The Law Is Often Not About Preventing Crime, But Rather Just Punishing People

[Laniakea]

Shoplifting is still a crime outside of San Francisco.
But criminals are learning that cops don't protect
people or property. Protection is the responsibility
of the individual & business.
And a tricky business that is too.

if a business tried to protect their property from shoplifters, they get sued, or fired if they're an employee of that business. Or in the case of people protecting other people, such as in a New York subway, you get taken to court if the person happens to die of their own drug overdose.

 

[Revoltingest]

if a business tried to protect their property from shoplifters, they get sued, or fired if they're an employee of that business. Or in the case of people protecting other people, such as in a New York subway, you get taken to court if the person happens to die of their own drug overdose.

As I said, it's tricky.

 

[Laniakea]

What do "reparations" have to do with shoplifting, exactly?

It's almost always black people who get away with it. It's the white-man's way of "giving back" to the so-called "oppressed".

 

[Shadow Wolf]

There is no such thing as a "left libertarian".
There is only "libertairan", which is about
both social and economic liberty.
Lose the latter, & you've also lost the former.

Free markets as well have had severe and inhumane exploitation. It hasn't gaurded, protected or continued existence of any rights save for the ones relating to the free market economy. We also see examples throughout history where market based economies didn't exist but we see varying levels of freedoms happening in different groups, such as women living in territory ruled by Ghenghis Khan, or the Ottoman Empire allowing Christians and Jews to practice their respective religions within Ottoman territory.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

It's almost always black people who get away with it. It's the white-man's way of "giving back" to the so-called "oppressed".

I don't think anyone but loonies who generally aren't taken seriously see it that way.

 

[SkepticThinker]

It's almost always black people who get away with it. It's the white-man's way of "giving back" to the so-called "oppressed".

Ick. That's where I thought you were going with it, but wanted to give you the benefit of the doubt first.
Eesh.

 

[Revoltingest]

Free markets as well have had severe and inhumane exploitation.

Here we go again....you socialists always miss the point.
Economic liberty is no guarantee of social liberty.
But it is a necessary condition.

 

[Laniakea]

I don't think anyone but loonies who generally aren't taken seriously see it that way.

Activist blasts California board's claim that reparations for Black Americans would halt crime: 'A bad idea'

Equal opportunity activist Ward Connerly ripped a California board's claims that offering reparations for descendants of slavery would help curb crime.

www.foxnews.com

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Activist blasts California board's claim that reparations for Black Americans would halt crime: 'A bad idea'

Equal opportunity activist Ward Connerly ripped a California board's claims that offering reparations for descendants of slavery would help curb crime.

www.foxnews.com

Soooo.....a few loonies?

 

[Laniakea]

Ick. That's where I thought you were going with it, but wanted to give you the benefit of the doubt first.
Eesh.

See for yourself:

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Here we go again....you socialists always miss the point.
Economic liberty is no guarantee of social liberty.
But it is a necessary condition.

There isn't any real causation there though, like how America basically carried on in Rome's steps of freedom for citizens (who generally came from specific groups) and far less and worse for everyone else.

 

[SkepticThinker]

See for yourself:

Sorry I don't entertain racist discussions.

 

[Laniakea]

Sorry I don't entertain racist discussions.

Videos showing black people committing crimes is usually considered racist, but at least it's evidence of what they're doing. You DO want evidence, right? At least, that's what most debaters claim to want.

Ok, I'll throw you a bone: Let's pretend blacks aren't committing crimes that we have videos of them committing. Let's pretend that any camera that records a black person committing a crime is a racist camera. We'll also have to assume that ABC News is also racist for showing the video on their broadcast.
I think it's more racist to ignore documented crimes committed by black people simply because we're afraid somebody might call us a racist.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Videos showing black people committing crimes is usually considered racist, but at least it's evidence of what they're doing. You DO want evidence, right? At least, that's what most debaters claim to want.

Ok, I'll throw you a bone: Let's pretend blacks aren't committing crimes that we have videos of them committing. Let's pretend that any camera that records a black person committing a crime is a racist camera. We'll also have to assume that ABC News is also racist for showing the video on their broadcast.
I think it's more racist to ignore documented crimes committed by black people simply because we're afraid somebody might call us a racist.

It's your view of the whole thing that I find racist.
Posting a video of people of varying skin tones breaking into a business doesn't demonstrate that black people are shoplifters, by nature and/or that they're more likely than other people with different skin tones to get away with shop lifting.

 

[Revoltingest]

There isn't any real causation there though.....

Oh, there is a cause for economic authoritarianism
leading to total authoritarianism. (I've given it.)
Nonetheless, social liberty has historically only
happened when economic liberty is there.

 

[Laniakea]

It's your view of the whole thing that I find racist.
Posting a video of people of varying skin tones breaking into a business doesn't demonstrate that black people are shoplifters, by nature and/or that they're more likely than other people with different skin tones to get away with shop lifting.

But it does show that they are actually doing it, whether you want to admit that or not.

 

[Revoltingest]

It's your view of the whole thing that I find racist.
Posting a video of people of varying skin tones breaking into a business doesn't demonstrate that black people are shoplifters, by nature and/or that they're more likely than other people with different skin tones to get away with shop lifting.

I've watched many such videos.
It is indeed true that blacks are over-represented
in these smash & grabs. But we must be cautious
about what meaning we glean from this.
Note also that it appears to be more about age
(ie, the young) than race. This would be something
more addressable by better public policies.

 

[setarcos]

In short....
**** government.

In short I'd say we **** ourselves. WE the people suck and because we refuse to blame ourselves and attempt to shape up as a people we will continue to have people that suck in government. And we will continue to blame that government for the failures of the people that suck in government. Round and round we go.

 

[Audie]

Ick. That's where I thought you were going with it, but wanted to give you the benefit of the doubt first.
Eesh.

But is it true or false

 

[Revoltingest]

In short I'd say we **** ourselves. WE the people suck and because we refuse to blame ourselves and attempt to shape up as a people we will continue to have people that suck in government. And we will continue to blame that government for the failures of the people that suck in government. Round and round we go.

People have severe shortcomings.
But the resulting government is the thing that ***** us over.