The Lord's Day, is it really Sunday?

[3rdAngel]

With every negative, or warning, comes the threat of punishment. This threat of punishment is a judgment, a curse, not a mercy. Hence we find, that death is nearly always the punishment for transgression of the Ten Commandments. Here is the judgment against idolatry. Deut. 17:6. 'At the mouth of two witnesses, or three witnesses, shall he that is worthy of death be put to death; but at the mouth of one witness he shall not be put to death.' And the judgment for not keeping the weekly sabbath. [Exodus 31:15] 'Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.' Deuteronomy 11:26-28. 'Behold, I set before you this day a blessing and a curse; A blessing, if ye obey the commandments of the LORD your God, which I command you this day: And a curse, if ye will not obey the commandments of the LORD your God, but turn aside out of the way which I command you this day, to go after other gods, which ye have not known.'

We are in the NEW COVENANT now. Nearly all God's 10 commandments under the OLD COVENANT had the death penalty attached to them under the CIVIL laws of ISRAEL if they were broken not just God's 4th commandment *DEUTERONOMY 13:6-18; 1 SAMUEL 26:19; DEUTERONOMY 13:1-10; 17:2-5; 27:15; DEUTERONOMY 7:25-26; LEVITICUS 24:10-17; EXODUS 31:14-15; 35:2; LEVITICUS 20:9; DEUTERONOMY 21:18-21; EXODUS 21:17; EXODUS 21:12-14; LEVITICUS 20; JOHN 8:5; EXODUS 21:16; DEUTERONOMY 19:15-21. That was to teach God's people the wages of SIN (breaking any one of God's 10 commandments) is death as it does in the NEW COVENANT *ROMANS 6:23 although JESUS says vengence is mine at his 2nd coming *ROMANS 12:17-19; REVELATION 22:12.

According to God's WORD, ALL those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50. We are saved by GRACE through faith and not of ourselves it is a gift of God *EPHESIANS 2:8. We are all sick with sin and need a Physician *MATTHEW 9:12-13. JESUS says arise take up your bed and walk. I believe him. How about you?

God's 4th commandment is one of the 10 commandments that gives us the KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is when broken *ROMANS 3:20. God's WORD says if we break ANY ONE of God's commandments we stand guilty before God of SIN *JAMES 2:10-11. If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

God's people are in every church *JOHN 10:16 and He knows that many break this commandment out of IGNORANCE because what they have been taught in the Churches they may be in. JESUS says that the hour is coming and NOW is that he will call his people out from following the teachings and tradtions of men to worship God in Spirit and in truth according to his WORD *JOHN 4:23-24

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9) There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God? In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

Hope this is helpful

 

[3rdAngel]

In the present age of grace, we know that the curse of the law, the punishment for sin, was borne by Christ upon the cross.
Galatians 3:9-14. 'So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham. For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
But no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree: That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.'

Absolutely!

The reconciliation of law with liberty, issuing in a service which is perfect freedom, is attained through the Spirit of Christ: 'the law of the Spirit of life in Jesus Christ hath made me free' [Rom.8:2], the spirit of adoption superseding the spirit of bondage, that love may cast out fear. Law, then, is no longer a law under which, but a law by which we act, becoming a law of our spiritual nature.' [Dean Scott - Speaker's Commentary]

Yes do you know what this means and how it relates to ROMANS 13:8-10 and JAMES 2:8-12 and it's relationship to God's 4th commandment which is one of God's 10 commandments of our duty of love to God?

Smith Wigglesworth, whose writings never deviate from matters of faith, wrote: 'The Holy Ghost shows us that we must never look back to the law of sin and death from which we have been delivered. God has brought us into a new order of things, a life of love and liberty in Christ Jesus that is beyond all human comprehension. Many are brought into this new life through the power of the Spirit of God, and then, like the Galatians, who ran well at the beginning, they try to perfect themselves on the lines of legalism. They go back from the life in the Spirit to a life on natural lines. God is not pleased with this, for He has no place for the man who has lost the vision. The only thing to do is repent. Don't try to cover up anything. If you have been tripped up on any line, confess it out, and then look to God to bring you to a place of stability of faith where your whole walk will be in the Spirit.' [The Pentecostal Evangel, Nov.25,1922]

Well all your providing here is the writing and teachings of men. It possibly would have been best to quote the scriptures. What I see here in this post is confusion as to what the law of sin and death is. The law of sin and death is in reference to ROMANS 8:2 which says [2], For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death. We will go back to context in a minuete to prove that this is not in reference to God's 10 commandments.

ROMANS 8:2 is in reference to what PAUL was discussing earlier at the end of ROMANS 7:21-25 [21], I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me. [22], For I delight in the law of God after the inward man: [23], But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. [24], O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?

This is the new covenant of why we need a new heart to love. We are all sinners in need of a Savior. The law of sin and death is the sinful human nature that needs God's salvation to walk in newness of life and a new heart to love *HEBREWS 8:10-12.

Then the context continues which establishes God's law in those who have been given a new heart to love and walk in God's Spirit...

ROMANS 8:1-4 [1], THERE IS THEREFORE NOW NO CONDEMNATION TO THEM WHICH ARE IN CHRIST JESUS WHO WALK NOT AFTER THE FLESH BUT AFTER THE SPIRIT.

NOTE: The GREEK word for FLESH is CARNAL MIND or SINFUL HUMAN NATURE. This links to what PAUL is talking about in ROMANS 7 and GALATIANS 5:16

[2], FOR THE LAW OF THE SPIRIT OF LIFE IN CHRIST JESUS HAS MADE ME FREE FROM THE LAW OF SIN AND DEATH.

NOTE: ROMANS 6 and ROMANS 7 discussion on Baptism and death to sin and the OLD MAN and DEATH in marriage to the OLD Man to marry another? Also, ROMANS 7:12-25 the law of sin working in us.

[3], For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

[4], THAT THE RIGHTEOUSNESS OF THE LAW MIGHT BE FULFILLED IN US WHO WALK NOT AFTER THE FLESH (Carnal mind) BUT AFTER THE SPIRIT (Word of God)

This is in perfect harmony with what PAUL says in GALATIANS 5:16.

I can see blessing and benefit stem from an agreed day of rest each week, but the legal requirement to take a specific day, with the threat of punishment for non-compliance, is not what I understand as grace. Christians choosing to assemble on Sunday, under no obligation or threat of punishment, was a practice that helped to differentiate between grace and law.

God's 4th commandment is one of God's 10 commandments that define what sin is when broken *James 2:10-11 According to God's Word all those who knowingly practice sin will not enter the kingdom of heave because they reject the gift of God's dear son and count the blood of the covenant an unholy thing *Romans 6:23; Hebrews 10:26-39. God has his people in every Church *John 10:16 and knows that his people have been led astray by these Churches and in times of ignorance God does not hold us accountable for sin but when he gives us a knowledge of the truth of his Word calls all men everywhere to believe and follow him *Acts 17:30-31. God is calling his people out from following man made teachings and traditions *Matthew 15:3-9 back to the pure Word of God *John 4:23-24; Revelation 18:1-4. There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says God's 4th commandment has now been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a holy day. This is a man made teaching and tradition handed down to christianity by the Roman Catholic Church that JESUS condemns in MATTHEW 15:2-9.

God's Sheep hear His Voice (the Word of God) and follow him *John 10:26-27

 

[metis]

Back when blue laws were fully in place the favorite stop after Mass was an historic street that featured Jewish bakeries and delis.

And that act is often reciprocal as many Jews will leave synagogue and go to Gentile-owned restaurants on Shabbat. Been there; done that.

 

[Redemptionsong]

Well you quoted 9/10 commandment. You left out God's 4th commandment in EXODUS 20:8-11. Was there any reason for that? Let's get honest here brother can we? Let me ask you something. Tell me who has faith. If God asks us to do something who has faith and believe and follows God's Word; the person who hears, believes and follows what God says or the person who hears, believes and does not do what God says? Which one of these people has faith in God's Word?

I overlooked the tenth commandment listed in Exodus 20, and should have added 'Thou shalt not covet'. But, looking back, I did mention the fourth commandment and the warning 'thou shalt not do any work'.

Each of the Ten Commandments has a punishment attached. Why do you feel that we should adopt the fourth commandment without the accompanying punishment? A negative commandment is always accompanied by a sanction for disobedience.

Exodus 20:10.' But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:'

Exodus 31:15. 'Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.'

Numbers 15:32-36. 'And while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man that gathered sticks upon the sabbath day.
And they that found him gathering sticks brought him unto Moses and Aaron, and unto all the congregation.
And they put him in ward, because it was not declared what should be done to him.
And the LORD said unto Moses, The man shall be surely put to death: all the congregation shall stone him with stones without the camp.
And all the congregation brought him without the camp, and stoned him with stones, and he died; as the LORD commanded Moses.'

Do you have many 'stonings' at your church? I'm sure if you looked hard enough you would find some slouch not attending the Saturday morning service.

The point being made here is that commandments are for DOING. There is no room for maneuver. You know what you have to do, and you do it.

Galatians 3:10. For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in the things which are written in the book of the law to do them.'

Galatians 3:12. 'And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.'

The law comes from God and is good, but there is no room for mercy for those who intentionally break the law. Do something wrong and you're a dead man.

How is faith in Christ different?
To hear, believe and follow. These are the criteria of faith that you have laid down as essential to pleasing God. I agree. But what is it that you hear, believe and follow? Is it a call to follow the law, or the Spirit of love? You seem to be hearing a call to follow the Ten Commandments, whereas I am hearing a call to follow the Spirit of love.

Is there a difference between walking by the law in faith, and walking by the Spirit in love?
I believe there is a difference, because the law covers only the outward man, not his inward thoughts and passions. As I tried to argue before, Matthew 5 gives us some good examples of this.

'Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:
But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca [vain fellow], shall be in danger of the council; but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.'

Again, 'Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her in his heart.'

Simply conforming to the outward commandments laid out in the Ten Commandments does not cover all the sin that a man can commit. We each need to be changed on the inside, and this is a process that begins when we receive the Holy Spirit. Once received, we then have to learn to walk by the Spirit and allow the Spirit to sanctify us from the inside out. This is the Spirit rather than the letter of the law.

What, you might ask, is the Spirit of the fourth commandment? Well, since this commandment is about loving God, I would say that a continual praise of God, seven days a week, is better than a one day praise. I would say that a continual rest in Christ is better than a one day rest from work. But where a physical rest from work is required, then take one, when you need it! [I don't mean illegally, or whilst at work!]

 

[3rdAngel]

I overlooked the tenth commandment listed in Exodus 20, and should have added 'Thou shalt not covet'. But, looking back, I did mention the fourth commandment and the warning 'thou shalt not do any work'.

Ok no problem everyone makes mistakes.

Each of the Ten Commandments has a punishment attached. Why do you feel that we should adopt the fourth commandment without the accompanying punishment? A negative commandment is always accompanied by a sanction for disobedience.

Exodus 20:10.' But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:'

Exodus 31:15. 'Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.'

Numbers 15:32-36. 'And while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man that gathered sticks upon the sabbath day.
And they that found him gathering sticks brought him unto Moses and Aaron, and unto all the congregation.
And they put him in ward, because it was not declared what should be done to him.
And the LORD said unto Moses, The man shall be surely put to death: all the congregation shall stone him with stones without the camp.
And all the congregation brought him without the camp, and stoned him with stones, and he died; as the LORD commanded Moses.'

Do you have many 'stonings' at your church? I'm sure if you looked hard enough you would find some slouch not attending the Saturday morning service.

This is just repitition that was already answered and addressed in detail in post # 561 linked which you have not responded to. We are in the NEW COVENANT now. Nearly all God's 10 commandments under the OLD COVENANT had the death penalty attached to them under the CIVIL laws of ISRAEL if they were broken not just God's 4th commandment *DEUTERONOMY 13:6-18; 1 SAMUEL 26:19; DEUTERONOMY 13:1-10; 17:2-5; 27:15; DEUTERONOMY 7:25-26; LEVITICUS 24:10-17; EXODUS 31:14-15; 35:2; LEVITICUS 20:9; DEUTERONOMY 21:18-21; EXODUS 21:17; EXODUS 21:12-14; LEVITICUS 20; JOHN 8:5; EXODUS 21:16; DEUTERONOMY 19:15-21. That was to teach God's people the wages of SIN (breaking any one of God's 10 commandments) is death as it does in the NEW COVENANT *ROMANS 6:23 although JESUS says vengence is mine at his 2nd coming *ROMANS 12:17-19; REVELATION 22:12.

According to God's WORD, ALL those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50. We are saved by GRACE through faith and not of ourselves it is a gift of God *EPHESIANS 2:8. We are all sick with sin and need a Physician *MATTHEW 9:12-13. JESUS says arise take up your bed and walk. I believe him. How about you?

God's 4th commandment is one of the 10 commandments that gives us the KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is when broken *ROMANS 3:20. God's WORD says if we break ANY ONE of God's commandments we stand guilty before God of SIN *JAMES 2:10-11. If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

God's people are in every church *JOHN 10:16 and He knows that many break this commandment out of IGNORANCE because what they have been taught in the Churches they may be in. JESUS says that the hour is coming and NOW is that he will call his people out from following the teachings and tradtions of men to worship God in Spirit and in truth according to his WORD *JOHN 4:23-24

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9) There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God? In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

to be continued...

 

[3rdAngel]

The point being made here is that commandments are for DOING. There is no room for maneuver. You know what you have to do, and you do it.

According to the scriptures we demonstrate our faith by doing what God's Word says we should do. We do not do what God's Word says in order to gain salvation as we have already been given salvation as a free gift by God's grace through faith in God's Word *EPHESIANS 2:8-9. We do what God's Word says because we love God. If we do not do what God's Word says we are only showing we do not love God or our fellow man and need to be born again *1 JOHN 3:6-10 to newness of life ROMANS 6:1-23 because we are still in our sins rejecting the gift of God's dear son and counting the blood of the covenant an unholy thing *ROMANS 6:23; HEBREWS 10:26-39.

This is why Jesus says truly, truly I say unto you unless a man in born again he cannot see the kingdom of heaven *JOHN 3:3-8. Those that are born again do not practice sin *1 JOHN 3:9. Those who continue in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN have neither seen him wo know him *1 JOHN 2:3-4; 1 JOHN 3:6. This is the difference between the children of God and the children of the devil *1 JOHN 3:9-10.

True faith has the fruit of OBEDIENCE to God's WORD *ROMANS 13:8-10 and is why we need a NEW HEART to LOVE which is the NEW COVENANT promise *HEBREWS 8:10-12. LOVE IS THE FULFILLING of God's LAW in all those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD and walk in his SPIRIT *ROMANS 13:9-10; GALATIANS 5:16; ROMANS 8:1-4.

If our faith has no fruit (obedience to God's Word) it is dead (not true living faith, not existent) *JAMES 2:18-20; 26; ROMANS 3:31; ROMANS 8:1-4 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50. If we continue to sin willfully after we recieve a knowledge of the truth there remains no sacrifice for sin and a fearful looking forward to of the judgment to come *HEBREWS 10:26-39.

to be continued...

 

[3rdAngel]

Galatians 3:10. For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in the things which are written in the book of the law to do them.'

Galatians 3:12. 'And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.'

The law comes from God and is good, but there is no room for mercy for those who intentionally break the law. Do something wrong and you're a dead man.

Not relevant to the conversation see previous section no one is stating anywhere whatsoever that we get our salvation by what we do. According to the scriptures we are only saved by GRACE through faith and not of ourselves it is a gift of God *EPHESIANS 2:8. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW what Gods Word says. Doing what God's Word says is the FRUIT of faith that works by a new heart that LOVES given in the new covenant promise of a new heart *HEBREWS 8:10-12. Salvation is from sin (breaking any one of God’s 10 Commandments) not to continue in sin *ROMANS 6:1-23; JOHN 8:31-36. This is God's work in us * PHILIPPIANS 2:13. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50. You cannot separate faith and works according to the scriptures just the same as you cannot separate love and law as it is the fruit of OBEDIENCE to God's Word which is how love to God and man is expressed. This is the same as how we express our faith by doing what God asks us to do.

to be continued...

 

[3rdAngel]

How is faith in Christ different? To hear, believe and follow. These are the criteria of faith that you have laid down as essential to pleasing God. I agree. But what is it that you hear, believe and follow? Is it a call to follow the law, or the Spirit of love? You seem to be hearing a call to follow the Ten Commandments, whereas I am hearing a call to follow the Spirit of love.

Thank you. I did ask you this question for a reason. So if God asks someone to do something and they do not do it then they do not have faith right? It is EVERY WORD THAT PROCEEDS OUT OF THE MOUTH OF GOD THAT WE ARE TO LIVE BY *MATTHEW 4:4 that demonstrates our faith that works by a new heart to love. It is God's 10 commandments that proceed out of the mouth of God that were directly spoken and written by God alone that is the very work of God that is our duty of LOVE to God and our fellow man *EXODUS 32:26; EXODUS 20:1-17 ( [1], And God spoke all these words, saying); DEUTERONOMY 6:5; LEVITICUS 19:18; MATTHEW 22:36-40. Now my dear brother can you see now? If God asks us to "REMEMBER THE SABBATH DAY TO KEEP IT A HOLY DAY" *EXODUS 20:8-11 and we do not REMEMBER and do not keep the SABBATH DAY as a HOLY day are we demonstrating our faith when God asks us to do something and we do not do it? Are we demonstrating our love to God by breaking his commandments and not following God's Word? Do we show we have faith by not doing what God asks us to do? May I ask dear brother Redemtionsong, do you love JESUS? (see JOHN 14:15).

to be continued...

 

[3rdAngel]

Is there a difference between walking by the law in faith, and walking by the Spirit in love? I believe there is a difference, because the law covers only the outward man, not his inward thoughts and passions. As I tried to argue before, Matthew 5 gives us some good examples of this.
'Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:
But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca [vain fellow], shall be in danger of the council; but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.'

Again, 'Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her in his heart.'

Simply conforming to the outward commandments laid out in the Ten Commandments does not cover all the sin that a man can commit. We each need to be changed on the inside, and this is a process that begins when we receive the Holy Spirit. Once received, we then have to learn to walk by the Spirit and allow the Spirit to sanctify us from the inside out. This is the Spirit rather than the letter of the law.

No, walking by the Spirit in love is the same as walking by faith in God's Word. God's Spirit is not separate from God's Word it works through God's Word as we believe it. Without JESUS (the Word of God) we can do nothing and if we do not have God's Spirit all we can do without JESUS is sin (nothing) *JOHN 15:4; GALATIANS 5:16; ROMANS 8:4. I think we discussed this elsewhere as MATTHEW 5 is a good example of JESUS magnifying the law prophecied in ISAIAH which is what I have been sharing with you already.

MATTHEW 5:20 is interesting because on the OUTSIDE the Scribes and Pharisees as JESUS taught appeared righteous to men. Outwardly blameless in regards to following God's 10 commandments but INWARDLY JESUS says they were full of SIN (breaking God's LAW) *MATTHEW 23:27-28. JESUS says; For I say unto you, that except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no wise enter into the kingdom of heaven *MATTHEW 5:20. The scripture in ISAIAH 42:21 was posted to show that JESUS came to teach the true meaning of God's LAW and that is it is to be applied to the ISIDE OUT not for OUT SIDE IN appearance to appear rightouess to men but inwardly full of SIN. God reads the HEART and KNOWS we are all sick with SIN *MATTHEW 15:19-20; MATTHEW 12:34-35; JEREMIAH 13:23; JEREMIAH 17:9-10; MATTHEW 15:19-20; JOHN 5:42 and in need of a Savior from SIN. Many do not know the meaning here MATTHEW 9:12-13.

This is leading to the NEW COVENANT PROMISE of a NEW HEART to LOVE *HEBREWS 8:10-12; JOHN 5:42; 1 JOHN 5:17-19; 1 JOHN 4:16; 1 JOHN 5:3; 1 JOHN 4:8.

We do not have the LOVE of GOD in us *JOHN 5:42. We need to be BORN OF GOD to LOVE *1 JOHN 4:7 and partake of the NEW COVENANT promise. This is why JESUS teaches in *JOHN 3:3-7 that UNLESS we are made CLEAN from the INSIDE OUT and BORN AGAIN to LOVE we cannot enter the KINGDOM of HEAVEN. This is what JESUS is talking about in MATTHEW 5:20 when discussing the Scribes and the Pharisees teaching the application of God's LAW from the INSIDE OUT. Whosoever is BORN of GOD to LOVE in the NEW COVENANT *HEBREWS 8:10-12 does not commit SIN *1 JOHN 3:9; ROMANS 13:8-10; JAMES 2:8-12; ROMANS 3:31; MATTHEW 22:36-40. This is the GOOD NEWS of the Gospels in the NEW COVENANT we have a SAVIOUR to save us from sin (not in sin) but we have to be made new to walk in God's Spirit *GALATIANS 5:16; ROMANS 8:1-4.

1 JOHN 3:3-10 is talking about all those who are BORN AGAIN to LOVE and it is LOVE that fulfills God's LAW in all those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD in the NEW COVENANT *HEBREWS 8:10-12; ROMANS 13:8-10. This results in a people that keep God's LAW (10 commandments) from the INSIDE OUT. *REVELATION 14:12; REVELATION 22:14; 1 JOHN 2:3-4; 1 JOHN 3:3-10; ROMANS 13:8-10; ROMANS 3:31; HEBREWS 8:10-12.

to be continued...

 

[3rdAngel]

What, you might ask, is the Spirit of the fourth commandment? Well, since this commandment is about loving God, I would say that a continual praise of God, seven days a week, is better than a one day praise. I would say that a continual rest in Christ is better than a one day rest from work. But where a physical rest from work is required, then take one, when you need it! [I don't mean illegally, or whilst at work!

The first four commandments are our duty of love to God and the second six our duty of love to our fellow man that which hang all the law and the prophets *MATTHEW 22:36-40; ROMANS 13:8-10; JAMES 2:8:12. Note very carefully the scriptures from the origin of the SABBATH from GENESIS and the commandment in EXODUS...

Letting the scriptures interpret the scriptures. We read in God's 4th commandment of the 10..

EXODUS 20:10 [10], But the SEVENTH DAY IS THE SABBATH of the LORD thy God;

This is a direct reference from God's Word defining what the Sabbath is; The SABBATH = the SEVENTH DAY OF THE WEEK. It is not saying that everyday is a Sabbath. This is a direct reference back to the creation week from when it was made as shown in v11.

EXODUS 20:11 [11], For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and RESTED THE SEVENTH DAY: wherefore the LORD BLESSED THE SABBATH, and MADE IT HOLY.

NOTE: It is the SEVENTH DAY (SABBATH) that God RESTED so the SABBATH defined as the SEVENTH DAY of the WEEK is GOD'S REST. NOTE EXODUS 20:11 is a direct reference back to GENESIS 2:1-3 which is a direct reference back to GENESIS 2:3 descibing the reason for GOD's 4th Commandment SEVENTH DAY SABBATH is that GOD BLESSED THE SABBATH (defined as the SEVENTH DAY in v10) and made it a HOLY DAY.

GENESIS 2:1-3 [1], Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
[2], And ON THE SEVENTH DAY God ended his work which he had made; and HE RESTED [שׁבת; shâbath H7673; KEEP SABBATH] on the SEVENTH DAY from all his work which he had made. [3], And GOD BLESSED THE SEVENTH DAY AND MADE IT HOLY: BECAUSE THAT IN IT HE HAD RESTED [שׁבת; shâbath H7673; Keep Sabbath] from all his work which God created and made.

NOTE: The reason for the Sabbath Commandment is to REMEMBER the God of creation. HE RESTED IS GOD'S REST (verb) which God's WORD says is the SEVENTH DAY OF THE WEEK WHICH IS CALLED SABBATH (noun), BLESSED the SEVENTH DAY OF THE WEEK and made it a HOLY DAY that no work is to be done. v11 Refers back to Genesis 2:1-3 and the origin of the Sabbath which is the SEVENTH DAY. v8 shows that this commandment is a MEMORIAL of creation v11 [the reason for the 4th commandment]. It is very clear as we look through the scriptures and let the scriptures interpret themselves that GOD MADE THE SEVENTH DAY SABBATH FOR MANKIND. It is also one of the 10 Commandments that give us the KNOWLEDGE of SIN when broken.

MARK 2:27-28 [27], And he said unto them, THE SABBATH WAS MADE FOR MAN, and not man for the sabbath:[28], so that the Son of man is LORD OF THE SABBATH (creator).

The GREEK word highlighted here for MAN in MARK 2:27 is ἄνθρωπος; anthrōpos (G444) which means HUMAN BEING or mankind (Adam and Eve).

CONCLUSION: The SABBATH as defined in God's Word as *EXODUS 20:10 is the SEVENTH DAY OF THE WEEK because God BLESSED the SEVENTH DAY and made it a HOLY DAY in EXODUS 20:11 repeating GENESIS 2:1-3. The Hebrew word for REST 7673 שָׁבַת shâbath, is the verb used for KEEPING THE SABBATH by RESTING. The person doing the RESTING was GOD the creator of heaven and earth. God's WORD also defines GOD'S REST therefore as the SEVENTH DAY SABBATH that God created for all mankind.

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Linking EXODUS 20:8-11 and GENESIS 2:1-3 to HEBREWS 4 and God's REST.

The CONTEXT that you ignore here is HEBREWS 4:1-5 which is discussing GOD'S REST the SEVENTH DAY SABBATH with reference back to GENENSIS 2:1-3. That is the REST we are to enter into. Those that did not enter into GOD'S REST (SEVENTH DAY SABBATH) did not enter into God's REST because of SIN and UNBELIEF in the gosple of God's WORD.

HEBREWS 4:1-11
[1], Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into HIS REST, any of you should seem to come short of it.
[2], For to us was the gospel preached, as well as to them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
[3], For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into MY REST: ALTHOUGH THE WORKS WERE FINISHED FROM THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD.
[4], FOR HE SPOKE IN A CERTAIN PLACE (GENSIS 2:1-3) OF THE SEVENTH DAY ON THIS WISE, AND GOD DID REST THE SEVENTH DAY FROM ALL HIS WORKS.
[5], And in this place again, If they shall enter into MY REST.

NOTE: CONTEXT is God's REST from the SEVENTH DAY SABBATH REST OF CREATION (v4-5) and those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW GOD's WORD enter into God's SABBATH REST as GOD did on the SEVENTH DAY of the week. CONTEXT is GOD's SEVENTH DAY SABBATH REST and those who BELIEVE AND FOLLOW GOD'S WORD enter into that rest which God's WORD defines as the SEVENTH DAY SABBATH which is GOD'S REST! Let's continue...

6], Seeing therefore it remains that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
[7], Again, he limits a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if you will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
[8], For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
[9], SO THEN IT REMAINS FOR THE PEOPLE OF GOD TO KEEP THE SABBATH.

Now notice Hebrews 4, verse 9: “There remains therefore a SABBATH rest to the people of God.” In verses 1, 3, 4 and 8, the Greek word for “rest” is katapausin. It means “rest.” But in verse 9, the Greek word for “rest” is sabbatismos, which is a Hebrew word—Sabbat, which means “the Sabbath”—combined with a Greek suffix—ismos, which means “a keeping of” or “a doing of.” Put together, sabbatismos means “a keeping of the Sabbath (noun).” When correctly translated, Hebrews 4:9 should read, “There remains therefore a keeping of the Sabbath to the people of God.” Sabbatizo is the verb form of sabbatismos

[10], For he that is entered into HIS REST (v9 God's SABBATH REST), he also has ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
[11], LET US LABOR THEREFORE TO ENTER INTO THAT REST (God's SEVENTH DAY SABBATH REST), lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief (HEBREWS 3).

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CONCLUSION: HEBREWS 4 is talking about the Gospel rest of BELIEVING and FOLLOWING God's WORD; v29 Learn of me; v30 my burden (doing) is light. This agrees with Hebrews 4:2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it. HEBREWS 4:1-11 is in reference to GOD'S REST which God's WORD defines is the SEVENTH DAY SABBATH which is the CONTEXT shown in HEBREWS 4:1-5. HEBREWS 4 therefore with context added is saying that no one enter God's Sabbath rest if they do not BELIEVE AND FOLLOW God's WORD.

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STRONGS CONCORDENCE
sabbatismos: a sabbath rest Definition: a sabbath rest Usage (DOING): a keeping of the Sabbath, a Sabbath rest.

HEBREWS 4:9 [9], SO THEN IT REMAINS FOR THE PEOPLE OF GOD TO KEEP THE SABBATH.

God bless

 

[3rdAngel]

@Redemptionsong take your time to read, understand and respond to the scriptures shared in these posts RS. Nice talking to you and my prayer is that you may receive these posts and scriptures in the spirit in which they have been shared with you.

God bless

 

[Redemptionsong]

We are in the NEW COVENANT now. Nearly all God's 10 commandments under the OLD COVENANT had the death penalty attached to them under the CIVIL laws of ISRAEL if they were broken not just God's 4th commandment *DEUTERONOMY 13:6-18; 1 SAMUEL 26:19; DEUTERONOMY 13:1-10; 17:2-5; 27:15; DEUTERONOMY 7:25-26; LEVITICUS 24:10-17; EXODUS 31:14-15; 35:2; LEVITICUS 20:9; DEUTERONOMY 21:18-21; EXODUS 21:17; EXODUS 21:12-14; LEVITICUS 20; JOHN 8:5; EXODUS 21:16; DEUTERONOMY 19:15-21. That was to teach God's people the wages of SIN (breaking any one of God's 10 commandments) is death as it does in the NEW COVENANT *ROMANS 6:23 although JESUS says vengence is mine at his 2nd coming *ROMANS 12:17-19; REVELATION 22:12.

Romans 6:23.' For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ out Lord.'

Exactly. The wages of sin is death. 'For without the law sin was dead.'[Romans 7:8] But the gift of God, which is the grace of His Spirit dwelling within us, is eternal life; 'for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been given by the law.' [Galatians 3:21]

We only live in the new covenant, the testament of Jesus Christ, if we walk by God's Spirit.

Romans 12:17-19 is a message to those who walk by love, and not under law. We are told not to take vengeance now, as one would do under the law, because we live by grace, and vengeance is to be left to Christ at his return. This passage does not overturn the law, which always has punishment to accompany it, but demonstrates the mercy of God towards sinners in this present age.

Rev. 22:12. 'And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according to his work shall be.'

Those who walk by faith in Jesus Christ are rewarded for their works of faith, as it says in James. Our faith brings the grace of the Spirit, the righteousness of Christ in us. It is works done in this Spirit that are rewarded.

There is no indication, in any of the scriptures you quote, that the law of the old covenant is ever to be separated from the punishments. When Christ took away the curse of the law, he provided people with something quite new - the Spirit of grace and righteousness. It comes with forgiveness, the mercy of God through Christ.

 

[2ndpillar]

Exactly. The wages of sin is death. 'For without the law sin was dead.'[Romans 7:8] But the gift of God, which is the grace of His Spirit dwelling within us, is eternal life; 'for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been given by the law.' [Galatians 3:21

"Every one will die for his own iniquity" (Jeremiah 31:30). Paul nor his followers have transformed from corruptible to incorruptible in a "twinkling of and eye". Paul is dead, as will be his followers. They are heading to "destruction" (Matthew 7:13). If one is born of the Spirit, they cannot sin (1 John 3:7). Whereas sin is transgression of the law. If one bears the unclean spirit of the false prophet, well, they will drink from the cup of the wrath of God. (Revelation 14:10).

 

[Redemptionsong]

@Redemptionsong take your time to read, understand and respond to the scriptures shared in these posts RS. Nice talking to you and my prayer is that you may receive these posts and scriptures in the spirit in which they have been shared with you.

God bless

3rdAngel, if I were to respond to every scripture that you quoted I would have to write a book!

I think we need to focus on the heart of the matter. To me this is the difference between living under the law and living by grace.

The question of sabbath observance is, to my understanding, linked closely with how we understand the message of the New Testament.

Hebrews chapter 4 is a prime example of how we differ in our interpretation of the scriptures. I believe that the context of chapter 4 makes it quite clear that this not about the commandment to keep the weekly sabbath, but about entering into God's rest, which only happens when we know Christ through the Spirit.

In Hebrews 4:6-10 it says, 'Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein [to God's rest], and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice [Christ's voice], harden not your hearts.
For if Jesus [Joshua] had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
There remaineth therefore a rest [keeping of the sabbath] to the people of God.
For he that is entered into his [Christ's] rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.'

Psalm 95:10,11. 'Forty years long was I grieved with this generation, and said, It is a people that do err in their heart, and they have not known my ways:
Unto whom I sware in my wrath that they should not enter into my rest.'

Deuteronomy 12:9. 'For ye are not as yet come to the rest and to the inheritance, which the LORD your God giveth you.'

What is the inheritance, the rest, that God has given us? It's certainly not the weekly sabbath! Therefore, it must be something much greater. The New Testament scriptures tell us that this rest is Christ in his resurrection. We know something of this rest now, through faith in Jesus Christ, and we shall know of it after death if we experience eternal life with Christ.

Hebrews chapter 4 ends with these words, 'Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.'

These are not the words of an apostle that wishes to see us return to bondage.
Galatians 5:1. 'Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.'

 

[Redemptionsong]

"Every one will die for his own iniquity" (Jeremiah 31:30). Paul nor his followers have transformed from corruptible to incorruptible in a "twinkling of and eye". Paul is dead, as will be his followers. They are heading to "destruction" (Matthew 7:13). If one is born of the Spirit, they cannot sin (1 John 3:7). Whereas sin is transgression of the law. If one bears the unclean spirit of the false prophet, well, they will drink from the cup of the wrath of God. (Revelation 14:10).

Paul is not dead, nor is he heading to destruction.

1 John 5:20. 'And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.'

 

[2ndpillar]

Paul is not dead, nor is he heading to destruction.

1 John 5:20. 'And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.'

Paul is not dead, nor is he heading to destruction.

1 John 5:20. 'And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.'

In a sense, Paul is alive as the unclean spirit of the false prophet of Revelation 19:20, but he died and decomposed in the flesh, supposedly killed by Nero. As for his permanent residence, according to Revelation 19:20, he has a date with the "lake of fire". As for those still alive whom he deceived along with the beast, they also supposedly have a date with "all the birds" (Rev 19:21). As for Paul's followers, many of them are dead, with many more to follow per Rev 19:21. Those born before 1900 are probably all dead. As your quote from 1 John, well, the "him", refers to the Word made flesh, in which the "Word" is the law and the prophets, which Paul's false gospel of grace, supposedly nailed to the cross. Keep in mind that the beast, Constantine, went out to "conquer" the world under the sign of the cross, which is the sign given to him by Sol Invictus/Apollo/Helios the sun god in 310 AD. Also keep in mind that Constantine built a basilica for his false prophet Paul. Constantine also built a basilica for the "worthless shepherd" (Zechariah 11:16-17), Peter, who the present pope claims to represent, as well as being "Christ on earth". The pope can claim what ever he chooses, and you can claim you will not die, and that Paul is not dead, but you have only your unsubstantiated beliefs to support your claim. Your claims and $5.00, will probably buy you a cup of coffee.

 

[Redemptionsong]

In a sense, Paul is alive as the unclean spirit of the false prophet of Revelation 19:20, but he died and decomposed in the flesh, supposedly killed by Nero. As for his permanent residence, according to Revelation 19:20, he has a date with the "lake of fire". As for those still alive whom he deceived along with the beast, they also supposedly have a date with "all the birds" (Rev 19:21). As for Paul's followers, many of them are dead, with many more to follow per Rev 19:21. Those born before 1900 are probably all dead. As your quote from 1 John, well, the "him", refers to the Word made flesh, in which the "Word" is the law and the prophets, which Paul's false gospel of grace, supposedly nailed to the cross. Keep in mind that the beast, Constantine, went out to "conquer" the world under the sign of the cross, which is the sign given to him by Sol Invictus/Apollo/Helios the sun god in 310 AD. Also keep in mind that Constantine built a basilica for his false prophet Paul. Constantine also built a basilica for the "worthless shepherd" (Zechariah 11:16-17), Peter, who the present pope claims to represent, as well as being "Christ on earth". The pope can claim what ever he chooses, and you can claim you will not die, and that Paul is not dead, but you have only your unsubstantiated beliefs to support your claim. Your claims and $5.00, will probably buy you a cup of coffee.

Here's what I think is a good response to your post.

'It is very common for 'advanced thinkers' to say that they do not believe the Bible as a whole to be the word of God, but they do accept the authority of Jesus Christ. Now, this statement is utterly illogical. For if we accept the authority of Jesus Christ, we must accept the whole Bible as being the Word of God, of divine origin, and of absolute divine authority.'
[Skip section]

'In Luke 24:27, we read that 'beginning at Moses and all the prophets, He [Jesus] expounded unto them in all the Scriptures the things concerning Himself.' It is evident from this that He regarded the testimony of the Old Testament as of divine origin. But still more plainly does he declare their absolute authority and inerrancy in the forty-fourth verse, by saying, 'All things must be fulfilled which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the Psalms, concerning me.'
It is a well-known fact that the Jew divided the books of the Old Testament into three divisions: the Law, the Prophets (the books we call prophetical and some of the historical books), and the Psalms (the remaining books of our Old Testament). Jesus here takes up each of these divisions, and sets His seal to its absolute divine authority, asserting 'all things' therein 'must be fulfilled.' So it is plain that if we accept the authority of Jesus Christ, we must accept the divine origin and authority of the entire Old Testament.
But what about the New Testament books? Does Jesus testify to their divine origin and authority? He does. This might appear at first thought impossible; for not a single one of the books was written until after Jesus had spoken His last word on earth. But when we turn to John 14:26 (R.V) we hear Him say to his apostles, 'The Comforter, even the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said unto you.' Here, then, Jesus testifies to the inspiration and completeness of the apostolic teaching.'
[Skip section]
'Jesus goes still further in His endorsement of the apostolic teaching. He says, 'I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit, when he, the Spirit of Truth, is come, he shall guide you into all the truth.' Here Jesus says that the teaching of the apostles would not only be as true as His own, but that it should be even more complete than His own. There were many things to be said which He must keep back in His personal ministry, for they were not yet ready for them, but when the Holy Spirit was come He would lead them 'into all the truth'.

[R.A.Torrey - The Divine Origin of the Bible]

We sometimes find people on this forum attempting to break the tie between Paul and Jesus, but this is a mistake. Paul was a chosen apostle of Jesus Christ. This is confirmed by Peter and the other apostles.[Acts 15]

Ananias, who was sent to restore Paul's sight, 'a devout man according to the law' said, prophetically, to Paul, 'The God of our Fathers hath chosen thee, that thou shouldest know his will, and see that Just One, and shouldest hear the voice of his mouth.' [Acts 22:14]

Paul heard the voice of Jesus Christ, as clearly as any of the twelve apostles. He also knew the will of Christ through the indwelling Holy Spirit. It is, therefore, a nonsense to speak of Paul as the enemy of God.

 

[3rdAngel]

3rdAngel, if I were to respond to every scripture that you quoted I would have to write a book!

I think we need to focus on the heart of the matter. To me this is the difference between living under the law and living by grace.

The question of sabbath observance is, to my understanding, linked closely with how we understand the message of the New Testament.

Hebrews chapter 4 is a prime example of how we differ in our interpretation of the scriptures. I believe that the context of chapter 4 makes it quite clear that this not about the commandment to keep the weekly sabbath, but about entering into God's rest, which only happens when we know Christ through the Spirit.

In Hebrews 4:6-10 it says, 'Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein [to God's rest], and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice [Christ's voice], harden not your hearts.
For if Jesus [Joshua] had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
There remaineth therefore a rest [keeping of the sabbath] to the people of God.
For he that is entered into his [Christ's] rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.'

Psalm 95:10,11. 'Forty years long was I grieved with this generation, and said, It is a people that do err in their heart, and they have not known my ways:
Unto whom I sware in my wrath that they should not enter into my rest.'

Deuteronomy 12:9. 'For ye are not as yet come to the rest and to the inheritance, which the LORD your God giveth you.'

What is the inheritance, the rest, that God has given us? It's certainly not the weekly sabbath! Therefore, it must be something much greater. The New Testament scriptures tell us that this rest is Christ in his resurrection. We know something of this rest now, through faith in Jesus Christ, and we shall know of it after death if we experience eternal life with Christ.

Hebrews chapter 4 ends with these words, 'Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.'

These are not the words of an apostle that wishes to see us return to bondage.
Galatians 5:1. 'Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.'

Oh goodness. Your response here only shows me you did not even bother to read the posts shared with you as the content of this post is not relevant to what was posted to you and states the opposite of your claims here. Your simply repeating things already addressed with the scriptures while ignoring the scriptures that has been shared with you. If you did not want to have a discussion just say so. I am sure we both have better things to do with our time. Ignoring God's Word does not make it disappear.

 

[2ndpillar]

Here's what I think is a good response to your post.

'It is very common for 'advanced thinkers' to say that they do not believe the Bible as a whole to be the word of God, but they do accept the authority of Jesus Christ. Now, this statement is utterly illogical. For if we accept the authority of Jesus Christ, we must accept the whole Bible as being the Word of God, of divine origin, and of absolute divine authority.'
[Skip section]

'In Luke 24:27, we read that 'beginning at Moses and all the prophets, He [Jesus] expounded unto them in all the Scriptures the things concerning Himself.' It is evident from this that He regarded the testimony of the Old Testament as of divine origin. But still more plainly does he declare their absolute authority and inerrancy in the forty-fourth verse, by saying, 'All things must be fulfilled which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the Psalms, concerning me.'
It is a well-known fact that the Jew divided the books of the Old Testament into three divisions: the Law, the Prophets (the books we call prophetical and some of the historical books), and the Psalms (the remaining books of our Old Testament). Jesus here takes up each of these divisions, and sets His seal to its absolute divine authority, asserting 'all things' therein 'must be fulfilled.' So it is plain that if we accept the authority of Jesus Christ, we must accept the divine origin and authority of the entire Old Testament.
But what about the New Testament books? Does Jesus testify to their divine origin and authority? He does. This might appear at first thought impossible; for not a single one of the books was written until after Jesus had spoken His last word on earth. But when we turn to John 14:26 (R.V) we hear Him say to his apostles, 'The Comforter, even the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said unto you.' Here, then, Jesus testifies to the inspiration and completeness of the apostolic teaching.'
[Skip section]
'Jesus goes still further in His endorsement of the apostolic teaching. He says, 'I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit, when he, the Spirit of Truth, is come, he shall guide you into all the truth.' Here Jesus says that the teaching of the apostles would not only be as true as His own, but that it should be even more complete than His own. There were many things to be said which He must keep back in His personal ministry, for they were not yet ready for them, but when the Holy Spirit was come He would lead them 'into all the truth'.

[R.A.Torrey - The Divine Origin of the Bible]

We sometimes find people on this forum attempting to break the tie between Paul and Jesus, but this is a mistake. Paul was a chosen apostle of Jesus Christ. This is confirmed by Peter and the other apostles.[Acts 15]

Ananias, who was sent to restore Paul's sight, 'a devout man according to the law' said, prophetically, to Paul, 'The God of our Fathers hath chosen thee, that thou shouldest know his will, and see that Just One, and shouldest hear the voice of his mouth.' [Acts 22:14]

Paul heard the voice of Jesus Christ, as clearly as any of the twelve apostles. He also knew the will of Christ through the indwelling Holy Spirit. It is, therefore, a nonsense to speak of Paul as the enemy of God.

And who is Luke? And who wrote Acts? Were they apostles chosen by God? As far as the prophets and Paul, Zechariah clearly states that the Lord will choose 3 shepherds, one of who is clearly Judas Iscariot as shown in Matthew 27:9-10 which quoted Zech 11:12-13 with respect to Judas, and they were to be annihilated in the same "month"/generation (month of years). Peter would be the 3rd shepherd, the "worthless shepherd" who "leaves the flock" as apparently Peter left the Jews and turned to the Gentiles. Paul would be the first shepherd mentioned, who was called "Favor", as in his new gospel being the false gospel of grace, and who would break the covenant with the people, which is the covenant given to Abraham, as father of the people, which was circumcision. As for Paul hearing and seeing anything, apparently he was blind and didn't know who was speaking,other than an angel of light. According to Paul, Satan comes as an angel of light. As for Ananias, who was he, and who told this story. There seems to have been plenty of guys called Ananias. Apparently the Spirit of God killed one of them for lying to Peter, at least according to some unknown author. Another apparently condemned Yeshua to death. No, I think your evidence is lacking. You will know them by their fruits, and the fruit of Peter and Paul's churches have been highly tainted over the following millennium.(Matthew 7:16-19). If the tree does not produce good fruit it will be cut down and thrown into the fire. Without good fruit even the repentant Pharisees will cut down and thrown into the fire (Matthew 3:11).

 

[lostwanderingsoul]

OK Forget about laws and commandments and old and new covenants. God created the universe in six days. He rested on the seventh and blessed that seventh day. He asks that we honor that seventh day. Now some people say that we do not really know which day is the seventh. That may be true. So if you really believe that Sunday is the seventh day, then honor Sunday. If you really believe that Wednesday is the seventh day , then honor Wednesday. My problem is that many churches openly and freely proclaim that the first day of the week is the Lord's day or Christian sabbath or some other name. If God rested on the seventh day and wants us to honor that day, how can anyone say they honor the first day? Again, pick which day you believe is the seventh day and honor that day. Do not say you honor the first day. That is not what God wants. Go to church any day you want. Pick any day you believe is the seventh day. But do not say you are honoring God by respecting the first day of the week. If you want to honor the seventh day and the Lord's day, then do it. If you rest three days a week and go to church four days, that is great. But if you do not remember the seventh day and keep it holy, then you are not doing what God wants It has nothing to do with laws and commandments. It is about respect for God and what He wants.