The Logic of God

[Thief]

No, it is getting caught up on definitions. I have seen what people call ghosts, but they are not wandering spirits as there is no spirit. I have seen them, and my family has seen them. I have no lack of experience with these "ghosts", quite the opposite. I have probably had more "ghostly" interactions in one day than you have in your whole life. So cut the ****.

The issue is that what we see as ghosts are hallucinations in most cases. They are one in the same. We imagine seeing something there, imagine interacting with things. Lay in a dark room long enough with insomnia and you will be completely surrounded by imaginary beings. Then there are the cases where something has obviously been seen, I don't deny that happens. But it does not prove a spirit exist. More likely it will be explained once we come to understand time and the other dimensions more. Just think of it as a glitch in the dimension(s) of time and space.



Yes, you clearly have no care for facts, I am aware. But can you support these seemingly random statistics you have provided?



Well I think that chaos is kind of an illusion. Even at the quantum level where we have uncertainty, I am sure that there is an order behind things that makes them work the way they do. They do this randomly, there is a difference between randomness and chaos. The fundamental whatever of reality acts in specific ways and does random things. Our universe coming into existence; that is a perfect example of something randomly happening because of the set way things act.

Start a thread for the difference between random and chaotic.
Let me know.

Be sure to state your stance in the opening comment.

 

[Thief]

The interesting aspect of the Genesis story is that God created a situation where humans would fail. (Innocent trusting humans with no knowledge of good or evil in a Garden with a great deceiver - in fact a lesser God with tremendous power)

This characterization of God is that of a Trickster which is in keeping with the Sumerian mythology of misbehaving Gods.

What is strange about the story is that God would be upset with the humans for doing exactly as God planned.

This is like a computer program getting upset when that program does exactly as it is supposed to do.

God is then cast as both irrational and a trickster.

Poor analysis.

It your attempting to form a device that will produce a free thinking spirit...
step one is to not impose yourself upon it.
That would be the creation of Man....Day Six.

The spirit that arises from the lesser animal form apparently fails to 'gel'.
A greater cognitive ability is needed.

So...the garden event.
Alter the body and mind of Man, and then release him back onto the environment.

To make sure the alteration takes hold a simple matter of choice.
Learn the difference between good and evil....
even if it means you will die.

Man chose.

He chose well.

 

[Thief]

Entrapment is hardly a choice.

It was not a trap.
And Man was set free, as soon as the choice was made.

 

[Thief]

Thief, it's always interesting what posts you ignore. Gives a look into your mind. Just saying...

This post reveals even more about ....you.
Just saying.

 

[1137]

Start a thread for the difference between random and chaotic.
Let me know.

Be sure to state your stance in the opening comment.

So this is how it's going to keep going? You ask us to blindly accept your side, refuse to argue it, and then ignore arguments against? Well you definitely can't lose a debate that way I suppose. I don't have issue with it. Fear can have a great effect on us, especially fear of death. As long as on some level you realize it will all end, I've done my job. Just know acceptance will only improve the short time you have.

 

[Thief]

So this is how it's going to keep going? You ask us to blindly accept your side, refuse to argue it, and then ignore arguments against? Well you definitely can't lose a debate that way I suppose. I don't have issue with it. Fear can have a great effect on us, especially fear of death. As long as on some level you realize it will all end, I've done my job. Just know acceptance will only improve the short time you have.

Still too much assumption of me on your part.
That's not logical.

 

[1137]

Still too much assumption of me on your part.
That's not logical.

What assumption?

 

[Thief]

What assumption?

OMG...are you lost so easily?
And then you wonder why I pick and choose which posts to respond to.

 

[1137]

OMG...are you lost so easily?
And then you wonder why I pick and choose which posts to respond to.

If you hadn't been here 3 years I'd honestly think you were trolling. Rejection of logic and fact, numerous fallacies, troll like ignorance, little childish jabs like this... if fideism is your way you shouldn't start a thread about logic.

 

[Thief]

If you hadn't been here 3 years I'd honestly think you were trolling. Rejection of logic and fact, numerous fallacies, troll like ignorance, little childish jabs like this... if fideism is your way you shouldn't start a thread about logic.

I was about to say the same of you.

Care to speak of logic...as if you were God?

Come on...don't be 'afraid'.

 

[1137]

I'm in the business of practicing what I preach, Thief. As well as believing in truth over comfort. These beliefs you hold hurt nobody but yourself, so I don't believe I have a right to keep pushing. I have presented the facts, told you where your beliefs falter and why they do not work, and explained the outcome that would come about if you accept fact supported logic. The rest is up to you. So I leave you with the choice of comfort or truth, living your one life or living for a life that will never come. The choice you make, well, I really don't care.

And I have spoken of logic, you have not. Your argument is based on appeal to fear and circular reasoning.

 

[Thief]

I'm in the business of practicing what I preach, Thief. As well as believing in truth over comfort. These beliefs you hold hurt nobody but yourself, so I don't believe I have a right to keep pushing. I have presented the facts, told you where your beliefs falter and why they do not work, and explained the outcome that would come about if you accept fact supported logic. The rest is up to you. So I leave you with the choice of comfort or truth, living your one life or living for a life that will never come. The choice you make, well, I really don't care.

And I have spoken of logic, you have not. Your argument is based on appeal to fear and circular reasoning.

And I have done likewise for you.

And I don't believe for comfort.
I believe for reason.
That you don't agree means no more than you don't agree.

Circular?....not for you?
Then by all means. Allow yourself your linear existence and terminal 'logic'.

Your apathy is noted.
And is a poor podium.

 

[1137]

No, you have not. You provielde your "reason", I refute it, you tell me to start another thread. I even asked for a one on one debate which you fled from. You haven't shown why spirit logically exists in any way that I haven't countered. You have made it clear that you don't want death to be the end and that guides your thoughta on it.

 

[Thief]

No, you have not. You provielde your "reason", I refute it, you tell me to start another thread. I even asked for a one on one debate which you fled from. You haven't shown why spirit logically exists in any way that I haven't countered. You have made it clear that you don't want death to be the end and that guides your thoughta on it.

Okay...I believe in the after life....and I pursue that line of thought.

You were making a point?

 

[1137]

Okay...I believe in the after life....and I pursue that line of thought.

You were making a point?

Yeah, my point is support your belief or admit to fideism. What supports there being an afterlife?

 

[Thief]

Yeah, my point is support your belief or admit to fideism. What supports there being an afterlife?

And 'likelihood' is not part of your vocabulary.

I think we've done this part'

ALL these people having form that renders unique spirit....
and no one is likely to move on in to the next life?

The creation of Man was not with design and intent?

And I'Ve told you before..... your label doesn't really fit me.
Note my banner and signature.

 

[1137]

And 'likelihood' is not part of your vocabulary.

What? Likelihood is a part of my vocabulary... I've been asking you why it's likely there is an afterlife and you keep sidestepping like just now.

think we've done this part'

ALL these people having form that renders unique spirit....
and no one is likely to move on in to the next life?

Why does it require a spirit? People are unique because of how our brains function, where does the equation need spirit? That is what I want is for you to tell me why. Spirit does suggest an afterlife, but only if you show it exists.

The creation of Man was not with design and intent?

And I'Ve told you before..... your label doesn't really fit me.
Note my banner and signature.

Creation of man? That is another point. Man came about from billions of years of evolution, to the best of our knowledge at least. Can you explain why creation is more likely?

 

[Oryonder]

Poor analysis.

It your attempting to form a device that will produce a free thinking spirit...
step one is to not impose yourself upon it.
That would be the creation of Man....Day Six.

The spirit that arises from the lesser animal form apparently fails to 'gel'.
A greater cognitive ability is needed.

What is a "poor analysis" is your complete failure to show what is wrong with my analysis.

 

[Heathen Hammer]

This post reveals even more about ....you.
Just saying.

Yes, that he is observant.

 

[Thief]

Wake up people...this is not another 'prove God' thread.

So picture yourself as God....yes you can.
After millions of years of creativity...You are still alone.
Someone had to be First.
Your creation responds to your touch...but it does not really respond.
You are self aware.

Dividing your 'self' makes your own image...but that would be...talking to yourself.
No question without answer.
You really do 'know it all'.
No conversation...no unique perspective.

The only other item to work with is all of that substance you've created.
Chemistry has rules...you made them.
So this 'garden' is one of the few places where the substance churns...just right.
Not to hot...not too cold....just right.

And it is here on this planet you blend your spirit into substance.....Man.

And Man is such a form it needs to develop into a being that desires to know more than...
the reach of it's arm....the scent in it's nose....and it's line of sight.

Now can we proceed from this platform?
Or do you insist upon your podiums of denial?