the larger great-multitude number. The smaller sealed ones will govern with righteousness over the majority living on earth as Jesus promised when Jesus referred to Psalm 37:11,29
We are nearing the coming ' time of separation ' of Matthew 25:31,32.
The humble ' sheep' on earth are few in comparison to the many haughty ' goats '. The haughty goats have placed themselves on the broad road leading to destruction. They won't heed the command to repent or perish (be destroyed ) as mentioned at 2nd Peter 3:9
Jesus likened our day to the days of Noah at Matthew 24:37. Only a few survived the end of that wicked world.
So, although it will be many more than 8 people surviving the end of all badness on earth, still the majority of mankind will Not repent before Jesus takes the action of Isaiah 11:3,4; Revelation 19:11,15; 11:18 B to rid the earth of wickedness. - Psalm 92:7
We are very close to the end. Close meaning?
We are in the End Time Tribulations, but it can last for?
Jesus told me thirty-six years ago that man would soon suffer more than he has ever suffered. It is just truly starting now.
BilliardsBall
Veteran Member
Acts 16, "Sirs, what must I do to be saved?"
(Acts 16:30-32) “And escorted them out, saying, 'Sirs, what must I do to be saved?' They told him, 'Become a believer in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, and your household too. Then they preached the word of the Lord to him and to all his household.”
Yes but did Paul say what saved meant? The man did not ask what he need to do to enter the kingdom of heaven.
Paul told him what one needs to do to be saved, and not anything else.
Jesus told us in scripture, and if people will listen to him, Jesus will tell them what is needed for him to take them with him to Heaven.
(Matthew 7:21-23) “It is not those who say to me, ‘Lord, Lord’, who will enter the kingdom of Heaven but the person who does the will of My Father in Heaven. When the day comes many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, cast out demons in your name, work many miracles in your name?’ Then I shall tell them to their faces: I have never known you; away from me, you evil men!”
Besides what does ' saved ' mean, Paul said become a believer. The people of Acts 17:11 became believers by searching or researching the Scriptures daily to see if what they were learning were really found in the Scriptures. - see Acts 8 vs 30-35
Besides those who have a first or earlier resurrection saved to go to heaven - Rev. 20:6; 5:9,10;2:10 - the majority of mankind - John 3:13; Acts 2:34 - are to be saved to be part of the humble meek who will inherit the earth - Psalm 37:11,29; Proverbs 2:21,22
That salvation ( rescue / deliverance ) starts at the soon coming ' time of separation ' of Matthew 25:31,32 when the humble sheep-like people on earth can remain alive on earth, and keep right on living on earth, right into the start of Jesus' coming 1000-year kingdom rule over earth. -Psalm 72:8,12-14
We are close to the end of this world of badness on earth - Matthew 24:13,14 - before Jesus ushers in global Peace on Earth.
We are close to the coming ' time of separation ' on earth of Matthew 25:31,32
The ' tribulation ' of Noah's day and Sodom and Gomorrah came: hard and swift.
Since Jesus connected our day to Noah's day - Matthew 24:37, then the great tribulation of Rev. 7:14 will also be hard and also swift.
As a precursor to the coming ' great tribulation' 1st Thess. 5:2,3 gives us a ' final signal ' so to speak, that when ' they ' (the powers that be) will be saying, " Peace and Security " then sudden destruction will come. Sudden destruction of the wicked - Psalm 92:7 - destruction by the words from Jesus' mouth being as a sharp two-edged executioner's sword - Isaiah 11:3,4; Rev. 19:11,15
If after reading what you wrote, and if you were saying that to me in person, I would share what God has shown me.
I know from God that we are in the End Time Tribulations. How long this time will be is not anything that is given to me.
The Children of God will rule for the thousand years.
Who the Children of God will rule has not been fully given to me.
To be a Child of God one need to live God’s Word. To live God’s Word one has to have the Holy Spirit.
Then one need to obey what the Holy Spirit tells
I know from God that we are in the End Time Tribulations. How long this time will be is not anything that is given to me.
The Children of God will rule for the thousand years.
Who the Children of God will rule has not been fully given to me.
To be a Child of God one need to live God’s Word. To live God’s Word one has to have the Holy Spirit.
Then one need to obey what the Holy Spirit tells
The ' children ' of God according to Scripture are God's earthly sons, the joint-heirs with Christ for a thousand years - Romans 8:17
Those sons are the spiritual ' brothers ' of Christ of Matthew 25:40 who reign with Christ in heaven during his millennium-long day of ruling over earth - Rev. 20:6; 5 vs 9,10
Whereas the humble ' sheep'-like people of Matthew 25 vs 31,32 are part of the meek who will inherit the earth - Psalm 37 vs 11,29
Jesus said those who do the will of God are his brothers and sisters. Brothers and sisters are children of someone. Surely God expects everyone to do God's will on the Earth as Man is in God's image. So "the joint-heirs of Christ" are not God's only earthly children. OK?
Sand Dancer
Currently catless
God is in everything and we, as humans, have the capacity to bring about what Jesus talked about in the Bible. Heaven is not necessarily a place to live for eternity, it can be that right here, right now.
Yes Jesus told us that if we prove we love him by living his Word he would make a home in those the love him.
Not only that but one will know he or she is a home of God’s, because he would show himself to those who love him.
(John 14: 23) “Anyone who loves me will keep my word and my Father will love him, and we shall come to him and make a home in him.”
(John 14:21) “Anybody who receives my commandments and keeps them will be one who loves me; and anybody who loves me will be loved by My Father, and I shall love him and show myself to him.”
God’s home is the kingdom of God.
BilliardsBall
Veteran Member
Okay. What does "saved" mean and why is it something different than "going to Heaven"? Are you saying those in Acts were saved but could lose their salvation?
I am saying that saved does not mean one will go to heaven.
Jesus told us who it is that would come to heaven with him, and it was not those who sin.
(Matthew 7:21-23) “It is not those who say to me, ‘Lord, Lord’, who will enter the kingdom of Heaven but the person who does the will of My Father in Heaven. When the day comes many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, cast out demons in your name, work many miracles in your name?’ Then I shall tell them to their faces: I have never known you; away from me, you evil men!”
Personally I believe saved only means one will not go to hell. So I believe that there is another place where those who chose not to live all of God’s Words will go. A place of different degrees of punishment.
(John 12:47-48) “If anyone hears my words and does not keep them faithfully, it is not I who shall condemn him, since I have come not to condemn the world, but to save the world: he who rejects me and refuses my words has his judge already: the word itself that I have spoken will be his judge on the last day.”
I believe those who the words that Jesus gave us will be their Judge will never enter Heaven, but will spend eternity in a place other than hell.
(Hebrews 10:26-31) “If, after we have been given knowledge of the truth, we should deliberately commit any sins, then there is no longer any sacrifice for them. There is left only the dreadful prospect of judgment and of the fiery wrath that is to devour your enemies. -------------“
I believe the above scripture tells of the place where people who do not keep God’s Word will go.
Kolibri
Well-Known Member
Matthew 5:3 and Matthew 5:5 show that there are 2 different hopes for those that remain saved. "the Kingdom of the heavens" and "the earth."
Why do so many people forget that the earth was meant to be a paradise and that God's purpose always comes true? (Ge 1:28; Isa 55:10,11)