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The Law Is Often Not About Preventing Crime, But Rather Just Punishing People

flowerpower

Member
The "land of the free" has more people in prison
than any other country.

Per capita?

I've always known mass incarceration has been a longstanding uniquely USA problem but it is really #1?

Bummer.

I guess a country can tout itself as "the land of the free" as long as an asterisk is placed on the end of it denoting that - "you're free to do what you want as long as we can lock you up in prison for it".

Like North Korea and the USSR were arguably slave states (China too) where everyone was/is imprisoned by the regime regardless of whether they're actually locked up or not - but probably had technically less incarceration?

(Now I might be starting to talk out of my ***)
 

Laniakea

Not of this world
That's unfair to butts.

BTW, under RF rules we may not
disguise a word that's prohibited.
Best to find an alternative.
Although I understand that your
statement is a standard pithy quote.
I agree with it.
It is especially so when evil people
exploit ambiguities & errors for the
purpose of abusing people, & causing
woe.

But dude! Your signature line.....
 

JIMMY12345

Active Member
Woman has spontaneous miscarriage after hospital
denies her services while they evaluate legal liability.
State is considering prosecuting her for "abusing
a corpse".
In the news....

**** government.
Not true.If you are rich and can afford a good lawyer you have nothing to worry about .If your poor and have a lousy lawyer start packing for jail.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member

setarcos

The hopeful or the hopeless?
Woman has spontaneous miscarriage after hospital
denies her services while they evaluate legal liability.
State is considering prosecuting her for "abusing
a corpse".
In the news....

**** government.
When you type **** government are you saying **** the particular people who are spoiling government or are you saying people in general don't need governing?
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
When you type **** government are you saying **** the particular people who are spoiling government or are you saying people in general don't need governing?
In general, **** our particular government.
Government is needed, just one much better than we have.
 

setarcos

The hopeful or the hopeless?
Yuhuh.

I always say that if the genders were flipped and woman occupied the political sphere as much as men do currently, abortion wouldn't even be considered to be a political issue at all. Not even up for debate.

It'd just be presumed to be a self-evident human right.
I don't know about that...if you check the numbers women account for 28% of congress. According to pew that's a 59% increase from just a decade ago.
Now ask yourself...is our government in general getting better or worse from just a decade ago? In nearly every demographic women have increased their influential numbers in these last few decades. Yet one is hard pressed to find any kind of "influential progress" in the humanities that we should be seeing if all's we needed were more females leading the way.
I think gender is the wrong thing to focus on for our saving grace.
 

setarcos

The hopeful or the hopeless?
In general, **** our particular government.
Government is needed, just one much better than we have.
And who would "man" that government? And what kind of government would that be that could be successfully productive in consideration of humanities faulty nature?
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
And who would "man" that government? And what kind of government would that be that could be successfully productive in consideration of humanities faulty nature?
This isn't something that is to be solved.
It is what it is.
Thus...
**** government.
 

siti

Well-Known Member
Regarding the death penalty, efficacy
is discouragement of others from
committing the same crime.
Oh I see! Well we definitely don't want people to be murdered twice. And I can see how the death penalty for the person who murdered them the first time wouldn't prevent that...maybe the death penalty should be executed BEFORE the crime...I'm sure that would work.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Oh I see! Well we definitely don't want people to be murdered twice. And I can see how the death penalty for the person who murdered them the first time wouldn't prevent that...maybe the death penalty should be executed BEFORE the crime...I'm sure that would work.
Well that was clear as mud.
 

siti

Well-Known Member
Well that was clear as mud.
Probably just as well!

For the record, I do agree that the death penalty is inefficacious as a deterrent.

In this case, the law being applied seems to be specifically designed to assuage public "outrage" rather than discourage criminality - although I'm struggling to imagine what public outrage could genuinely result from this poor woman's actions - save the anger I might feel at the waste of time, effort and money involved in prosecuting such a case, but I'm far, far away from Ohio so that's probably none of my business.

In any case, I guess the question is, should laws be used for the purpose of assuaging public outrage? And if so, where do you draw the line between genuine and reasonable public outrage (such as might result if somebody did deliberately and publicly mutilate a real human corpse) and offending a few people's sensitivities?

How do you measure outrage?

The law in question here apparently distinguishes between <<treatment of “a human corpse in a way that the person knows would outrage” either “reasonable family sensibilities,” resulting in a misdemeanor, or “community sensibilities,” resulting in a felony charge.>>

So its not really the gravity of the act, but rather what you "know" would be the "reasonable" response of either a "family" or your "community".

So not only do they have to measure outrage, but they also have to somehow quantify "reasonable" sensibilities and then show that the defendant "knew" the "measure" of outrage and family and community sensibilities...I doubt she could have been aware of any of that sitting in the bathroom having a spontaneous miscarriage.

As someone already remarked, the law is an an animal of the horse family, which is typically smaller than a horse and has longer ears and a braying call.
 

McBell

Unbound
Clever.
Regarding the death penalty, efficacy
is discouragement of others from
committing the same crime.
Evidence of that is lacking.
Except those who cross state lines into states who do not have death penalty for the crime they commit....
 
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