The masked truth....

[ecco]

You addressed me in post #146, so I responded.

I was referring to Trump voters in general. You took it as a dig at you personally - OK.

Your specific accusation of my stupidity in post #146
was an invitation to question your own intelligence
in favoring Hillary over Donald.

I was referring to Trump voters in general. You took it as a dig at you personally - OK.

You conflate those who support Trump with all who
voted for him, thus including me.
Also, you repeatedly call me a "Trump supporter".

Lessee if I follow your logic...You Voted for Trump, but you didn't/don't Support Trump. Do I have that right?

I am confused because I would not vote for someone I don't support. That would either be silly or schizophrenic.

I notice that you backpedal from those who
"voted for Trump" to "Trump supporters".
So I'm not the one hiding.

See above. No backpedaling here on my part.

You now offer the company of allies as evidence?
The old truth-is-determined by numbers fallacy.
"I'm right because my friends agree with me!" doesn't fly.

Allies? Are you referring to some imaginary people with whom I signed a "Mutual Aggression Against Revoltingest" pact? I assure you there are none.

However, I do follow many threads and remember the context of some posts. Just because I and others made the same observations about you is not indicative of some Grand Conspiracy.

 

[Revoltingest]

Everyone is doing something. The question is what, why, and to what end?

That is my concern, & justifiable to no one.

 

[Quetzal]

Is he?
What if his vote is the one putting Trump in office for a 2nd term?

That is his right, despite my strong opinions on the topic.

 

[ecco]

Some advice....
It's a bad idea to insult people, especially such a large group.
It's also against the rules...you know....bullying & trolling.
Keep it about the issues, & avoid personal commentary
to try winning an argument. It's more peaceful & interesting.

Your free advice is worth every penny I paid for it.

 

[ecco]

You really believe any of us has one wisp of responsibility to any other air breather?

Yep. I realize not everyone feels the same way.

At the far end of the spectrum are people who kill other humans to get some of their possessions. They really don't believe they have any responsibility to their fellow air breathers.

 

[BSM1]

I do.
Suppose I had pneumonic plague (also transmitted by droplets).
Would I have no responsibility to take measures to avoid infecting others?
When we have the opportunity to conduct ourselves in a manner
which avoids harming others, that seems worth taking.

Not inherently. If you were the only immune carrier in the world and your kid needed a medicine across town, who do you think you would you feel more responsible to protecting? Your neighbor? A complete stranger? A reprobate like me? Your kid? Feeling you have some type of 'responsibility' to or for other human beings is an acquired taste. Now, do I feel responsible to others? Sure, but it is by choice and not fiat.

 

[PureX]

That is my concern, & justifiable to no one.

Except that your actions have consequences for other people. And you need those other people to survive and thrive. So that when you presume yourself to be a lone agent, accountable to no one, responsible for no one but whom you choose, you are lying to yourself, and you are lying to us. And it's a lie that destroys societies and causes needless suffering and death.

 

[BSM1]

Sources has been provided, arguments have been made. I am not going to participate in this circular discussion with you any further. It is now up to you to ponder if a small inconvenience is worth the health of others. Good luck!

Baaaa....

I'm sorry, did I say that out loud?

 

[Revoltingest]

I was referring to Trump voters in general. You took it as a dig at you personally - OK.

You offered no exceptions. And you have before & during this thread called
me "Trump supporter". This is deliberate misrepresentation of my views.

You called me out, so I responded.
If you don't want me challenging your accusations, then why make them?
Perhaps anger leading to lashing out, without considering consequences?

Lessee if I follow your logic...You Voted for Trump, but you didn't/don't Support Trump. Do I have that right?

That is correct.
Trump was a foul choice, but a lesser evil than Hillary.
To call such a vote "support" is to misuse the word.

I am confused because I would not vote for someone I don't support. That would either be silly or schizophrenic.

Analogy time....
Bob is a POW in a camp.
Bob's captors give him a choice: They'll kill 1 person or 2.
If Bob makes no choice, then someone else will choose.
Bob opposes killing either.
Thus he isn't a "killing" supporter.
Bob chooses the lesser of 2 evils, ie, kill only 1 person.

Were you Bob, what would you choose?
Kill 1? Kill 2? Abstain?

No backpedaling here on my part.

Too late. I already saw it.

Just because I and others made the same observations about you is not indicative of some Grand Conspiracy.

It indicates only that when lacking a cogent argument,
reassurance is sought from one's tribe.

 

[Quetzal]

Baaaa....

I'm sorry, did I say that out loud?

I have been called worse by 3rd grade children, I am okay with this.

 

[Revoltingest]

That is his right, despite my strong opinions on the topic.

But you're arguing more the idea that it's his responsibility,
& that harm will come if he doesn't vote.

 

[Quetzal]

But you're arguing more the idea that it's his responsibility,
& that harm will come if he doesn't vote.

Sorry? We were back on the mask topic.

 

[Revoltingest]

Not inherently. If you were the only immune carrier in the world and your kid needed a medicine across town, who do you think you would you feel more responsible to protecting? Your neighbor? A complete stranger? A reprobate like me? Your kid?

I'd have to weigh the risks of saving the kid vs the risk of the consequences of infecting others. But I could see letting my
own kid die, if it meant preventing the deaths of others.

Feeling you have some type of 'responsibility' to or for other human beings is an acquired taste.

I see it as a choice.

Now, do I feel responsible to others? Sure, but it is by choice and not fiat.

Alas, some wouldn't make the choice to avoid infecting others.
So it falls upon government to force them.
Imposition upon the populace is something done in many situations,
eg, requiring vaccinations, prohibiting drunk driving, requiring good
vision for driving, licensing doctors, not allowing dumping motor oil
into creeks & reservoirs.
It's a question of imposition vs benefit.

 

[Revoltingest]

Sorry? We were back on the mask topic.

I get so many alerts that I often miss the meandering as I respond serially.
But I'm also compulsive.....so I'd respond anyway.

 

[Revoltingest]

Your free advice is worth every penny I paid for it.

Ignore it at your own peril.
Rules do get enforced.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

My reading of @PureX's comments is not that he is broad-brushing guilt. My reading is that he is trying to get people to understand their responsibilities to their fellow humans.

Words like "weve all accepted greed and ignorance and selfishness and everyone is guilty" is not an effective or productive means of achieving that goal. This not realizing, its another "sin" that I am without.

 

[BSM1]

I'd have to weigh the risks of saving the kid vs the risk of the consequences of infecting others. But I could see letting my
own kid die, if it meant preventing the deaths of others.

I see it as a choice.

Alas, some wouldn't make the choice to avoid infecting others.
So it falls upon government to force them.
Imposition upon the populace is something done in many situations,
eg, requiring vaccinations, prohibiting drunk driving, requiring good
vision for driving, licensing doctors, not allowing dumping motor oil
into creeks & reservoirs.
It's a question of imposition vs benefit.

You're kind of making my point. If I wanted to dump motor into the creek then the government couldn't stop me unless they were standing in front of me. This doesn't make me any more 'responsible', just restricted for the greater good. However, knowing the harm that would come from my action I would choose not to dump the motor oil into the water. This is true responsibility.

 

[Revoltingest]

You're kind of making my point. If I wanted to dump motor into the creek then the government couldn't stop me unless they were standing in front of me.

I don't see probability of being caught as significant.

This doesn't make me any more 'responsible', just restricted for the greater good.

For many people, restriction is necessary because of their lack of responsibility.

However, knowing the harm that would come from my action I would choose not to dump the motor oil into the water. This is true responsibility.

Agree.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

The key difference being that if you don't wear a mask, you can infect innocent by standers.

That would be interesting. One day George goes to sleep and everything is fine. He wakes up 24 hours later when everyone is wearing masks. The same George didn't have the disease before he rested. Now he's a ticking time bomb 24 hours later. People accuse George of not wearing a mask 24 hours later even when he isn't in an environment where he can be affected within such a short time period. So, it becomes ridiculous to say people will affect other people when not wearing a mask since it was already existed way before we even thought about masks to begin with.

 

[Revoltingest]

That would be interesting. One day George goes to sleep and everything is fine. He wakes up 24 hours later when everyone is wearing masks. The same George didn't have the disease before he rested. Now he's a ticking time bomb 24 hours later. People accuse George of not wearing a mask 24 hours later even when he isn't in an environment where he can be affected within such a short time period. So, it becomes ridiculous to say people will affect other people when not wearing a mask since it was already existed way before we even thought about masks to begin with.

I can't follow that reasoning.