Fixed.
The lower quality or poorer the fit...this merely reduces efficacy.
But some modifications truly are worthless.
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The masked truth....
- Thread starter BSM1
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The lower quality or poorer the fit...this merely reduces efficacy.
But some modifications truly are worthless.
But they aren't. They vary in their stopping power. So the obvious thing to do is get the best that suits one but doesn't deprive the medical professionals. There are articles detailing the effectiveness of various materials. It is a bit of a balancing act since even professionals seem to catch it so none seem to be 100% proof, or perhaps they let their guard down a bit. Do you think the much higher mask use in some countries and their low death rate are not connected at all?
Fixed.
The lower quality or poorer the fit...this merely reduces efficacy.
But some modifications truly are worthless.
Or the even better breathing version:
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
Times have moved on since this thread was posted.
As from this Friday all in England have got to wear masks in all closed spaces and retail premises. It's that or a £100 fine.
So we are getting on to the swing of it and tuning in on face mask fashion, well the ladies and young men, anyway. I used the £1 masks myself !!!
BSM1
What? Me worry?
"Vary in stopping power....!". I would think that the pro-masker types would demand that every mask be of the "high power stopping" ilk. Again, you're making my point that masks are more about control than health. Thank you.
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
No. Its not wrong to do so just in case. I would find it odd everyone checked themselves even though they knew a moment ago they had no and we're in no risk if having g the virus. What would prompt me to get check are symptoms and whether I was I high risk or something. Since I'm not, I wouldn't check. It's a waste of the doctors time. When I went to the dentist they asked if I had symptoms and were at risk such as travel or association with someone who has the virus. They let me in because I had no symptoms and no risk of symptoms. If asymptomatic was a real issue, the questions wouldn't matter. Doctors would probably make it mandatory to get checked Before going to any doctor.
So, it sounds like a better safe than sorry but not a factual issue since sneeze etc are symptoms of many caronaviruses virus. It's not wrong to tripple check. Better be mentally sound than panicy (or whatever). I just see it's only warranted with any other illness if there is a concern symptoms, risk, etc attach to it to make it worth while to be checked.
Another note is (don't ask me to quote) that authorities were telling people not to go to clinics to get checked unless they had X symptoms or at risk. They had limited resources and know people are worried etc but have to priorities who gets scene despite our opinions and concerns.
I wasn't suggesting that one goes to get checked, but the fact remains that you might be infected, and until you have a check, in the current situation - where the virus is apparently so virulent in many places - it is better to wear a simple thing like a mask than risk the lives of others.
Yes, entirely - control of the spread of the infection - otherwise you are just another conspiracy theorist (and with little basis for such).
I've bought a couple of washable ones, given that I can manage at least a week between any shopping, and the two ffp3 ones I have will stay as emergency use.
BSM1
What? Me worry?
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
Oh. I wasn't thinking about the mask. Like checking, it's a safe than sorry. Masks lower the risk only to block droplets just-in-case one say sneezes or something. I've never been in an area where that is concern but most people without the mask move out the way anyhow. We're germ concious here and don't like people being in our space (American thing).
It's interesting, though. Sometimes I'll sit and watch people in masks go by me and wonder if the virus will affect them in the second or two they pass someone two feet away. Sounds more of a 20/80 chance one would get it and less chance it will be severe than staying home until it passes.
I was talking to my therapist about it, though. People react to fear in different ways. I was never one to react like that. Anyway. Only way I can understand things is put it in my perspective. It's nothing personal. I just find it weird.
But assuming one is asymptomatic in such a short period without new risk sounds silly but I rather that person wear mask than go to the doctors when someone else may actually have symptoms he or she needs treated for.
Well it is about balance I think. I live in a rural area and can walk a mile or so to a shop and hardly pass anyone, hence I will not use a mask whilst doing so. I use public transport on the way back (bus) such that we have to use a mask now, and we will now have to use a mask whilst shopping. I think these latter two should have been instigated from the start and possibly the infection would have decreased more quickly. Here in the UK, as per many places probably, it was more about the pressure on the medical services as to why masks (of any kind) were not advocated for early enough. I have no emotional reaction to this at all - just trying to be practical and understand what those more informed are telling us.
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
I have mixed feelings about masks. I never was one to jump in the bandwagon until I understand the danger myself or it has some sense to it. If it's just by numbers and people's opinions, it throws me off. Years ago, when I was young I saw someone crash and a huge van flipped over off the ground thwice. Most people would probably call 911, go get help, or leave. I was just "not there." Another instance was when we had that earthquake here on the east coast (US). I came from the building and saw people praying. Probably some people would see the mass and think "emergency" and start praying too. I couldn't find the connection so it doesn't mean much... and so forth.
Like you, I don't wear masks if I'm not around people. I don't have that fear or concern that I may be asymptomatic. I'd be a hypochondriac if I thought I was asymptomatic to this virus but not others as if this were special in regards to having an illness but not yet displaying contagious symptoms. I wouldn't be surprised if just the common cold people pass it around before getting the sniffles themselves. That's probably with many coronaviruses but I'm not a medical professional so I'm just making intelligent guesses.
I don't see harm in people not wearing a mask around others. I just see if there was a sneeze or so have you, they are putting people at risk. Not a high risk, no doubt since we don't sneeze every hour but a risk nonetheless. Now if I see people not social distancing, that may get me a bit more than masks given the closer the distance, the more likely the spread. If it were a Real emergency, politics would go out the window and believe me Trump "would" be wearing a mask if it were That much of a world-wide emergency. So, it's best for me to just keep abreast, be mindful, and just do common sense without being attached to this mask-issue. My mother is having a nervous breakdown over it that she doesn't even invite her own daughter to her home without disinfecting the whole house. No hugs or anything. Yet, 24 hours ago (aka short time pass) everything was fine-even though the virus was, is, and will be around long after this emergency.
I know. Sounds pessimistic. Just something feels off and I can't place a finger on it. Some people say they get a message from god. I just call it a gut feeling. That's why I'm indifferent about masks. Something's up.
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Regarding Trump, I just think he is that incompetent that he judges his support will wane somewhat when the economy means so much to his supporters - possibly more so than democrats - and that is why he is often confronting the experts supposedly giving him proper advice. So he is putting his political future (and the Republican Party) before what he should be doing for the country as a whole. Such that the message coming down from above has split the country more than it should have done. Here in the UK, at least we haven't got such a split, although plenty don't want to wear masks - but they will if it is made a legal requirement, as we do tend to comply better with such rules. I think most here realise that the economy and jobs will suffer but also that they would do so equally if we didn't take the measures we are taking, and which so many other countries have done too, with very few doing things differently.
It has been a mess and I hope we learn from it. It's not as if we weren't warned some years back and where we could have done much to prevent some of the damage we are now seeing. It's just unfortunate, in my view, that we just seem to have some rather weak leaders in both the USA and the UK whilst this crisis has occurred.
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
Did you guys have anti-mask protests like here in the states?
I never really could form an opinion about Trump and his politics since he doesn't make decisions in itself. I do think because of his demeanor and personality people didn't like him from the beginning and using that as a scapegoat to dislike his politics. But I did see he finally wears masks. One side of me is thinking maybe there's "a reason" he does not that the public does t know. If it we're an emergency I don't agree he would be That stupid to out himself at risk. It's hard to judge.
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
My wife has a Tiger face-mask and a Dachshund face-mask, and all her work mates are getting masks to suit their loves, fashions and hobbies.....
Who knows? They might be designer-wear soon, being modeled in the fashion shows.
I'm not sure about any protests - they don't make the news if there are any, so not anything serious. I think our perception of Trump is on his basic demeanor (self-congratulatory all too often), how he interacts with people (especially any likely to criticise him), his record of decision-making (perhaps understandably USA biased), and ultimately perhaps how we see him as just being a negative influence in the USA and on the rest of the world. I think, in general, he is viewed negatively by most here other than those more right-wing who just have to support the right all the time. And his handling of the coronavirus crisis has more or less confirmed suspicions about him.
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My wife has a Tiger face-mask and a Dachshund face-mask, and all her work mates are getting masks to suit their loves, fashions and hobbies.....
Who knows? They might be designer-wear soon, being modeled in the fashion shows.
Best way to go - make it enjoyable rather than being a bother.
(but it still is )
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Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
That is what covid does! It spreads the most just before symptoms appear.
That issue is settled.
The mask issue is settled. Wearing one most likely poses no risk to you (it's very rare for anyone to legit not he able to wear ine) but it greatly reduces the chances you'll spread the virus if you have it. Ot wearjng one is irresponsibility on par with drunk driving or second hand smoke. Those are things that can potentially adversely effect others.
Anti-maskers....they happened before.
https://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/coronavirus/article244267462.html
Excerpted....
A different pandemic swept across the world a century ago, killing about 60
million people.
Schools and businesses closed, and many cities required people to wear face
masks to slow the spread of the devastating influenza outbreak of 1918.
And back then, just like today, some people balked at the idea of the government
telling them what to do.
Some protested and openly defied local orders as World War I raged in Europe,
J. Alexander Navarro, assistant director at the University of Michigan’s Center
for the History of Medicine, wrote this month for The Conversation.
About 2,000 members of the so-called Anti-Mask League gathered in San Francisco
in 1919 “for a rally denouncing the mask ordinance and proposing ways to defeat it,”
Navarro wrote.
Sound familiar?
Face masks have been a political and cultural flash point in the United States as the
country struggles to contain the coronavirus pandemic, which has killed more than
140,000 people in the country since March.
https://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/coronavirus/article244267462.html
Excerpted....
A different pandemic swept across the world a century ago, killing about 60
million people.
Schools and businesses closed, and many cities required people to wear face
masks to slow the spread of the devastating influenza outbreak of 1918.
And back then, just like today, some people balked at the idea of the government
telling them what to do.
Some protested and openly defied local orders as World War I raged in Europe,
J. Alexander Navarro, assistant director at the University of Michigan’s Center
for the History of Medicine, wrote this month for The Conversation.
About 2,000 members of the so-called Anti-Mask League gathered in San Francisco
in 1919 “for a rally denouncing the mask ordinance and proposing ways to defeat it,”
Navarro wrote.
Sound familiar?
Face masks have been a political and cultural flash point in the United States as the
country struggles to contain the coronavirus pandemic, which has killed more than
140,000 people in the country since March.