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The Logic of God

Thief

Rogue Theologian
Are you saying that if we reject your unsupported concepts we rot, but if we accept "spirit" we move on?

I honestly swear if you just admit to being a fideist I'll stop pushing reason on you. We should be completely honest to ourselves about ourselves. Can you please say it or provide evidence supported reason?

I like your avatar.
It really does suit you.
 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
God isn't a parent.

You have an actual relationship with your parent - unless they abandoned you. You do not have a relationship with God. Any more than you do with Shakira or any other celebrity whom you admire, from afar.

If a parent continues to love and guide a child even though it misbehaves, we say they are a good parent. Please explain how that idea is even salient to your point. According to you God is not guiding you.

Your aim of responsibility is all over the place.

If God hates us for instilling us with sin, he's a ****** parent.

So you don't regard God as Father....too bad for you.

I like the parable of the prodigal son.
 

Heathen Hammer

Nope, you're still wrong
My personal affairs are none of your concern.
You should know enough by now not to get smart with me if you don't want me to smack you back.

But, it's an interesting point, isn't it: would you be a well developed individual if your dad beat you near to death every time you displeased him, remembering every single mistake you ever made, yet kept telling you how much he loved you?

God does worse than that.

If your dad was like that and people knew, they'd pity you and revile him.
 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
You should know enough by now not to get smart with me if you don't want me to smack you back.

But, it's an interesting point, isn't it: would you be a well developed individual if your dad beat you near to death every time you displeased him, remembering every single mistake you ever made, yet kept telling you how much he loved you?

God does worse than that.

If your dad was like that and people knew, they'd pity you and revile him.

You really did get up on the wrong side of the bed.
 

FearGod

Freedom Of Mind
I'm placing this thread in debate as it may well turn into one.
But for the most part, what I'm asking is a one statement essay that you believe shows a line of logic.

Pick any thought or feeling you might consider beyond refute.
Support with your cause for belief.

If you can refrain the rebuttal of someone else's essay....that would be good.
This thread is more to declaration than argument.

But should we digress to debate and rebuttal....oh well.

God is the originator and for all the unknown to us,the answer is god
 

FearGod

Freedom Of Mind
what evidence is there of this???

As a muslim i just have to rely on what i believe the words of god which have been sent by him,one of the verses say

"The Originator of the heavens and the earth; and when He decrees an affair, He only says to it, “Be”, and it is" (117)

So as he is saying that he is the originator and everything is done by his orders,then i have to accept it,since till today we didn't find any originator.
 

1137

Here until I storm off again
Premium Member
If God exists that means that the ability to reason and look at evidence is his greatest gift to us. Factually it's thanks to evolution, but if God is the guiding force then we can use reason becaise of him. So, when we reject reason and refuse evidence, if God exists it is the equivalent to slapping him across the face.
 
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waitasec

Veteran Member
There's that plea for evidence again....in a topic thread about faith.

the topic is not faith...
the topic is the logic of god..


so what is god's logic
or are we discussing
our logic of god...


one in the same perhaps?
 

1137

Here until I storm off again
Premium Member
I'm placing this thread in debate as it may well turn into one.
But for the most part, what I'm asking is a one statement essay that you believe shows a line of logic.

Pick any thought or feeling you might consider beyond refute.
Support with your cause for belief.

This was the first part of the OP you yourself made in a thread about logic. Yet logic is based on what we know, otherwise it cannot be sound. So when you want to ignore fact and evidence you want to ignore logic. The OP asks for is to provide an argument as well as support it. Why can't you follow the rules of the thread you yourself set up? Why start a thread on logic if it means nothing to you?
 

Heathen Hammer

Nope, you're still wrong
There's that plea for evidence again....in a topic thread about faith.
Interestingly, it seems that this idea that faith and evidence are mutually exclusive, came as an excuse from adherents to the one faith which lacked evidence the most.

In the real world, faith comes to you from experience, which is a form of evidence as to the reliability of something. It seems though that Christians think 'evidence' is a dirty word.
 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
So around about again...here you go.

Interestingly, it seems that this idea that faith and evidence are mutually exclusive, came as an excuse from adherents to the one faith which lacked evidence the most.

In the real world, faith comes to you from experience, which is a form of evidence as to the reliability of something. It seems though that Christians think 'evidence' is a dirty word.

Not at all.
The line drawn is simply not convenient for non-believers.

If there is Something greater than yourself ...
then the hour comes quickly and that Something Else could be standing over you when you breath your last breath.
From another thread moments ago....As I answered another retort....


God has created the stage and the players.
You are you...because God wants it that way.

You say the character that you are is an illusion.
But then you say cause and effect.

There is cause and effect.
And there is cause and effect for you....as long as you remain you.

If you declare your person to be a lie.....
Then God will accommodate your declaration....and dismantle ....'you'.
If fact...all He need do is nothing.

You can't get out of your body. You're stuck n there.
Your presence before God is an item allowed.
If you continue as you have, your declaration will be held to you.
You will fail to stand from your dust.

Eternal darkness is physically real.
No light follows anyone into the grave.

Your denial is acceptable.
 
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