The masked truth....

[Quetzal]

Same thing with not wearing a mask?

The key difference being that if you don't wear a mask, you can infect innocent by standers.

 

[Quetzal]

But then again, all it really requires is that we change the way we think. Is that really that hard? Especially when nearly all of us would benefit from it?

This is good, I appreciate optimistic solutions.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I think there is always hope for change. Humans CAN learn, even if they are not often so inclined.

But you begin by saying none of us have.

But then again, all it really requires is that we change the way we think. Is that really that hard?

This is why people are taking such objections. You assume you knkw how we think. You assume we haven't changed. You assume we haven't thought things out. Instead you just want to call us all guilty, lump us all together, and put us all into this little box labeles "guitly."
"If the glove doesnt fit," and in this case your trying to say its a one-size fits all perfect glove.

 

[PureX]

If everyone is the problem, then it should be called "normal".
I reserve the word "problem" for things which aren't universal & inherent.

But universal and inherent doesn't mean inevitable. Think of it as a disease. Many diseases are "universal and inherent" to humans. But that does not mean they are inevitable. They can still be eradicated. But it takes will, and effort. Meanwhile, you seem to be saying that this is exactly what we should not bother applying, because these diseases are "normal" and so are not, in your mind, a "problem". Even though they cause an enormous amount of suffering and death.

Doesn't this strike you as a very brutal course of reasoning?

 

[ecco]

I notice that post didn't quote any of my statements about Trump.
Had you done that, you could address the issues, instead of just
lobbing unsupported ad hominems.

Actually, I was in a conversation with Evangelicalhumanist and stated...

People were stupid before Donnie. They are the ones who voted for him.
But, you are right. He is making more people stupider.

You chimed in with a derogatory comment about Trump's 2016 opponent - Hillary Clinton.

I'm not detecting superior gray matter in those of you who
preferred the incompetent, corrupt, war mongering alternative.

​

Why would someone feel so moved by rocks (pebbles really) thrown at Trump Supporters if one was not a Trump supporter?

Why would someone feel so moved by rocks (pebbles really) thrown at Trump if one was not a Trump supporter?

You can't hide from your own comments. But you continue to try. How silly.

FWIW: I am not the only person to point this out to you.

 

[ecco]

Because assigning guilt with such a huge, broad brush is so productive and useful.

My reading of @PureX's comments is not that he is broad-brushing guilt. My reading is that he is trying to get people to understand their responsibilities to their fellow humans.

 

[Revoltingest]

But universal and inherent doesn't mean inevitable. Think of it as a disease. Many diseases are "universal and inherent" to humans. But that does not mean they are inevitable. They can still be eradicated. But it takes will, and effort. Meanwhile, you seem to be saying that this is exactly what we should not bother applying, because these diseases are "normal". And so are not, in your mind, a "problem". Even though they cause an enormous amount of suffering and death.

What you call "disease", I call human nature.
We can make improvements where we can,
but the human remains. So striving for
"better" is more useful than "perfect".

 

[BSM1]

The key difference being that if you don't wear a mask, you can infect innocent by standers.

NOT if they are wearing their masks and the mask argument has any validity...thanks for the softball.

 

[Quetzal]

NOT if they are wearing their masks and the mask argument has any validity...thanks for the softball.

It has been pointed out that by abstaining you are increasing the risk of those around you.

 

[PureX]

What you call "disease", I call human nature.
We can make improvements where we can,
but the human remains. So striving for
"better" is more useful than "perfect".

But we have to identify the "better", before we can strive for it. And right now (no offense), people like you are supporting and promoting the disease, claiming it's inevitable, and that it's not really even a "problem". You don't see needless human suffering and death as a "problem" so long as you are not the human that is suffering or dying. Even more-so if you are the human benefiting from it.

This attitude IS the disease. And yet you have the cure ready and available to you at the snap of your fingers. Just stop it. Change you mind. It's that simple.

 

[Revoltingest]

Actually, I was in a conversation with Evangelicalhumanist and stated...

​

You addressed me in post #146, so I responded.

You chimed in with a derogatory comment about Trump's 2016 opponent - Hillary Clinton.

Your specific accusation of my stupidity in post #146
was an invitation to question your own intelligence
in favoring Hillary over Donald.

Why would someone feel so moved by rocks (pebbles really) thrown at Trump Supporters if one was not a Trump supporter?

You conflate those who support Trump with all who
voted for him, thus including me.
Also, you repeatedly call me a "Trump supporter".

You can't hide from your own comments. But you continue to try. How silly.

I notice that you backpedal from those who
"voted for Trump" to "Trump supporters".

FWIW: I am not the only person to point this out to you.

You now offer the company of allies as evidence?
The old truth-is-determined by numbers fallacy.
"I'm right because my friends agree with me!" doesn't fly.

Some advice....
It's a bad idea to insult people, especially such a large group.
It's also against the rules...you know....bullying & trolling.
Keep it about the issues, & avoid personal commentary
to try winning an argument. It's more peaceful & interesting.

 

[ecco]

Besides, there are people who live all their lives in smoking homes and never get a hint of lung problems. Why is that?

Besides, there are people who drive drunk and never get into accidents. Why is that?
Besides, there are people who drive drunk once and kill another human being. Why is that?


Besides, there are people who lived to age 80 and had two parents that died of cancers by age 30. Why is that?
Besides, there are three year old children, with completely healthy parents, that die at age three. Why is that?

Was your question rhetorical or did you have a point?

 

[Revoltingest]

It has been pointed out that by abstaining you are increasing the risk of those around you.

Is he?
What if his vote is the one putting Trump in office for a 2nd term?

 

[BSM1]

It has been pointed out that by abstaining you are increasing the risk of those around you.

But...but...if masks are working, and they are wearing a mask, and I don't try to get close enough tokiss them then what's the problem?

 

[BSM1]

My reading of @PureX's comments is not that he is broad-brushing guilt. My reading is that he is trying to get people to understand their responsibilities to their fellow humans.

You really believe any of us has one wisp of responsibility to any other air breather?

 

[Revoltingest]

But we have to identify the "better", before we can strive for it. And right now (no offense), people like you are supporting and promoting the disease, claiming it's inevitable, and that it's not really even a "problem". You don't see needless human suffering and death as a "problem" so long as you are not the human that is suffering or dying. Even more-so if you are the human benefiting from it.

This attitude IS the disease. And yet you have the cure ready and available to you at the snap of your fingers. Just stop it. Change you mind. It's that simple.

I pursue improvement where I see & can.
But to you, I'm still just part of the problem.
That suggests no point in doing anything.

 

[PureX]

You really believe any of us has one wisp of responsibility to any other air breather?

We are a cooperative species. We cannot survive alone. We need to live in mutually supportive groups. Selfishness is a poison to us. It destroys the societies that we need to live in, to survive.

 

[Revoltingest]

You really believe any of us has one wisp of responsibility to any other air breather?

I do.
Suppose I had pneumonic plague (also transmitted by droplets).
Would I have no responsibility to take measures to avoid infecting others?
When we have the opportunity to conduct ourselves in a manner
which avoids harming others, that seems worth taking.

 

[PureX]

I pursue improvement where I see & can.
But to you, I'm still just part of the problem.
That suggests no point in doing anything.

Everyone is doing something. The question is what, why, and to what end?

 

[Quetzal]

But...but...if masks are working, and they are wearing a mask, and I don't try to get close enough tokiss them then what's the problem?

Sources has been provided, arguments have been made. I am not going to participate in this circular discussion with you any further. It is now up to you to ponder if a small inconvenience is worth the health of others. Good luck!