The Law Is Often Not About Preventing Crime, But Rather Just Punishing People

[Laniakea]

If you mean arresting all the perps,
that would include races other than
black. So why does it matter that
most are black?

So what if it included other races? The majority would still be black. But you refer to that as over representation. Does it bother you that if blacks are the majority of perpetrators, they would also be the majority of those arrested?

 

[Revoltingest]

So what if....

I stopped reading there.
You appear uninterested in actually discussing the issues.

 

[Laniakea]

I stopped reading there.
You appear uninterested in actually discussing the issues.

I was attempting to discuss your issue of blacks being "overrepresented" when they are shown committing crimes. You don't appear interested in actually answering any questions, even though I've answered all of yours.

 

[Revoltingest]

You don't appear interested....

Bingo!

 

[Laniakea]

Bingo!

Your repeated posting seemed to indicate otherwise.

 

[Revoltingest]

Your repeated posting seemed to indicate otherwise.

I tried until it appeared doomed to be fruitless.

 

[Laniakea]

I tried until it appeared doomed to be fruitless.

Answering simple questions is hard, isn't it? (Especially when you don't have the answers)

 

[ImmortalFlame]

So what if it included other races? The majority would still be black. But you refer to that as over representation. Does it bother you that if blacks are the majority of perpetrators, they would also be the majority of those arrested?

The key question is this: Why do you think that is?

 

[PureX]

The older I get the more I can see that humans are mostly all about control. We want to be in control of our own destinies and well-being because we know we are not. And the more intently we want this the more likely we are to harm each other trying to get it. Which is why when one of us does harm to another of us the response is to punish them for it. Because we see punishment as a means of taking back the control they took from us. We call it justice, but in actual fact there isn't really any true justice in this world. Once the harm is done, it's done. And we have no time machine that can take us back to undo it. All that's left is to try and mitigate it. Which punishment does not do.

The only way we humans are going to survive our obsession with control is to unite and focus on exerting our control en masse for the benefit of us all. But that will mean sacrificing some degree of selfishness, and therefor some self-centered control (though in the end it will give is more control than it costs). Unfortunately our culture has been running in the opposite direction from this solution with capitalism and consumerism and the adage that selfishness equals freedom, while unity equals oppression. But if we don't somehow find a way to break the fever-storm of selfishness and the subsequent man-to-man battle for as much control as possible it IS going to destroy us all. It's doing it already and the signs and the suffering are everywhere. And are getting worse. But instead of seeing them, and caring, we're just happy that it's someone else suffering, and not us. We blame them for their fate so we can imagine that we are still in control of our own destinies.

 

[SkepticThinker]

But it does show that they are actually doing it, whether you want to admit that or not.

No, it doesn't. What is shows is a group of people of varying skin tones and ethnicities. As I just pointed out.
How do you think that video shows that black people are more prone to shop lifting than others? And how do you imagine that's not a racist statement?

 

[SkepticThinker]

I'm thinking racism, particularly against blacks, has become self perpetuating. From what I've witnessed in rallies, videos, the news and other media there seems to be as many if not more white people directly fighting for black rights and equality than there is blacks. Yet quite often blacks seem to seek to want to vilify and alienate those very same whites that are fighting for them. The black majority "seems" to be fighting -not for equality - but for superiority and revenge. They "seem" to be seeking the same status they are claiming to fight against.
Its getting real hard to continue to be an ally when what I see from them is a constant ignoring or exploitation of the facts.

I don't see that.

For instance...whites didn't "invent" slavery. There is an argument to be made that historical evidence shows that persons of the "darker" tones of skin color were the first slave owners, not whites. There is currently active slavery being practiced by certain black societies in Africa. Not to mention whites didn't just pop over to Africa and start kidnapping blacks. They often made deals with the blacks who were there and were willing to sell their own into slavery. And the terrible, terrible conditions those slaves were subject to on the boat rides over which caused many of their deaths is absolutely abhorrent its true but what is never mentioned is that the slave traders themselves often suffered more casualties than the slaves.
Racism has become more of an excuse for bad behavior rather than a righteous call for equality.

Who ever claimed that "whites" invented slavery? People of any colour can be racist, of course. The Bible has a whole section condoning its practice.

But white people in America did absolutely perpetuate slavery, and the view that black people aren't complete human beings, for a couple of centuries, at least. They bought and sold human beings as property, in a systematic way.

I don't care if the "slave traders themselves often suffered more casualties than slaves" (assuming that's true in the first place). They deserve it!
**** them!

 

[SkepticThinker]

Can you point out any examples? Because I can point out plenty where materialism and Islamism along with Communism, socialism and Marxism have cost millions of lives, and have caused the collapse of nations.

White Supremacist Links to Law Enforcement Are an Urgent Concern

I was an FBI agent who infiltrated white supremacists. Too many local police don’t take the far right seriously — or they actively sympathize with them.

www.brennancenter.org

‘We Are Being Eaten From Within.’ Why America Is Losing the Battle Against White Nationalist Terrorism

From 2009 to 2018, the far right has been responsible for 76% of extremist-related fatalities in the U.S.

time.com

Unredacted FBI Document Sheds New Light on White Supremacist Infiltration of Law Enforcement

A 2006 intelligence assessment reveals that the FBI had concerns about the infiltration of police departments for years but failed to warn the public.

theintercept.com

White nationalism, fueled by social media, is on the rise and attracting violent young white men

White nationalists keep showing up in the hearings of the U.S. House committee investigating the Jan. 6, 2021, insurrection. Evidence is mounting that white nationalist groups who want to establish an all-white state played a significant role in the violent attack on the U.S. Capitol that left...

www.azmirror.com

Research Warns White Supremacists Are Building a Shadow Militia

Report by Counter Extremism Project points to rise in extremist training cells masquerading as fitness clubs in US, Canada, Europe

www.voanews.com

 

[setarcos]

You focus on blame.
I differ in that I look at causes of woe.

The unexamined self is often the causes of woe. Your blaming an institution which has no sentient agenda. We as a collective civilization ARE to blame for our woes. Our constitution was a step in the right direction. We began to step in the wrong direction when we began to abandon the concept of something greater than relativistic ethics and morality. Something which -while recognizing inequality among individual talents- never the less emphasized universal equal rights to standards of living.
People started looking out for themselves at the expense of their neighbors. We started rewarding bad behavior, even celebrating debauchery in our society. We've all became lazy in acting appropriately and expediently except when it comes to complaining about the governing body that is a reflection of the society that perverted it. Or those that do act, often base those actions on a perverse sense of right and wrong which only results in greater wrongs.
I'm sure there are still great "philosopher kings" out there trying to do right by the greater good who are worthy to lead but they're being shouted down, pushed out, and denied by the overwhelming tidal wave of ignorance and evil that society has cultivated for its own selfish reasonings.
We're doomed in my opinion but its not government that's done us in.....it's our own damned behavior.

 

[setarcos]

Christianity is currently assisting Israel committing
genocide. It's also the driving force behind Trump.

How so?

And opposing bodily autonomy. And opposing
gay marriage.

Bodily autonomy? Give me a break. Rarely if ever has anyone had total body autonomy in a civil society. If we did civil society would rapidly decay into chaos.
Opposition to gay marriage within Christianity is a reflection of the original meaning behind the institution of marriage as it was established by the church eons ago. That is, a union between a biological male and a biological female for the purposes of creating a complementary familiar union between the sexes. Gays don't fit that bill. Gays can't physically or psychologically complement each other in the way that a union between individuals of the opposite sex can. That's the simple truth. It may be offensive but it doesn't make it any less of a fact.
A person might get offended that they can't turn invisible or see through walls too but it won't change the facts.
Its a simple fact that by definition the Churches institution of marriage cannot include gays.
There are any number of other institutions whose symbolic rituals can include marrying gays. Why should gays have the right to change an eons old symbolic ritual to suit their desires? Why should they think that their marriage won't be meaningful unless Christianity gets on board?
While its true Christianity has had substantial influence upon our legal institutions it is no longer true that that legal institution hasn't accommodated gays immensely. Why should we expect the Christian church to have to bow to the ways of the world however?
Just as well have you bow to my will because I'm offended at your behavior. I'm sure your completely on board with that.

Christian Nationalism is a great danger amd threat to America.

First off, if you think Christian Nationalism is synonymous with Christianity then you don't know Christianity.
Second, what or who do you think is Christian Nationalism and how is it a great danger to America?

Yes, my list wasn't exhaustive.
Add to it the belief that the President
can have the military kill political foes.

I'm sure it wasn't. That list usually consists of parroted innuendo, anecdotal evidence or misrepresented truth to suit ones needs.
What does Christianity have to do with the president having the military kill political foes? And when has that happened?

That's not Christian, just good ole fashioned wicked tyranny.

Um....between you and revoltingest who's the monkey and whose the organ grinder here? You both seem to be feeding off each others negative auras.

While political assassination isn't fundamental
to the faith, they've embraced approval of it
because of Trump, whom they (many) believe
to have been chosen by God.

Who is they? What does this "they" have to do with Christianity? Your conflating two very different things so you can go on some political rant apparently.
I'm beginning to see your not very familiar with the religion itself. Only the behaviors of some of its claimed adherents.
This is typical. Cherry pick some fallen fruit and use that to condemn the whole tree.

And that one makes no sense. He literally said he's done nothing to seek Jehovah or Christ forgiveness.

Not much in this world does make sense except the fact that scripture says that things will continue to worsen with a quickening towards the end of days. History sure seems to be following right along that path.
Many will fall away, and the love for one another shall decay. White will be proven black and black white.
Many Christians will believe the path they are on will lead to eternal life but it will only end in death.
I personally believe there are very few true Christians in this world. Wide is the path to destruction but narrow the path to salvation.

That means he isn't a Christian and is as directly opposed to Christianity as those like me, someone who left the Church and became Luciferian and proclaimed myself sinless as you have to be a Christian in order to sin.

Whoever told you you had to be a Christian in order to sin? Perhaps I don't know how you mean "sin"? How are you using the term?

To be a Christian he need only believe
that Jesus is his Savior.

Only believe? That simple phrase carries quite a bit of connotation. One doesn't "only" believe. Ones true belief expresses itself in ones active path through this life. Belief dictates action. That action expresses ones belief.

This allows for any
morality, without him losing his religion.

You've completely misunderstood or misrepresented Christian belief here.
First of all....any morality would still be moral. Christianity embraces morality. So any morality Trump, if that's still who your talking about, practices would be a good thing. Why should the loss of his religion, if he is Christian, be in question because of that? Perhaps you meant it allows for any immorality without him losing his religion?
Gaining or losing ones Christianity is not a matter of signing or tearing up a contract. Its not a matter of being good or failing to be good. Its a matter of spiritual struggle and intent. We all fall short of perfection and consequently fail in our moral or ethical action from time to time. How we react to these failures is what's important.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

First off, if you think Christian Nationalism is synonymous with Christianity then you don't know Christianity.

I didn't say I do.

Second, what or who do you think is Christian Nationalism and how is it a great danger to America?

It's in the name. It's nationalism that is based on Christianity. Amd that is inherently tyrannical.

You both seem to be feeding off each others negative auras.

We don't have negative auros. We are both strongly opposed to corrupt and abusive authority.

Not much in this world does make sense except the fact that scripture says that things will continue to worsen with a quickening towards the end of days. History sure seems to be following right along that path.

That end of days thing has.never happened despite Christianits believing they will live to see it for about 2000 years now.

Whoever told you you had to be a Christian in order to sin? Perhaps I don't know how you mean "sin"? How are you using the term?

Sin is a Christian invention. You have to be a Christian for this dogma of sin to apply.

 

[Revoltingest]

How so?

Consider the over-whelming Christian majority in
government, their blind support for Israel's genocide
of Palestinians, & their Christian supporters'
anti-Palestinian pro-Zionist rhetoric that's couched
in religious terms. Note that this spans both sides
of the aisle, ie, so many liberals are illiberal regarding
the human rights of Muslims.

Bodily autonomy? Give me a break. Rarely if ever has anyone had total body autonomy in a civil society. If we did civil society would rapidly decay into chaos.

What do you mean by "total"
(a word I didn't use)?

Opposition to gay marriage within Christianity is a reflection of the original meaning behind the institution of marriage as it was established by the church eons ago. That is, a union between a biological male and a biological female for the purposes of creating a complementary familiar union between the sexes. Gays don't fit that bill. Gays can't physically or psychologically complement each other in the way that a union between individuals of the opposite sex can. That's the simple truth. It may be offensive but it doesn't make it any less of a fact.

This country is not a Christian theocracy.
Marriage existed before Christianity.
I'll skip the rest.

A person might get offended that they can't turn invisible or see through walls too but it won't change the facts.
Its a simple fact that by definition the Churches institution of marriage cannot include gays.
There are any number of other institutions whose symbolic rituals can include marrying gays. Why should gays have the right to change an eons old symbolic ritual to suit their desires? Why should they think that their marriage won't be meaningful unless Christianity gets on board?
While its true Christianity has had substantial influence upon our legal institutions it is no longer true that that legal institution hasn't accommodated gays immensely. Why should we expect the Christian church to have to bow to the ways of the world however?
Just as well have you bow to my will because I'm offended at your behavior. I'm sure your completely on board with that.

First off, if you think Christian Nationalism is synonymous with Christianity then you don't know Christianity.
Second, what or who do you think is Christian Nationalism and how is it a great danger to America?

I'm sure it wasn't. That list usually consists of parroted innuendo, anecdotal evidence or misrepresented truth to suit ones needs.
What does Christianity have to do with the president having the military kill political foes? And when has that happened?


Um....between you and revoltingest who's the monkey and whose the organ grinder here? You both seem to be feeding off each others negative auras.

Who is they? What does this "they" have to do with Christianity? Your conflating two very different things so you can go on some political rant apparently.
I'm beginning to see your not very familiar with the religion itself. Only the behaviors of some of its claimed adherents.
This is typical. Cherry pick some fallen fruit and use that to condemn the whole tree.

Not much in this world does make sense except the fact that scripture says that things will continue to worsen with a quickening towards the end of days. History sure seems to be following right along that path.
Many will fall away, and the love for one another shall decay. White will be proven black and black white.
Many Christians will believe the path they are on will lead to eternal life but it will only end in death.
I personally believe there are very few true Christians in this world. Wide is the path to destruction but narrow the path to salvation.

Whoever told you you had to be a Christian in order to sin? Perhaps I don't know how you mean "sin"? How are you using the term?

Only believe? That simple phrase carries quite a bit of connotation. One doesn't "only" believe. Ones true belief expresses itself in ones active path through this life. Belief dictates action. That action expresses ones belief.

You've completely misunderstood or misrepresented Christian belief here.
First of all....any morality would still be moral. Christianity embraces morality. So any morality Trump, if that's still who your talking about, practices would be a good thing. Why should the loss of his religion, if he is Christian, be in question because of that? Perhaps you meant it allows for any immorality without him losing his religion?
Gaining or losing ones Christianity is not a matter of signing or tearing up a contract. Its not a matter of being good or failing to be good. Its a matter of spiritual struggle and intent. We all fall short of perfection and consequently fail in our moral or ethical action from time to time. How we react to these failures is what's important.

 

[Laniakea]

No, it doesn't. What is shows is a group of people of varying skin tones and ethnicities. As I just pointed out.
How do you think that video shows that black people are more prone to shop lifting than others? And how do you imagine that's not a racist statement?

How many videos of blacks committing crimes do you need?

 

[SkepticThinker]

How many videos of blacks committing crimes do you need?

The first one wasn't what you are claiming, so ... yeah.


What I need is for you to answer my questions.

How do you think that video shows that black people are more prone to shop lifting than others? And how do you imagine that's not a racist statement?

What conclusions are you drawing from this and why?

 

[Laniakea]

The first one wasn't what you are claiming, so ... yeah.


What I need is for you to answer my questions.

How do you think that video shows that black people are more prone to shop lifting than others? And how do you imagine that's not a racist statement?

What conclusions are you drawing from this and why?

The evidence shows it, if you're willing to open your eyes. Smaller percentage of the population, yet a larger percentage of those committing crime.

 

[setarcos]

I didn't say I do.

Thanks why I said "IF" because that's what you implied. Its implied because our conversation -specifically between me and revoltingest- started out commenting on Christianity. You introduced the phrase Christian Nationalism.
Be that as it may if Christian Nationalism is a great threat to America, and I'm not saying your wrong, then that threat is more a commentary on the people who are behaving badly than it is on Christianity.

It's in the name. It's nationalism that is based on Christianity. Amd that is inherently tyrannical.

What do you think is wrong with nationalism? And how is it you think Christianity is tyrannical? Tyranny is bred with a wicked spirit. Tyranny is wicked because it cannot be justified. There are tyrannical Christians but Christianity isn't based in human tyranny. Reread the word's of Jesus. He gave us a choice and gave us the freedom to make that choice. "Follow me or don't". Its your choice. That's not tyranny. Those Christians who sought and or seek to force a person into being a Christian have and are failing to uphold what Jesus has taught.

We don't have negative auros. We are both strongly opposed to corrupt and abusive authority.

Okay. I'll take your word on that. Seems good things to be opposed to.

That end of days thing has.never happened despite Christianits believing they will live to see it for about 2000 years now.

I've tried to point this out a thousand times on here. Christians are human. Humans are fallible. Many Christians hope to live long enough to see the end of days and many Christians throughout the ages have believed they were going to see the end of days within their lifetimes. The former don't realize what they are hoping for...it will be horrible for most of them. Only a few will be spared having to pass through the tribulations. The latter are not listening to what the scriptures teach. No one knows the time. Not even the son but only the father and it has been compared to a thief coming in the night. All generations...not knowing the time should be ever prepared and/or preparing themselves.
But know this...every single individual will eventually have their own end of days. What we mean by Gods end of days is the eternal breaking of that cycle at the time of Gods choosing. There will be a time when the end of days is final for everyone.

Sin is a Christian invention.

No ma'am. I don't think that's quite right. There's an etymology behind the word. We all sin. If Christianity never existed we could all still be said to sin at times. The explanation of why we sin has a particular connotation developed within Judeo/Christian world view. But all major religions and even secular philosophies use a version of the word with their own particular associated connotations.
If we look at the words etymology ;
"From Middle English sinne, synne, sunne, zen, from Old English synn ("sin"), from Proto-West Germanic *sunnju, from Proto-Germanic *sunjō ('truth', 'excuse') and *sundī, *sundijō ("sin"), from Proto-Indo-European *h₁s-ónt-ih₂, from *h₁sónts ("being, true", implying a verdict of "truly guilty" against an accusation or charge), from *h₁es- ("to be"); compare Old English sōþ ("true"; see sooth). Doublet of suttee."

in Hebrew "khata", meaning "to fail", in Greek sin was looked upon as, in essence, a failure on the part of a person to achieve his true self-expression and to preserve his due relation to the rest of the universe; it was attributed mainly to ignorance.

So we can see that to sin simply means to fail in one way or another or to be "truly guilty" as charged. Usually guilty of a failure of some sort.
Christianity didn't "invent" sin. However Christianity has given definition to what it believes we are guilty of failing at.

You have to be a Christian for this dogma of sin to apply.

Again, no ma'am. We all are guilty of failing at some things. That's the inevitable nature of being a human. Christian or not. What that failure means to you, how or if you think that failure will effect you, and whether or not you feel the need to "fix" that failure is something we must individually work out.
In that sense, scripture tells people to work out their own salvation.