"THE LORD'S DAY IS THE SABBATH DAY NOT SUNDAY ACCORDING TO SCRIPTURES

[Subduction Zone]

And yet, you have produced not a smidgeon of evidence of these claims of yours. Could it be that you would like this to be so, and are as is usual, in the process of convincing yourself that it is so?


Answering questions don’t seem to interest you either. I’ve added another one (You just can’t help yourself, can you?):

1. Let’s see some evidence of your claim that I am ‘continually rude’.
2. What is your definition of the word ‘rude’.
3. Please provide evidence for your claim that I was rude for an extremely extended period of time.
4. Why do you assume that I think what you think I think?
5. Is everyone who ever uses a

being rude?
6. Why do you assume that I am ‘fretting’?

Time to stop running, SZ.

Evidence was provided when the claims were first made. You keep stewing and fretting about your past losses. I told you from the start that I don't play the wayback game. It is time to try to learn from your mistakes.

Try again. Since you can't seem to follow a conversation you should ask only one question per post. Then you might understand the answer.

 

[lostwanderingsoul]

Well, no. they don’t actually, Soapy. Here’s why:

God is Triune; there are within the Godhead three Persons; the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost; and the work of salvation is one in which all three act together, the Father purposing redemption, the Son securing it, and the Spirit applying it.

The Son is subject to the Father, for the Son is sent by the Father in the Father’s Name. The Spirit is subject to the Father for the Spirit is sent by the Father in the Son’s name. The Spirit is subject to the Son as well as to the Father, for the Spirit is sent by the Son as well as by the Father.


Knowing God, Inter-Varsity Press, 1973, p. 70.

This sounds like God is cut up into pieces and some pieces are more important than other pieces. How can than if true if God is ONE?

 

[Soapy]

Well, no. they don’t actually, Soapy. Here’s why:

God is Triune; there are within the Godhead three Persons; the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost; and the work of salvation is one in which all three act together, the Father purposing redemption, the Son securing it, and the Spirit applying it.

The Son is subject to the Father, for the Son is sent by the Father in the Father’s Name. The Spirit is subject to the Father for the Spirit is sent by the Father in the Son’s name. The Spirit is subject to the Son as well as to the Father, for the Spirit is sent by the Son as well as by the Father.


Knowing God, Inter-Varsity Press, 1973, p. 70.

I know you do not know anything about what you just said. It’s pure trinitarian ideology and makes no sense at all. Every trinitarian has a version of trinity that has its roots in Roman Catholicism and preach different things as each trinity ideology is proved impossible.

The rhetoric in your post comes from the fact that over centuries the trinity has proved to be false but each false claim gives rise to an excuse or get-out alternative claim.

In claiming that the Father is above the other two the first rule of trinity is broken in that it shows that the three are not equal - which would be the case if they ‘shared the same essence’ (‘Essence’, an undefined term in trinity which claims how the three are equal!!)

The spirit of God is not sent in Jesus’ name … where did you make that up from? The spirit of God is sent by God as a gift to the apostles. I’m sure you know the scripture verses that attest to this truth.

Jesus is subordinate to God because Jesus is a human being like every being created by God. Jesus proved to be sinless and holy even under extreme temptation and fully carries out the works of God… thus God ‘adopted’ him as ‘Spiritual Son’ (which is to say, ‘He who does all that the Father commands him to do!)

I can see that none of this is taught to you and your understanding is so lacking that this line of discussion is of any use to you.

But, you may want to consider:

1. Why Jesus did no miracles before he was anointed by God
2. Why he WAS anointed by God
3. What exactly does it mean to be ‘Sent by God’ - consider that Jesus says he ‘sends’ the apostles just as the Father sent him (you know the verse where Jesus says this)
4. What it means to be ‘Son of God’ and who else is/was ‘Son of God’ in spirit or flesh
5. What Acts 10:37-38 means in relation to John 10:36
6. Why Jesus disputed with the Jews a claim of ‘being God’ and referred to himself as ‘only calling God his Father … ‘ because he was doing the works of God (oops! I just defined again the term ‘Son of God’)
7. …
8. Why does Jesus become ruler over the created world when God remains ruler over Heaven

I’m not asking you to answer but consider them only in light of your catholic teaching.

 

[3rdAngel]

This sounds like God is cut up into pieces and some pieces are more important than other pieces. How can than if true if God is ONE?

I do not really want to stray too far away from the OP here which is on "the Lords day" not being Sunday but the Sabbath day. However, I am in disagreement with Soapy here. As the scriptures clearly show that Jesus is the God of creation and that Jesus was at creation with God and was God (see John 1:1-4; 14, there are too many other scripture). Also, the word "one" is also used in reference to one in purpose and in mind, in relation the God head. Everything I have shared here I can prove with the scriptures by showing the oneness of God being plural in application in the Hebrew and Greek that is determined by the scripture contexts. I believe people get confused on this topic because when Jesus was God, He came to live as a man in the flesh (John 1:1-4; 14) he came to live as a man to fulfill all righteousness to be our example and to die as a man as Gods' perfect sacrifice for the sins of the whole world. He did not come to live as a God on the earth but as a man for our example and benefit as God's perfect sacrifice for the sins of the world once and for all. Jesus did not give up being God but became a man teaching us how to follow God. Jesus as God took the form of a man and is now forever more, God in human form seated at the right hand of God ever making intercession for us.

 

[samtonga43]

Evidence was provided when the claims were first made.

You know, SZ, you have said those words so often that I wouldn’t be surprised if you have convinced yourself that they embody truth. Quite sad, if one really thinks about it.

You keep stewing and fretting about your past losses.

Evidence of what you call my ‘past losses’?
Evidence that I am stewing and fretting?

I told you from the start that I don't play the wayback game. It is time to try to learn from your mistakes.

You are running away from the following questions, SZ. I don’t think that even you could describe them as ‘wayback’. A few days ago at the most, I would say. The last one a few hours ago. So no more lame excuses…

1. Let’s see some evidence of your claim that I am ‘continually rude’.
2. What is your definition of the word ‘rude’.
3. Please provide evidence for your claim that I was rude for an extremely extended period of time.
4. Why do you assume that I think what you think I think?
5. Is everyone who ever uses a being rude?
6. Please provide evidence that I keep ‘stewing and fretting’ about my past losses?

Try again. Since you can't seem to follow a conversation you should ask only one question per post. Then you might understand the answer.

Oh, look! Here’s another up-to-the-minute claim just begging for evidence:
Please provide evidence that I can’t follow a conversation, SZ.

 

[lostwanderingsoul]

I do not really want to stray too far away from the OP here which is on "the Lords day" not being Sunday but the Sabbath day. However, I am in disagreement with Soapy here. As the scriptures clearly show that Jesus is the God of creation and that Jesus was at creation with God and was God (see John 1:1-4; 14, there are too many other scripture). Also, the word "one" is also used in reference to one in purpose and in mind, in relation the God head. Everything I have shared here I can prove with the scriptures by showing the oneness of God being plural in application in the Hebrew and Greek that is determined by the scripture contexts. I believe people get confused on this topic because when Jesus was God, He came to live as a man in the flesh (John 1:1-4; 14) he came to live as a man to fulfill all righteousness to be our example and to die as a man as Gods' perfect sacrifice for the sins of the whole world. He did not come to live as a God on the earth but as a man for our example and benefit as God's perfect sacrifice for the sins of the world once and for all. Jesus did not give up being God but became a man teaching us how to follow God. Jesus as God took the form of a man and is now forever more, God in human form seated at the right hand of God ever making intercession for us.

Great idea. Let's get back to the OP. The Lord's Day. Isaiah 13:9 says that on the day of the Lord he will destroy sinners. Ezekiel 30:3 says the Lord's day is a time of the heathen. Amos 5 :18 says the day of the Lord is a day of darkness. None of this sounds like it has anything to do with woeshiping on Sunday instead of Saturday. So what really is the day of the Lord?

 

[Subduction Zone]

You know, SZ, you have said those words so often that I wouldn’t be surprised if you have convinced yourself that they embody truth. Quite sad, if one really thinks about it.

Evidence of what you call my ‘past losses’?
Evidence that I am stewing and fretting?

You are running away from the following questions, SZ. I don’t think that even you could describe them as ‘wayback’. A few days ago at the most, I would say. The last one a few hours ago. So no more lame excuses…

1. Let’s see some evidence of your claim that I am ‘continually rude’.
2. What is your definition of the word ‘rude’.
3. Please provide evidence for your claim that I was rude for an extremely extended period of time.
4. Why do you assume that I think what you think I think?
5. Is everyone who ever uses a being rude?
6. Please provide evidence that I keep ‘stewing and fretting’ about my past losses?

Oh, look! Here’s another up-to-the-minute claim just begging for evidence:
Please provide evidence that I can’t follow a conversation, SZ.

Why do you feel the need to fret over your past losses and why do you break up posts excessively? It is time for you to move on. Your questions were answered. Right now you are "running away" by not moving on.

 

[samtonga43]

This sounds like God is cut up into pieces and some pieces are more important than other pieces. How can than if true if God is ONE?

It doesn't sound like this to me.
To me, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are consubstantial (Greek: homoousios).

This shared essence is a divine one, which implies (to me) that all three named individuals (Father, Son, Holy Spirit) are divine, and equally so.

These Three "are" the One God of the Bible.

Sometimes expressed as One Being, Three Persons.

 

[3rdAngel]

Great idea. Let's get back to the OP. The Lord's Day. Isaiah 13:9 says that on the day of the Lord he will destroy sinners. Ezekiel 30:3 says the Lord's day is a time of the heathen. Amos 5 :18 says the day of the Lord is a day of darkness. None of this sounds like it has anything to do with woeshiping on Sunday instead of Saturday. So what really is the day of the Lord?

Yes that however is not a reference to Revelation 1:10 which is according to the Lords ownership of the day not the second coming. This can be proven in the scripture context which has John in the presence of Jesus in the heavenly Sanctuary (seven golden candlesticks). The OP proves that "the Lords day" according to Jesus is the Sabbath day as shown in Matthew 12:8 and other scriptures already provided in the OP.

The term "the Lord's day" was used by some in the early Church as a reference to Sunday worship in celebration of the resurrection of Jesus. It comes from a scripture in the bible found in Revelation 1

• REVELATION 1:10 10, I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet

The Greek words used for the day that JOHN was in the Spirit of is the for Lord's day are

• REVELATION 1:10 εγενομην εν πνευματι εν τη κυριακη ημερα και ηκουσα οπισω μου φωνην μεγαλην ως σαλπιγγος

The word "κυριακη" (translit. "kuriake") is an Adjective - Dative - Singular - Feminine. This means it is being used as a 'possessive' as ownership or belonging to ("of", see 1 Corinthians 11:20, "the Lord's supper"), which means the "day" in context belongs to "the Lord". It is literally "the Lord's (belonging to) day". This means, that the "day" in context is uniquely "the Lord's" out of all the 7 days of the week, for the day under consideration is that which exists within the week, as a day which repeats weekly. This is extremely important, as those who incorrectly assume it to mean "the first [day] of the week" in lieu of Jesus' resurrection, cannot get a weekly occurrence out of a one-time event, in fulfillment of typology of the Firstfruit/Wavesheaf in Leviticus 23:9-14, as made known in 1 Corinthians 15:20,23

The problem here however is that there is not a single scripture that references Sunday or the first day of the week (bible names for the days of the week) to being "the Lords day" in scripture.

According to the scripture "the Lords day" however can be referenced to "the Sabbath day" of Gods' 4th commandment found in Exodus 20:8-11.

Letting the scriptures answer this question

• WHAT DAY IS THE LORD'S DAY ACCORDING TO THE SCRIPTURES?

• MATTHEW 12:8 FOR THE SON OF MAN IS LORD EVEN OF THE SABBATH DAY

This then promotes a bit of a dilemma for the Church as there is not a single scripture in all of the bible that days "the Lords day" from Revelation 1:10 is Sunday. Yet there is many scriptures referencing "the Lords day" or Gods' specific claims to ownership of any particular day to the Sabbath day that he blessed and set aside as a holy day of rest for a memorial of creation (see Genesis 2:1-3) and made one of Gods' 10 commandments (Exodus 20:8-11).

God's "ownership" of the Sabbath day or "Lord's day is also repeated elsewhere as "MY" (ownership of the day as in the Greek used in REVELATION 1:10 κυριακη). Other scriptures in the bible pointing to "the Lords day" as being the Sabbath day...

• MATTHEW 12:8 FOR THE SON OF MAN IS LORD EVEN OF THE SABBATH DAY. (the Sabbath day is Lord's day)

• ISAIAH 58:13-14 [13], If you turn away your foot from the SABBATH, from doing your pleasure on MY HOLY DAY (God's claim to ownership of the Sabbath day); and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honorable; and shall honor him, not doing your own ways, nor finding your own pleasure, nor speaking your own words: [14], Then shall you delight yourself in the LORD; and I will cause you to ride on the high places of the earth, and feed you with the heritage of Jacob your father: for the mouth of the LORD has spoken it.

• LEVITICUS 19:30 You shall keep MY SABBATHS, (God's claim to ownership of the Sabbath day)and reverence my sanctuary: I am the LORD.

• EZEKIEL 20:12 Moreover also I gave them MY SABBATHS, (God's claim to ownership of the Sabbath day) to be a sign between me and them, that they might know that I am the LORD that sanctify them.

κυριακῇ ἡμέρᾳ used in Revelations 1:10 is in reference to the Lord's ownership of the day. It does not say that this day is in reference to μιά των σαββάτων which means the FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK.

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Your challenge here in this OP is to prove from the scriptures alone that the Lord's DAY is in reference to the First day of the week. If you cannot all you have is a teaching and tradition of men that is not supported in the scriptures. There is not a single scripture in all the bible that refers to Sunday as being "the Lords day".

May God bless you as you seek Him through His Word.

 

[Soapy]

Yes that however is not a reference to Revelation 1:10 which is according to the Lords ownership of the day not the second coming. This can be proven in the scripture context which has John in the presence of Jesus in the heavenly Sanctuary (seven golden candlesticks). The OP proves that "the Lords day" according to Jesus is the Sabbath day as shown in Matthew 12:8 and other scriptures already provided in the OP.

The term "the Lord's day" was used by some in the early Church as a reference to Sunday worship in celebration of the resurrection of Jesus. It comes from a scripture in the bible found in Revelation 1

• REVELATION 1:10 10, I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet

The Greek words used for the day that JOHN was in the Spirit of is the for Lord's day are

• REVELATION 1:10 εγενομην εν πνευματι εν τη κυριακη ημερα και ηκουσα οπισω μου φωνην μεγαλην ως σαλπιγγος

The word "κυριακη" (translit. "kuriake") is an Adjective - Dative - Singular - Feminine. This means it is being used as a 'possessive' as ownership or belonging to ("of", see 1 Corinthians 11:20, "the Lord's supper"), which means the "day" in context belongs to "the Lord". It is literally "the Lord's (belonging to) day". This means, that the "day" in context is uniquely "the Lord's" out of all the 7 days of the week, for the day under consideration is that which exists within the week, as a day which repeats weekly. This is extremely important, as those who incorrectly assume it to mean "the first [day] of the week" in lieu of Jesus' resurrection, cannot get a weekly occurrence out of a one-time event, in fulfillment of typology of the Firstfruit/Wavesheaf in Leviticus 23:9-14, as made known in 1 Corinthians 15:20,23

The problem here however is that there is not a single scripture that references Sunday or the first day of the week (bible names for the days of the week) to being "the Lords day" in scripture.

According to the scripture "the Lords day" however can be referenced to "the Sabbath day" of Gods' 4th commandment found in Exodus 20:8-11.

Letting the scriptures answer this question

• WHAT DAY IS THE LORD'S DAY ACCORDING TO THE SCRIPTURES?

• MATTHEW 12:8 FOR THE SON OF MAN IS LORD EVEN OF THE SABBATH DAY

This then promotes a bit of a dilemma for the Church as there is not a single scripture in all of the bible that days "the Lords day" from Revelation 1:10 is Sunday. Yet there is many scriptures referencing "the Lords day" or Gods' specific claims to ownership of any particular day to the Sabbath day that he blessed and set aside as a holy day of rest for a memorial of creation (see Genesis 2:1-3) and made one of Gods' 10 commandments (Exodus 20:8-11).

God's "ownership" of the Sabbath day or "Lord's day is also repeated elsewhere as "MY" (ownership of the day as in the Greek used in REVELATION 1:10 κυριακη). Other scriptures in the bible pointing to "the Lords day" as being the Sabbath day...

• MATTHEW 12:8 FOR THE SON OF MAN IS LORD EVEN OF THE SABBATH DAY. (the Sabbath day is Lord's day)

• ISAIAH 58:13-14 [13], If you turn away your foot from the SABBATH, from doing your pleasure on MY HOLY DAY (God's claim to ownership of the Sabbath day); and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honorable; and shall honor him, not doing your own ways, nor finding your own pleasure, nor speaking your own words: [14], Then shall you delight yourself in the LORD; and I will cause you to ride on the high places of the earth, and feed you with the heritage of Jacob your father: for the mouth of the LORD has spoken it.

• LEVITICUS 19:30 You shall keep MY SABBATHS, (God's claim to ownership of the Sabbath day)and reverence my sanctuary: I am the LORD.

• EZEKIEL 20:12 Moreover also I gave them MY SABBATHS, (God's claim to ownership of the Sabbath day) to be a sign between me and them, that they might know that I am the LORD that sanctify them.

κυριακῇ ἡμέρᾳ used in Revelations 1:10 is in reference to the Lord's ownership of the day. It does not say that this day is in reference to μιά των σαββάτων which means the FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK.

............................

Your challenge here in this OP is to prove from the scriptures alone that the Lord's DAY is in reference to the First day of the week. If you cannot all you have is a teaching and tradition of men that is not supported in the scriptures. There is not a single scripture in all the bible that refers to Sunday as being "the Lords day".

May God bless you as you seek Him through His Word.

So, in effect, we are back where we started … that no one knows exactly, from the scriptures alone, what “The Lord’s Day” is.

But another question arises: ‘Does it matter’?

 

[3rdAngel]

So, in effect, we are back where we started … that no one knows exactly, from the scriptures alone, what “The Lord’s Day” is.

But another question arises: ‘Does it matter’?

No not at all. The post you are quoting from that you are not responsive to shows that "the Lords day" according to the scriptures is the Sabbath day. If you are in disagreement with the post you are responding to you are welcome to show why you disagree with the scriptures and the post content that are in disagreement with you if you like so we can discuss the scriptures in detail. As to your question? Yes it does matter. It matters because people try to claim that "the Lords day" is referring to Sunday worship replacing Gods' 4th commandment which is not supported in the bible. Sunday as a replacement for Gods' 4th commandment is a man-made teaching and traditions that has led many away from God and His Word to break the commandments or God against the very warnings of Jesus in Matthew 15:3-9.

 

[samtonga43]

Why do you feel the need to fret over your past losses

Why do you ASSUME that I feel the need to fret over what you call my 'past losses' .

and why do you break up posts excessively?

To help you understand.

It is time for you to move on.

You first. (Not an attack)

Your questions were answered.

In your dreams.

Right now you are "running away" by not moving on.

On the contrary. You are running away by refusing to admit that, were you to answer my questions, you would be exposed. Here they are again - my unanswered questions:

1. Let’s see some evidence of your claim that I am ‘continually rude’.
2. What is your definition of the word ‘rude’.
3. Please provide evidence for your claim that I was rude for an extremely extended period of time.
4. Why do you assume that I think what you think I think?
5. Is everyone who ever uses a being rude?
6. Please provide evidence that I keep ‘stewing and fretting’ about my past losses?
7. Please provide evidence that I can’t follow a conversation.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Why do you ASSUME that I feel the need to fret over what you call my 'past losses' .

To help you understand.

You first. (Not an attack)

In your dreams.

On the contrary. You are running away by refusing to admit that, were you to answer my questions, you would be exposed. Here they are again - my unanswered questions:

1. Let’s see some evidence of your claim that I am ‘continually rude’.
2. What is your definition of the word ‘rude’.
3. Please provide evidence for your claim that I was rude for an extremely extended period of time.
4. Why do you assume that I think what you think I think?
5. Is everyone who ever uses a being rude?
6. Please provide evidence that I keep ‘stewing and fretting’ about my past losses?
7. Please provide evidence that I can’t follow a conversation.

You still don't get it. Right now it only looks as if you are trolling.

 

[lostwanderingsoul]

So, in effect, we are back where we started … that no one knows exactly, from the scriptures alone, what “The Lord’s Day” is.

But another question arises: ‘Does it matter’?

Does it matter? I can't say yes or no. But God worked 6 days and rested on the seventh day. He made the seventh day holy. Only God can make something holy. Man came along and said he was going to worship on the first day. I think you can worship anytime you want to. Maybe several days a week. But man cannot change the fact that God made the seventh day holy. So, does it matter?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Does it matter? I can't say yes or no. But God worked 6 days and rested on the seventh day. He made the seventh day holy. Only God can make something holy. Man came along and said he was going to worship on the first day. I think you can worship anytime you want to. Maybe several days a week. But man cannot change the fact that God made the seventh day holy. So, does it matter?

Did he though? One should not conflate what the Bible says with what actually happened. The Earth is far older than some Christians believe it to be. It was not made in six twenty four hour periods. There was no "first day". It is a meaningless term when it comes to how the Earth was formed.

 

[3rdAngel]

Does it matter? I can't say yes or no. But God worked 6 days and rested on the seventh day. He made the seventh day holy. Only God can make something holy. Man came along and said he was going to worship on the first day. I think you can worship anytime you want to. Maybe several days a week. But man cannot change the fact that God made the seventh day holy. So, does it matter?

That is not exactly how it goes though. God blessed and made "the seventh day" of he week a holy day of rest according to the scriptures as a memorial of creation for all mankind and commands us as His people to keep the "seventh day" as a holy day of rest as a memorial of His creation where no work is to be done (see Genesis 2:1-3; Mark 2:27 and Exodus 20:8-11). According to the scriptures God's Sabbath is not everyday of the week. The Sabbath is the "seventh day" of the week (see Exodus 20:10).

Happy New Year for 2023 (my time).

 

[samtonga43]

You still don't get it. Right now it only looks as if you are trolling.

Oh, I 'get it', SZ. Anyone reading this will 'get it'.
You are unable to answer even one of my questions, So you run away.

Oh, and here comes another false claim. Please show me where I have maliciously harassed, attacked, or cyberbullied others. And don't run away again!

 

[Subduction Zone]

Oh, I 'get it', SZ. Anyone reading this will 'get it'.
You are unable to answer even one of my questions, So you run away.

Oh, and here comes another false claim. Please show me where I have maliciously harassed, attacked, or cyberbullied others. And don't run away again!

They would of course have to look back a few posts, but yes, they will get it.

I answered your question. You really could not even ask proper ones. After you failed I don't know how many times I told you that I was done playing that game. Meanwhile all you can do is fret about your past losses. Let them go and I will let them go.

I predict that you will not let it go.

 

[samtonga43]

I predict that you will not let it go.

I predict that you cannot let it go.
You continue to pretend that you have answered my questions, in spite of the fact that there are no answers to be seen.

You say that you are not playing the game of answering questions. Translation? SZ closes his eyes and stamps his foot .............. and loses again.


“How 'bout a shot of truth in that denial cocktail.”
― Jennifer Salaiz

 

[Subduction Zone]

I predict that you cannot let it go.
You continue to pretend that you have answered my questions, in spite of the fact that there are no answers to be seen.

You say that you are not playing the game of answering questions. Translation? SZ closes his eyes and stamps his foot .............. and loses again.


“How 'bout a shot of truth in that denial cocktail.”
― Jennifer Salaiz

LOL!! Too late! You fulfilled my prophecy! Your questions were answered. You did not like the answers. You did not learn from your errors.