Mountain_Climber
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Regal_Begal
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You devil, you!!!
What are you doing? Spying on me to make sure our conversations together are taking hold? LOL.
Mountain_Climber
Active Member
Typical JW beating me to the punch at asking that question!!!You devil, you!!!
What are you doing? Spying on me to make sure our conversations together are taking hold? LOL.
I was here first, remember? But then I guess you had no way to know my name on here was Mountain_Climber.
Regal_Begal
Member
Yes, I did know you were Mountain_Climber on here.Typical JW beating me to the punch at asking that question!!!
I was here first, remember? But then I guess you had no way to know my name on here was Mountain_Climber.
You told me once in our conversations and that is all it takes is once.
Mountain_Climber
Active Member
Well, welcome aboard. We like talking so much, we might just as well talk on here, too.Yes, I did know you were Mountain_Climber on here.
You told me once in our conversations and that is all it takes is once.
Did you see what I wrote about you in the Two Witnesses thread?
Regal_Begal
Member
No but I will go check it out.Well, welcome aboard. We like talking so much, we might just as well talk on here, too.
Did you see what I wrote about you in the Two Witnesses thread?
Mountain_Climber
Active Member
I thought you might like to see what I gained from our last face to face meeting together:
God has and is the source of all wisdom: Proverbs 3:19 “Jehovah by wisdom founded the earth; By understanding he established the heavens.”
Jeremiah 10:12 “He hath made the earth by his power, he hath established the world by his wisdom, and by his understanding hath he stretched out the heavens:”
Jeremiah 51:15 “He hath made the earth by his power, he hath established the world by his wisdom, and by his understanding hath he stretched out the heavens:”
Daniel 2:20-21 “Daniel answered and said, Blessed be the name of God for ever and ever; for wisdom and might are his. And he changeth the times and the seasons; he removeth kings, and setteth up kings; he giveth wisdom unto the wise, and knowledge to them that have understanding;”
Jesus was trained, molded and set as our king and our foundation by Jehovah: Isaiah 28:16, 29 “therefore thus saith the Lord Jehovah, Behold, I lay in Zion for a foundation a stone, a tried stone, a precious cornerstone of sure foundation: he that believeth shall not be in haste. ….. This also cometh forth from Jehovah of hosts, who is wonderful in counsel, and excellent in wisdom.” ……..
And thus: 1 Corinthians 1:24 “but unto them that are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.” …..
Plus: 1 Corinthians 1:30 “But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who was made unto us wisdom from God, and righteousness and sanctification, and redemption:” ….
And next we see: Colossians 2:1-3 “For I would have you know how greatly I strive for you, and for them at Laodicea, and for as many as have not seen my face in the flesh; that their hearts may be comforted, they being knit together in love, and unto all riches of the full assurance of understanding, that they may know the mystery of God, even Christ, in whom are all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge hidden.”…..
And finally we see: Revelation 5:12 “saying with a great voice, Worthy is the Lamb that hath been slain to receive the power, and riches, and wisdom, and might and honor, and glory, and blessing.”…..
Which Jesus gets from God his Father: Revelation 7:12 “saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honor, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen.”
The result: 1 Corinthians 2:6-7 “We speak wisdom, however, among them that are full grown: yet a wisdom not of this world, nor of the rulers of this world, who are coming to nought: but we speak God's wisdom in a mystery, even the wisdom that hath been hidden [in Christ, per Colossians 2:1-3], which God foreordained before the worlds unto our glory:”
Our gratitude expressed: Romans 16:24-27
24 “The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.
25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,
26 But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:
27 To God only wise, be glory through Jesus Christ for ever. Amen.”
I wanted to thank you, too, for helping me see that.
Ken Brown
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Shalom Everyone, a good follow up question from my last post would be, "Does Elohim reward the Righteous, and punish the Unrighteous?" There are many examples of Scriptures which give us a clear indication of what to expect from a Loving Elohim.
I started writing this yesterday and decided to give some more thought to the events that transpired in the shootings in Virginia. Such a distressing, horrific event. An evil act that repulses every heart that loves, and even hateful hearts. Every heart could only imagine the worst possible fate for the perpetrator of this evil, and even the perpetrator's own heart judged himself by taking his own life.
So what will a Loving Elohim do with this evil perpetrator? Didn't Yeshua say, "All manner of sin will be forgiven the sons of men?" So yes, this evil act will be forgiven by our Loving Elohim, even though our moral compass would sentence him to death, or give him 3000 years in prison as the Colorado shooter was just given (another just as horrific event).
So if our Loving Elohim is willing to forgive "all manner of sin," is there anything that would raise His moral compass to react as WE have reacted here? You better believe that there is. Yeshua added to "all manner of sin" that would be forgiven, an EXCLUSION that would not be forgiven in this age, or any age to come. That exclusion was The Sin or Blasphemy Against The Spirit (Matthew 12:31-32, Mark 3:28-29, Luke 12:10). Sinning against or blasphemy against the Spirit is where one who has been given evidence through or by the Power of the Spirit, and then one rejects or turns from that Truthful evidence, is what will not be forgiven (Hebrews 6:4-8, Hebrews 10:26-31, 1 John 5:16, & 2 Peter 2:20-22).
So what is the outcome for those who FULLY understand (through the Power of the Spirit), and then reject the Spirit's Blessing in "turning us from all iniquity" (Acts of the Apostles 3:26), thus denying the rule and authority of Messiah Yeshua over them, and becoming His ENEMY? Will a Loving Elohim REWARD them? You bet your britches, and this will be their reward:
Lk 19:26-27
26 For I say unto you, That unto every one which hath shall be given; and from him that hath not, even that he hath shall be taken away from him.
27 But those Mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay [them] before Me.
Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.
I started writing this yesterday and decided to give some more thought to the events that transpired in the shootings in Virginia. Such a distressing, horrific event. An evil act that repulses every heart that loves, and even hateful hearts. Every heart could only imagine the worst possible fate for the perpetrator of this evil, and even the perpetrator's own heart judged himself by taking his own life.
So what will a Loving Elohim do with this evil perpetrator? Didn't Yeshua say, "All manner of sin will be forgiven the sons of men?" So yes, this evil act will be forgiven by our Loving Elohim, even though our moral compass would sentence him to death, or give him 3000 years in prison as the Colorado shooter was just given (another just as horrific event).
So if our Loving Elohim is willing to forgive "all manner of sin," is there anything that would raise His moral compass to react as WE have reacted here? You better believe that there is. Yeshua added to "all manner of sin" that would be forgiven, an EXCLUSION that would not be forgiven in this age, or any age to come. That exclusion was The Sin or Blasphemy Against The Spirit (Matthew 12:31-32, Mark 3:28-29, Luke 12:10). Sinning against or blasphemy against the Spirit is where one who has been given evidence through or by the Power of the Spirit, and then one rejects or turns from that Truthful evidence, is what will not be forgiven (Hebrews 6:4-8, Hebrews 10:26-31, 1 John 5:16, & 2 Peter 2:20-22).
So what is the outcome for those who FULLY understand (through the Power of the Spirit), and then reject the Spirit's Blessing in "turning us from all iniquity" (Acts of the Apostles 3:26), thus denying the rule and authority of Messiah Yeshua over them, and becoming His ENEMY? Will a Loving Elohim REWARD them? You bet your britches, and this will be their reward:
Lk 19:26-27
26 For I say unto you, That unto every one which hath shall be given; and from him that hath not, even that he hath shall be taken away from him.
27 But those Mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay [them] before Me.
Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.
Regal_Begal
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Regal_Begal
Member
Immediately your post brings to mind John 3:18-19 and Luke 24:47.
And that is just a fraction of what all it brings to mind.
The man was already judged and the man was unrepentant at his death so where the tree fell, there it will lay.
This idea that all sins will be forgiven is coming into strength at the proper time for men to be emboldened to not care so deeply what they do as the climax of the world system meets it's everlasting destruction.
Ken Brown
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Shalom Regal_Begal, thank you for making a response. A truly horrific act from a disturbed individual, but do you really feel he is eternally judged, with no option for mercy? Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.
Regal_Begal
Member
Yes. Why? Because too much scripture is nullified by the opposite answer, beginning with the two I cited to you in that post.
I honestly see no reasonable way that anyone can so rationalize the scriptures as to get around that fact. The scriptures are very clear on the point that a great portion of mankind will be destroyed forever. Even the OT is very pointed about that, like in Psalms chapter 37.
And as it is so plain I have to believe it is God allowing such blindness so that he can finish his work, cutting it short.
Regal_Begal
Member
I have to head out and get to other business. So until later.
May God be with the spirit you show.
May God be with the spirit you show.
Ron Hackel
Member
Ken Brown
Jesus said every sin would be forgiven. If one is actually not forgiven by God, Jesus would be a liar. We have to then think this must be a sin that God has no power over. It is totally a sin in your own mind. Jesus said that the Spirit would convict the world in regard to sin. In regard to sin because people do not believe in me. As all of you, you refuse to believe in a God of unconditional love as the apostles described Jesus. It says the sin against the Spirit would not be forgiven in this age or the age to come. It is in the age to come that the gospel will go out to all that are raised from their graves. They then can reject the Spirit (sin) and refuse to believe in a God of love and run in fear from a God that is saving them from being destroyed as the world explodes.
I'll give a few verses that give you a sequence
LUKE 21 : 24 "Jerusalem will be trampled on until the time of the Gentiles are fulfilled."
The Romans destroyed the temple in 70 on the 1st of Av and came the following year on the 1st of Av and plowed the city and built a pagan temple.
Paul said like the Jews the Gentiles could be taken from the vine if they did as the Jews. They have. They worship the same pagan god the Jews did. In the parable of the tenant, Jesus said because the Jews didn't bear fruit the job would be given to others.
ZECHARIAH 11 : 10 "revoking the covenant I had made with all the nations" In the last days the covenant is taken from them.
PSALM 102 : 13 "You will arise and have compassion on Zion, for it is time to show favor to her: the appointed time has come."
PSALM 102 : 16 "For the Lord will rebuild Zion and appear in his glory."
ISAIAH 2 : 2 "In the last days the mountain of the Lord's temple will be established as chief among the mountains; it will be raised above the hills, and all nations will stream to it."
HEBREWS 12 : 26&27 "At that time his voice shook the earth, but now he has promised, 'Once more I will shake not only the earth but also o the heavens.' The words 'once more' indicate the removing of what can be shaken-that is, CREATED THINGS-so that what CANNOT BE SHAKEN may remain."
Everything in this world was created. Something not of this world is coming to rescue us from being destroyed with the world as it explodes.
HEBREWS 13 : 14 "For here we do not have an enduring city, but we are looking for the city that is to come."
PSALM 125 : 1 "Those who trust in the Lord are like Mount Zion, WHICH CANNOT BE SHAKEN but endures forever."
ZECHARIAH 2 : 5 "And I myself will be a wall of fire around it."
HEBREWS 12 : 29 "for our God is a devouring fire"
EXODUS 24 : 17 "To the Israelites the glory of the Lord looked like a devouring fire."
God's physical appearance resembles that of fire or as Paul described it unapproachable light.
ISAIAH 2 : 19 "Men will flee to caves in the rocks and to holes in the ground from dread of the Lord and the splendor of his majesty (God's glory which looks like a devouring fire), when he rises to shake the earth.
ISAIAH 43 : 2 "When you walk through the fire, you will not be burned."
PSALM 53 : 4&5 "Will evildoers never learn........There they were, overwhelmed with dread, WHERE THERE WAS NOTHING TO DREAD."
Those that don't come into the city (which looks like the description of what people think hell would be like) will actually die in the fire as Scripture says. The natural fire of the earth exploding. Scripture gives the description of the event
ISAIAH 33 : 10-16 "Now will I arise ,' says the Lord. 'Now I will be exalted; now I will be lifted up. You conceive chaff, you give birth to straw; your breath is a fire that consumes you (what you say is what is causing you to burn-your false idea of God). The people will be burned as if to lime; like cut thornbushes they will be set ablaze.' You who are far away, hear what I have done; you who are near acknowledge my power! The sinners in Zion are terrified; trembling grips the godless: 'Who of us can dwell with consuming fire? Who of us can dwell with everlasting burning? He who walks righteously and speaks what is right, who rejects gain from extortion and keeps his hand from accepting bribes, who stops his ears against plots of murder and shuts his eyes against evil-this is the man who will dwell on the heights, whose refuge will be the mountain fortress." The ones in the city are not burned.
JOHN 12 : 47 "As for the person who hears my words but does not keep them, I do not judge him."
If you don't believe this:
JOHN 12 : 48 "There is a judge for the one who rejects me and does not accept my words; that very word which I spoke will condemn him on the last day."
Jesus said he was the Son of God and the apostles said he was agape love-unconditional love. Believe in a judgmental God and you'll run in fear from what you think hell is. Since no religion preaches you'll be on earth on the last day having to make a decision you'll probably think you're one of the lost. You can't blame anyone from running from a wall of fire 1500 miles long and high
Jesus said every sin would be forgiven. If one is actually not forgiven by God, Jesus would be a liar. We have to then think this must be a sin that God has no power over. It is totally a sin in your own mind. Jesus said that the Spirit would convict the world in regard to sin. In regard to sin because people do not believe in me. As all of you, you refuse to believe in a God of unconditional love as the apostles described Jesus. It says the sin against the Spirit would not be forgiven in this age or the age to come. It is in the age to come that the gospel will go out to all that are raised from their graves. They then can reject the Spirit (sin) and refuse to believe in a God of love and run in fear from a God that is saving them from being destroyed as the world explodes.
I'll give a few verses that give you a sequence
LUKE 21 : 24 "Jerusalem will be trampled on until the time of the Gentiles are fulfilled."
The Romans destroyed the temple in 70 on the 1st of Av and came the following year on the 1st of Av and plowed the city and built a pagan temple.
Paul said like the Jews the Gentiles could be taken from the vine if they did as the Jews. They have. They worship the same pagan god the Jews did. In the parable of the tenant, Jesus said because the Jews didn't bear fruit the job would be given to others.
ZECHARIAH 11 : 10 "revoking the covenant I had made with all the nations" In the last days the covenant is taken from them.
PSALM 102 : 13 "You will arise and have compassion on Zion, for it is time to show favor to her: the appointed time has come."
PSALM 102 : 16 "For the Lord will rebuild Zion and appear in his glory."
ISAIAH 2 : 2 "In the last days the mountain of the Lord's temple will be established as chief among the mountains; it will be raised above the hills, and all nations will stream to it."
HEBREWS 12 : 26&27 "At that time his voice shook the earth, but now he has promised, 'Once more I will shake not only the earth but also o the heavens.' The words 'once more' indicate the removing of what can be shaken-that is, CREATED THINGS-so that what CANNOT BE SHAKEN may remain."
Everything in this world was created. Something not of this world is coming to rescue us from being destroyed with the world as it explodes.
HEBREWS 13 : 14 "For here we do not have an enduring city, but we are looking for the city that is to come."
PSALM 125 : 1 "Those who trust in the Lord are like Mount Zion, WHICH CANNOT BE SHAKEN but endures forever."
ZECHARIAH 2 : 5 "And I myself will be a wall of fire around it."
HEBREWS 12 : 29 "for our God is a devouring fire"
EXODUS 24 : 17 "To the Israelites the glory of the Lord looked like a devouring fire."
God's physical appearance resembles that of fire or as Paul described it unapproachable light.
ISAIAH 2 : 19 "Men will flee to caves in the rocks and to holes in the ground from dread of the Lord and the splendor of his majesty (God's glory which looks like a devouring fire), when he rises to shake the earth.
ISAIAH 43 : 2 "When you walk through the fire, you will not be burned."
PSALM 53 : 4&5 "Will evildoers never learn........There they were, overwhelmed with dread, WHERE THERE WAS NOTHING TO DREAD."
Those that don't come into the city (which looks like the description of what people think hell would be like) will actually die in the fire as Scripture says. The natural fire of the earth exploding. Scripture gives the description of the event
ISAIAH 33 : 10-16 "Now will I arise ,' says the Lord. 'Now I will be exalted; now I will be lifted up. You conceive chaff, you give birth to straw; your breath is a fire that consumes you (what you say is what is causing you to burn-your false idea of God). The people will be burned as if to lime; like cut thornbushes they will be set ablaze.' You who are far away, hear what I have done; you who are near acknowledge my power! The sinners in Zion are terrified; trembling grips the godless: 'Who of us can dwell with consuming fire? Who of us can dwell with everlasting burning? He who walks righteously and speaks what is right, who rejects gain from extortion and keeps his hand from accepting bribes, who stops his ears against plots of murder and shuts his eyes against evil-this is the man who will dwell on the heights, whose refuge will be the mountain fortress." The ones in the city are not burned.
JOHN 12 : 47 "As for the person who hears my words but does not keep them, I do not judge him."
If you don't believe this:
JOHN 12 : 48 "There is a judge for the one who rejects me and does not accept my words; that very word which I spoke will condemn him on the last day."
Jesus said he was the Son of God and the apostles said he was agape love-unconditional love. Believe in a judgmental God and you'll run in fear from what you think hell is. Since no religion preaches you'll be on earth on the last day having to make a decision you'll probably think you're one of the lost. You can't blame anyone from running from a wall of fire 1500 miles long and high
Regal_Begal
Member
I will take just a moment out of my schedule to add but a little more to what I told you in my posts 530 and 532:
What does it take to be resurrected?
First it requires that ones blood cries out from the ground to God for that resurrection: Genesis 4:10 “And he said, What hast thou done? the voice of thy brother's blood crieth unto me from the ground.”
What is required for one’s blood before it will cry out to God for a resurrection?
It requires that God has found that blood to have been righteous: Matthew 23:35 “That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.”
It requires that God found faith so that he could declare that blood righteous: Hebrews 11:4 “By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh.”
Is that what Job believed?
Job shows us what is the the hope of the wicked man: Job 21: 7-32
7 “Wherefore do the wicked live, become old, yea, are mighty in power?
8-12 ............
13 They spend their days in wealth, and in a moment go down to the grave.
14 Therefore they say unto God, Depart from us; for we desire not the knowledge of thy ways.
15 What is the Almighty, that we should serve him? and what profit should we have, if we pray unto him?
16-25 ...........
26 They shall lie down alike in the dust, and the worms shall cover them.
27-28 ............
29 Have ye not asked them that go by the way? and do ye not know their tokens,
30 That the wicked is reserved to the day of destruction? they shall be brought forth to the day of wrath.
31 Who shall declare his way to his face? and who shall repay him what he hath done?
32 Yet shall he be brought to the grave, and shall remain in the tomb.”
(It should be noted above that “be brought forth” speaks of God’s turning his recognition to those he previously refused to recognize who continue to dwell in a spiritually dead state do to unrepentant sin, thus being seen of God as if having no life in them. God brings them forth from that cut off state as if spiritually resurrecting them for but a moment that he may recognize them just long enough to take their life permanently away, sending them to the grave wherein they shall remain.)
I was greatly helped with getting this clearly understood through a combination of what Malachy (Moutain_Climber) has shown me and our own society's literature which I found actually agreed with what Malachy was telling me.
While there may be some resurrected as yet unrighteous whom God deems not to have had their chance as yet to embrace that faith and thus be attributed righteousness to the saving of their souls, many if not most in this life have been and will yet be before this world ends, brought forth to the grave and not to life due to the wickedness of their hearts and their refusal to heed God's calling of them to repentance.
When at Genesis 18 Abraham questioned God about destroying the righteous together with the wicked, Abraham meant that he believed that at least the great majority of those God would destroy were being brought forth to God's momentary recognition of them so that he could send them to their death where they would remain forever more, even as Job speaks of there at Job 21:7-32.
I am not kidding when i tell you that this is but the beginning of much proof that not all men will be saved.
Psalms 11:5-7 is but one more of hundreds of places which show that the hope of the wicked is but everlasting destruction by the fire like wrath of God, for God hates the wicked who will not repent.
Ken Brown
Well-Known Member
Shalom Ron, since you appear to speak about the "last day," and the "rescue" that will take place, please give me your thoughts concerning how "the light of the moon shall be as the light of the sun, and the light of the sun shall be sevenfold, as the light of seven days, in the day that Yahweh bindeth up the breach of his people, and healeth the stroke of their wound?" (Isaiah 30:26) Can you explain this verse? Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.
P.S. Also, how do you explain Peter's comment that it would have been better for those who became entangled again with the pollutions of the world, to have never known the way of righteousness, than to have known it, and then turned from it? (2 Peter 2:20-22) Would this have anything to do with sinning against or blaspheming against the Spirit?
Ken Brown
Well-Known Member
Shalom Regal_Begal, thank you for responding. I have read what you wrote several times and I would like to ask a question of you. What do you believe it means that judgment BEGINS with the House of Elohim (1 Peter 4:17-18)? When did it begin, and how did it begin? And on a comparable note, when and how does that judgment transpire on those outside of the House of Elohim? Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.
Ron Hackel
Member
Ken Brown
The verse says the day he heals the breach or as the NIV says the wounds of his people. None of you seem to believe that this is just a demonstration showing the fallacy of Lucifer's claims. Lucifer claimed that God didn't love his creation because he forced them to do his will. As Zech 4:6 says, God demands nothing. He proves everything by demonstrating the truth. We were created to demonstrate the fallacy of Lucifer's claims. Lucifer made three claims: God wasn't really agape love, all creation should have freewill and that he had a better way to run the universe. Mankind still believes all three lies. Jesus actually showed the first to be false at the cross, but Satan has deceived mankind into believing that Jesus had to come to pay some kind of legal penalty instead of the real purpose which was showing God's true character. God would allow us to kill him, if that was possible, without any resistance. His love is so great he would rather die than hurt any of his creation.
To prove the other two claims false God has allowed us to acts as pawns of Satan in order to prove the other two false. They won't be proven false until Lucifer's claims are proven false. That happens when this planet is destroyed by us using Lucifer's law of greed. Just before it happens God is going to come and reveal his true character to everyone. That is the breach that is healed.
ZECHARIAH 14 : 5-8 "you will flee by my mountain valley, for it will extend to Azel. You will flee as you fled from the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah. Then the Lord my God will come, and all the holy ones with him. On that day there will be no light, no cold or frost. It will be a unique day, without daytime or nighttime-a day known to the Lord. When evening comes there will be light. On that day living water will flow out from Jerusalem"
The living water is the Spirit bringing the truth.
JOHN 7 : 38&39 "streams of living water...............By this he meant the Spirit, whom those who believed in him were later to receive."
God is allowing Lucifer the opportunity to prove his claims. That is how love functions. To do this the great majority must live under freewill. Under freewill we are no match for the suggestions made to our minds by Satan. That is why God had Isaiah prophecy that the people wouldn't be able to hear, see or understand the truth (Isaiah 6). And as Isaiah asked, For how long? God's answer was until the end of the world. Until Lucifer is proven wrong. Although God is allowing Lucifer free reign he has kept a few with the knowledge of God's true character (prophets) so that not all would be destroyed when the planet blows.
ROMANS 9 : 21 "Does not the potter have the right to make out of the same lump of clay some pottery for noble purposes (prophets) and some for common use?"
Scripture says 1/3 are going to accept the truth and will go into the city to be saved from the explosion.
I really have no good answer for your second question. But blaspheming the Holy spirit is rejecting the truth about his character. You can neither do it in this age or the age to come. The age to come is a very short period of time. Probably only a week or less. This period reflects the time talked about in Zechariah 14. Think about these verses
LUKE 18 : 30 "will fail to receive many times as much in this age and, in the age to come eternal life."
MATTHEW 13 : 49&50 "This is how it will be at the end of the age. The angels will come and separate the wicked from the righteous and throw them into the fiery furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth."
Draw a picture with a line depicting the end of this age. Now draw a line starting a week and a line at the end of that week. You then have eternity after the final line. If you're changed at the end of an age but in the age to come do you see there must be this short period of time when the gospel goes to all nations. People think nations means all countries but I'm sure you know from numerous verses that it means all people. It just makes sense that the gospel should be given to ALL people. It was a promise by Jesus. It is during this period of time that the breach is healed.
It says in Revelation that the 144,000 are seen on Mount Zion. I've shown all the Scripture that says Zion will be rebuilt. The 144,000 are called the firstfruits as Paul said the disciples after the cross were. They were the firstfruits of the Spirit. Peter said they would be a holy nation.
JOHN 17 : 17 "Sanctify them by the truth; your word is truth."
The word sanctify is the Greek word hagiazo which means to make holy or set apart for sacred use(To preach the gospel).
ISAIAH 62 : 10-12 "pass through, pass through the gates (New Jerusalem)! Prepare the way for the people. Build up, build up the highway! Remove the stones (lies)...........They will be called the Holy People."
I could have written pages and pages all showing the same thing. Let me add Daniel 12 :1-3
DANIEL 12 1-3 "At that time Michael (Jesus), the great prince who protects your people will arise. There will be a time of distress such as has not happened from the beginning of nations until then. But at that time your people-everyone whose name is written in the book-will be delivered. Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt. Those who are wise will shine like the brightness of the heavens, and those who bring righteousness, like the stars fro ever"
When this age ends only a few will survive. Psalm 91 says they'll survive because they acknowledge his name. Name in Hebrew means one's character. Isaiah 24 says only a few will survive (verse 6). In the gospels Jesus told the disciples to rejoice that their names were written in heaven (Luke 10:20). These were the ones that were to later to receive the Spirit because they believed in him(refer to the verse in John 7:39. So all the firstfruits are delivered. If you'd like I can do a study that shows the firstfruits was referring to the first to produce good fruit ending in the knowledge of God's character (wine in the Bible). As I've said before after this age all rise from the grave in the age to come.
Righteousness is understanding the true character of God. Paul said no one was righteous that no one understood God (Romans 3:9-12). The verse in Daniel says a group brings righteousness to those rising. One group accepts the truth (1/3) and 2/3 don't.
ZECHARIAH 13 : 8&9 "two-thirds will be struck down and perish; yet one-third will be left in it. This third I will bring into the fire; I will refine them like silver and test them like gold (wash out the impurities) They will call on my name (character-one of love) and I will answer them; I will say, 'They are my people,' and they will say, 'The lord is our God."
In Isaiah 6 a live coal (fire) was brought from the altar. Isaiah went from fearing God to enthusiastically wanting to serve him. The disciples received tongues of fire at Pentecost. It is the same fire that is going to come on the 2/3 that rejected the truth before the 1000 year rest. The earth must receive a thousand year rest to fulfill God's word before he recreates the new earth. This is the time in heaven. All the verses talking about people being lost just refer to this 1000 year period.
ISAIAH 24 : 22 "They will be herded together like prisoners bound in a dungeon; they will be shut up in prison and be visited after many days.
The early church taught that the wicked were lost for an eon (unspecific amount of time). Emperor Justinian wanted it changed to an eternal eon. But the council in which is was brought up in voted it down. It was supported by one delegate though, a man named Vigilias. Several years later Belisarius retook Rome for the empire and Justinian sent a man with an order from him telling him to send the sitting Bishop of Rome to Athens and replace him with the one bringing the order. The man bringing the order was the same Vigilias who became the new pope. As revelation states the dragon gave the beast his seat (capital-Rome) his power (General Belisarius) and his authority (Justinian). Justinian also shut down the teaching centers (Alexandria ect.) and proclaimed Rome the preeminent religious authority in the empire. Eternal damnation became a teaching of the church after 538 when Vigilias was installed.
The verse says the day he heals the breach or as the NIV says the wounds of his people. None of you seem to believe that this is just a demonstration showing the fallacy of Lucifer's claims. Lucifer claimed that God didn't love his creation because he forced them to do his will. As Zech 4:6 says, God demands nothing. He proves everything by demonstrating the truth. We were created to demonstrate the fallacy of Lucifer's claims. Lucifer made three claims: God wasn't really agape love, all creation should have freewill and that he had a better way to run the universe. Mankind still believes all three lies. Jesus actually showed the first to be false at the cross, but Satan has deceived mankind into believing that Jesus had to come to pay some kind of legal penalty instead of the real purpose which was showing God's true character. God would allow us to kill him, if that was possible, without any resistance. His love is so great he would rather die than hurt any of his creation.
To prove the other two claims false God has allowed us to acts as pawns of Satan in order to prove the other two false. They won't be proven false until Lucifer's claims are proven false. That happens when this planet is destroyed by us using Lucifer's law of greed. Just before it happens God is going to come and reveal his true character to everyone. That is the breach that is healed.
ZECHARIAH 14 : 5-8 "you will flee by my mountain valley, for it will extend to Azel. You will flee as you fled from the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah. Then the Lord my God will come, and all the holy ones with him. On that day there will be no light, no cold or frost. It will be a unique day, without daytime or nighttime-a day known to the Lord. When evening comes there will be light. On that day living water will flow out from Jerusalem"
The living water is the Spirit bringing the truth.
JOHN 7 : 38&39 "streams of living water...............By this he meant the Spirit, whom those who believed in him were later to receive."
God is allowing Lucifer the opportunity to prove his claims. That is how love functions. To do this the great majority must live under freewill. Under freewill we are no match for the suggestions made to our minds by Satan. That is why God had Isaiah prophecy that the people wouldn't be able to hear, see or understand the truth (Isaiah 6). And as Isaiah asked, For how long? God's answer was until the end of the world. Until Lucifer is proven wrong. Although God is allowing Lucifer free reign he has kept a few with the knowledge of God's true character (prophets) so that not all would be destroyed when the planet blows.
ROMANS 9 : 21 "Does not the potter have the right to make out of the same lump of clay some pottery for noble purposes (prophets) and some for common use?"
Scripture says 1/3 are going to accept the truth and will go into the city to be saved from the explosion.
I really have no good answer for your second question. But blaspheming the Holy spirit is rejecting the truth about his character. You can neither do it in this age or the age to come. The age to come is a very short period of time. Probably only a week or less. This period reflects the time talked about in Zechariah 14. Think about these verses
LUKE 18 : 30 "will fail to receive many times as much in this age and, in the age to come eternal life."
MATTHEW 13 : 49&50 "This is how it will be at the end of the age. The angels will come and separate the wicked from the righteous and throw them into the fiery furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth."
Draw a picture with a line depicting the end of this age. Now draw a line starting a week and a line at the end of that week. You then have eternity after the final line. If you're changed at the end of an age but in the age to come do you see there must be this short period of time when the gospel goes to all nations. People think nations means all countries but I'm sure you know from numerous verses that it means all people. It just makes sense that the gospel should be given to ALL people. It was a promise by Jesus. It is during this period of time that the breach is healed.
It says in Revelation that the 144,000 are seen on Mount Zion. I've shown all the Scripture that says Zion will be rebuilt. The 144,000 are called the firstfruits as Paul said the disciples after the cross were. They were the firstfruits of the Spirit. Peter said they would be a holy nation.
JOHN 17 : 17 "Sanctify them by the truth; your word is truth."
The word sanctify is the Greek word hagiazo which means to make holy or set apart for sacred use(To preach the gospel).
ISAIAH 62 : 10-12 "pass through, pass through the gates (New Jerusalem)! Prepare the way for the people. Build up, build up the highway! Remove the stones (lies)...........They will be called the Holy People."
I could have written pages and pages all showing the same thing. Let me add Daniel 12 :1-3
DANIEL 12 1-3 "At that time Michael (Jesus), the great prince who protects your people will arise. There will be a time of distress such as has not happened from the beginning of nations until then. But at that time your people-everyone whose name is written in the book-will be delivered. Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt. Those who are wise will shine like the brightness of the heavens, and those who bring righteousness, like the stars fro ever"
When this age ends only a few will survive. Psalm 91 says they'll survive because they acknowledge his name. Name in Hebrew means one's character. Isaiah 24 says only a few will survive (verse 6). In the gospels Jesus told the disciples to rejoice that their names were written in heaven (Luke 10:20). These were the ones that were to later to receive the Spirit because they believed in him(refer to the verse in John 7:39. So all the firstfruits are delivered. If you'd like I can do a study that shows the firstfruits was referring to the first to produce good fruit ending in the knowledge of God's character (wine in the Bible). As I've said before after this age all rise from the grave in the age to come.
Righteousness is understanding the true character of God. Paul said no one was righteous that no one understood God (Romans 3:9-12). The verse in Daniel says a group brings righteousness to those rising. One group accepts the truth (1/3) and 2/3 don't.
ZECHARIAH 13 : 8&9 "two-thirds will be struck down and perish; yet one-third will be left in it. This third I will bring into the fire; I will refine them like silver and test them like gold (wash out the impurities) They will call on my name (character-one of love) and I will answer them; I will say, 'They are my people,' and they will say, 'The lord is our God."
In Isaiah 6 a live coal (fire) was brought from the altar. Isaiah went from fearing God to enthusiastically wanting to serve him. The disciples received tongues of fire at Pentecost. It is the same fire that is going to come on the 2/3 that rejected the truth before the 1000 year rest. The earth must receive a thousand year rest to fulfill God's word before he recreates the new earth. This is the time in heaven. All the verses talking about people being lost just refer to this 1000 year period.
ISAIAH 24 : 22 "They will be herded together like prisoners bound in a dungeon; they will be shut up in prison and be visited after many days.
The early church taught that the wicked were lost for an eon (unspecific amount of time). Emperor Justinian wanted it changed to an eternal eon. But the council in which is was brought up in voted it down. It was supported by one delegate though, a man named Vigilias. Several years later Belisarius retook Rome for the empire and Justinian sent a man with an order from him telling him to send the sitting Bishop of Rome to Athens and replace him with the one bringing the order. The man bringing the order was the same Vigilias who became the new pope. As revelation states the dragon gave the beast his seat (capital-Rome) his power (General Belisarius) and his authority (Justinian). Justinian also shut down the teaching centers (Alexandria ect.) and proclaimed Rome the preeminent religious authority in the empire. Eternal damnation became a teaching of the church after 538 when Vigilias was installed.
Ron Hackel
Member
Ken Brown
This judging you asked Regal Begal about is the judging during the age to come. It is not god judging us, but us judging whether we trust God. First those God knows are going to accept him are raised and after those he knows will not. Let me show you in Scripture.
MATTHEW 25 : 31-32 "When the Son of Man comes in his glory (the brightness of the 7 days of sun), and all the angels with him, he will sit on his throne in heavenly glory. All nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate one from another as A SHEPHERD SEPARATES the sheep from the goats."
JOHN 10 : 14 "I am the good shepherd; I know my sheep and my sheep know me."
JOHN 10 : 3 "The watchman opens the gate for him, and the sheep listen to his voice(they know his character)
HOSEA 9 : 8 "The prophet, along with my God (Jesus) is the watchman over Ephraim."
The separation is not physically done by God. The sheep come and the goats run and thus the separation.The prophets brought the truth about God's character through Scripture and Jesus was the word made flesh. Satan is able to twist Scripture, but Jesus showed God's character in the flesh. Jesus said he came in God's name(character), but you do not accept me (John 5:43). This is the verse having the goats running from God.
ISAIAH 2 : 19 "Men will flee to caves in the rocks and to holes in the ground from dread of the Lord and the SPLENDOR OF HIS MAJESTY when he rises to shake the earth."
The Jews at Mount Sinai were afraid of the same thing and Paul warned us not to do as the Jews did.
EXODUS 24 : 17 "To the Israelites the glory (his majesty) of the Lord looked like a devouring fire."
They had been in Egypt so long and heard about scarey pagan gods that they just assumed the worst. The glory of God is his appearance which LOOKS LIKE a devouring fire.
This judging you asked Regal Begal about is the judging during the age to come. It is not god judging us, but us judging whether we trust God. First those God knows are going to accept him are raised and after those he knows will not. Let me show you in Scripture.
MATTHEW 25 : 31-32 "When the Son of Man comes in his glory (the brightness of the 7 days of sun), and all the angels with him, he will sit on his throne in heavenly glory. All nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate one from another as A SHEPHERD SEPARATES the sheep from the goats."
JOHN 10 : 14 "I am the good shepherd; I know my sheep and my sheep know me."
JOHN 10 : 3 "The watchman opens the gate for him, and the sheep listen to his voice(they know his character)
HOSEA 9 : 8 "The prophet, along with my God (Jesus) is the watchman over Ephraim."
The separation is not physically done by God. The sheep come and the goats run and thus the separation.The prophets brought the truth about God's character through Scripture and Jesus was the word made flesh. Satan is able to twist Scripture, but Jesus showed God's character in the flesh. Jesus said he came in God's name(character), but you do not accept me (John 5:43). This is the verse having the goats running from God.
ISAIAH 2 : 19 "Men will flee to caves in the rocks and to holes in the ground from dread of the Lord and the SPLENDOR OF HIS MAJESTY when he rises to shake the earth."
The Jews at Mount Sinai were afraid of the same thing and Paul warned us not to do as the Jews did.
EXODUS 24 : 17 "To the Israelites the glory (his majesty) of the Lord looked like a devouring fire."
They had been in Egypt so long and heard about scarey pagan gods that they just assumed the worst. The glory of God is his appearance which LOOKS LIKE a devouring fire.
Ken Brown
Well-Known Member
Shalom Ron Hackel, I appreciate your response, especially about the "Living Water." But, if I were to answer my question to you about this verse, "the light of the moon shall be as the light of the sun, and the light of the sun shall be sevenfold, as the light of seven days, in the day that Yahweh bindeth up the breach of his people, and healeth the stroke of their wound," I would have said that the Moon represents those who reflect Elohim, and then when Elohim delivers His People from Sin (the stroke/wound He inflicted-Romans 11:32, Romans 8:20), they will be LIKE Him (1 John 3:2), and He will receive WITHIN Himself ALL of those who have reflected His Light (Messiah Yeshua), to INCREASE His Glory (Hebrews 2:10, 1 Peter 5:10), bringing within Himself all of those who have FEARED Him throughout the Seven Millennium (Haggai 1:12, Revelation 21:9-11), to reflect His Light (Matthew 5:16). But who knows, maybe I am as one who casts before those who would not receive these things. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.