The masked truth....

[ecco]

previously...

I was referring to Trump voters in general. You took it as a dig at you personally - OK.

You offered no exceptions. And you have before & during this thread called
me "Trump supporter". This is deliberate misrepresentation of my views.

You called me out, so I responded.

In the second paragraph, you state I called you out.
In the first paragraph, you acknowledge that I made a comment about Trump supporters with "no exceptions".

I know you understand logic.

You must realize that your own words show that you understand that you are a Trump supporter.

If you didn't put yourself into the group "Trump supporters" you would not have felt my comment was directed toward you.

That is correct.
Trump was a foul choice, but a lesser evil than Hillary.
To call such a vote "support" is to misuse the word.

If that were the only comment you ever made, I might agree with you. However, you, on many occasions, denigrate Hillary and her supporters (like me). I can't recall you making any derogatory comments about Trump and Trump supporters.

It indicates only that when lacking a cogent argument,
reassurance is sought from one's tribe.

But I did not seek out reassurance. I merely pointed out that others have made similar comments about you. You know the difference between someone seeking assistance and just pointing out others with similar views. Therefore your comment that I sought out reassurance is (carefully keeping within the rules of RF) less than truthful.

Trump was a foul choice, but a lesser evil than Hillary.

Do you honestly believe that she would have handled COVID worse than Trump?

 

[ecco]

Too late. I already saw it.

Yes. I know. I just stated that I stand by my posts.

Analogy time....
Bob is a POW in a camp.
Bob's captors give him a choice: They'll kill 1 person or 2.
If Bob makes no choice, then someone else will choose.
Bob opposes killing either.
Thus he isn't a "killing" supporter.
Bob chooses the lesser of 2 evils, ie, kill only 1 person.

Were you Bob, what would you choose?
Kill 1? Kill 2? Abstain?

Is that really bad analogy the best you can do?

 

[Revoltingest]

previously...


​

In the second paragraph, you state I called you out.
In the first paragraph, you acknowledge that I made a comment about Trump supporters with "no exceptions".

I know you understand logic.

You must realize that your own words show that you understand that you are a Trump supporter.

If you didn't put yourself into the group "Trump supporters" you would not have felt my comment was directed toward you.







If that were the only comment you ever made, I might agree with you. However, you, on many occasions, denigrate Hillary and her supporters (like me). I can't recall you making any derogatory comments about Trump and Trump supporters.







But I did not seek out reassurance. I merely pointed out that others have made similar comments about you. You know the difference between someone seeking assistance and just pointing out others with similar views. Therefore your comment that I sought out reassurance is (carefully keeping within the rules of RF) less than truthful.






Do you honestly believe that she would have handled COVID worse than Trump?

Yes. I know. I just stated that I stand by my posts.



Is that really bad analogy the best you can do?

Oh, you're back.
I'm no longer interested.

 

[Mock Turtle]

How about this:

This could spread - exemption from prosecution whilst stealing, speeding, whatever, and seems to have started already:

Elderly woman doing 125mph in Mustang thought police chase was special escort | Metro News

 

[Revoltingest]

How about this:

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This could spread - exemption from prosecution whilst stealing, speeding, whatever, and seems to have started already:

Elderly woman doing 125mph in Mustang thought police chase was special escort | Metro News

She's from NYC....prolly fleeing that heckhole.

 

[Secret Chief]

These people are wearing masks for twelve hours at a time. They are doctors and nurses trying to save lives, as opposed to selfish *********.

 

[Dave Watchman]

These people are wearing masks for twelve hours at a time. They are doctors and nurses trying to save lives, as opposed to selfish *********.

For real.

Pressure ulcers.

The Italian health care workers.

Italian nurses share selfies of bruised faces after 13-hour shifts

 

[Dave Watchman]

Death rates in sunny Brazil are soaring (your chart is out of date).

..

I call Brazil the anomaly.

Their president is an anti masker.

The chart is for the world.

The majority in the Northern Hemisphere.

Last weeks chart:

This weeks:

Can you see how the price action has just broke high of the clearly defined trend channel?

Time will tell.

 

[Dave Watchman]

Eight death row prisoners among 15 inmates to die of coronavirus in California prison | Daily Mail Online

John Beames

He was convicted of first-degree murder in the death of a 15-month-old child and sentenced to death in Tulare County on October 11, 1995.

He had moved into the home of Angelita McMains and her young daughter Cassie McMains in April 1993.

The young girl bled to death in January 1994 after her liver was hit so hard it nearly split in two, according to the San Francisco Chronicle.

She also had multiple other physical injuries, including a broken leg, burns and black eyes, in the months before her death.

San Quentin State Prison confirmed Tuesday the death of John Beames, 67, of what appeared to be complications related to COVID-19.

The coroner is still to determine his exact cause of death.

The prison is experiencing the worst inmate outbreak in California with almost two thirds of its inmates already infected.

Eight murderers and rapists on San Quentin death row die of coronavirus as prison outbreak worsens.

Eight death row prisoners among 15 inmates to die of coronavirus in California prison | Daily Mail Online

Girl we Bad Bad Bad Bad Bad,
We're nation wide.

We are Legion,
For we are many.

We are afraid,
Of Judgment Day.

"It is a terrifying thing to fall into the hands of the living God.​

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Masks, masks, masks ... I am sick to death of all those rear-nether-vents who claim "I can't wear a mask, it's bad, it hurts me, it...whatever."

Anybody remember the Battle of Britain? Londoners and other city-dwellers had -- and wore -- much more bulky and nasty masks than anything we're asked to wear. Know why? Because they knew the chemical weapons were REAL. And they wore them because, well, wearing them was better than dying, probably by several degrees of measurement.

So let's ask those who claim they simply can't, really can't, wear a mask to do a simple test: Hand them a mask, then have them walk through a half-mile of infectious people with all sorts of nasty things, along with some mustard gas, maybe a few other noxious chemicals. If they really can't bear to wear the mask, they'll leave it behind and take the walk. If they put the mask on, then they admit through their own actions that wearing the mask is categorically not the worst thing they can imagine.

I'll tell you what's going on, folks. It's that too many stupid, stupid people do not believe that this virus is real. And as long as that is true, then not only is this virus going to prove it's reality -- we won't be able to get rid of it.

It's us. It's not the government. It's not the doctors. It's not the fake news or Fox (the only truth in the known universe). It's us.

We either beat it, or we don't. But it's our fight, and only we can win it.

 

[Tambourine]

The difference seems to be that back then, masks prevented the wearer from dying.
The current masks we are wearing, however, merely prevent everyone else from dying.

Some people seem to be a lot easier to motivate by selfishness than by altruism.

 

[exchemist]

I have mixed feelings about masks. I never was one to jump in the bandwagon until I understand the danger myself or it has some sense to it. If it's just by numbers and people's opinions, it throws me off. Years ago, when I was young I saw someone crash and a huge van flipped over off the ground thwice. Most people would probably call 911, go get help, or leave. I was just "not there." Another instance was when we had that earthquake here on the east coast (US). I came from the building and saw people praying. Probably some people would see the mass and think "emergency" and start praying too. I couldn't find the connection so it doesn't mean much... and so forth.

Like you, I don't wear masks if I'm not around people. I don't have that fear or concern that I may be asymptomatic. I'd be a hypochondriac if I thought I was asymptomatic to this virus but not others as if this were special in regards to having an illness but not yet displaying contagious symptoms. I wouldn't be surprised if just the common cold people pass it around before getting the sniffles themselves. That's probably with many coronaviruses but I'm not a medical professional so I'm just making intelligent guesses.

I don't see harm in people not wearing a mask around others. I just see if there was a sneeze or so have you, they are putting people at risk. Not a high risk, no doubt since we don't sneeze every hour but a risk nonetheless. Now if I see people not social distancing, that may get me a bit more than masks given the closer the distance, the more likely the spread. If it were a Real emergency, politics would go out the window and believe me Trump "would" be wearing a mask if it were That much of a world-wide emergency. So, it's best for me to just keep abreast, be mindful, and just do common sense without being attached to this mask-issue. My mother is having a nervous breakdown over it that she doesn't even invite her own daughter to her home without disinfecting the whole house. No hugs or anything. Yet, 24 hours ago (aka short time pass) everything was fine-even though the virus was, is, and will be around long after this emergency.

I know. Sounds pessimistic. Just something feels off and I can't place a finger on it. Some people say they get a message from god. I just call it a gut feeling. That's why I'm indifferent about masks. Something's up.

You ought to understand by now why not wearing a mask, at least in confined spaces such as public transport or crowded areas, is a threat to other people. But it seems the public communications of some countries are not the best.

The link below gives the explanation from the French government. Scroll down to the 4 box diagram and see the level of protection in 4 scenarios, depending on who wears, or doesn't wear, a mask. The person on the left is infected and the one on the right is not. "Niveau de protection" means level of protection.

Info Coronavirus COVID-19 - Masques grand public

The point about this is that face coverings are relatively good at reducing the clouds of droplets given off when a person exhales, but they are much less good at preventing a person from inhaling a single infected droplet, which is all you need to get sick.

So you get some protection from an infected person if you wear a mask, but not much. However if you are the one who is infected, wearing a mask greatly reduces the chance you will infect someone else. And the best of all, of course, is if both parties wear a mask. This is especially true if neither knows whether they may be infected or not, which is the usual situation in public spaces.

Bear in mind you can be infectious for up to a week before you feel any symptoms. Also, some people, especially young ones, can catch the virus and not ever feel any symptoms themselves at all, but they can still pass it to others.

The main logic for masks, therefore is to stop people who feel fine from infecting others accidentally.

 

[Mock Turtle]

Mum jokingly creates mask with wine flap and it's branded 'best invention ever'

I would have thought a hole for a straw or tube would suffice. Or this - Note: Please look at your local bylaws to see if this is legal!

Naked man struts along busy Oxford Street wearing nothing but g-string face mask

 

[Unveiled Artist]

You ought to understand by now why not wearing a mask, at least in confined spaces such as public transport or crowded areas, is a threat to other people. But it seems the public communications of some countries are not the best.

I can see it in crowded spaces and/or places where you work with people who are sick. So, it's not discrediting the importance and efficiency of the mask. I just see people wear it in places that makes me wonder what they're thinking.

The link below gives the explanation from the French government. Scroll down to the 4 box diagram and see the level of protection in 4 scenarios, depending on who wears, or doesn't wear, a mask. The person on the left is infected and the one on the right is not. "Niveau de protection" means level of protection.

I'll take a look.

The point about this is that face coverings are relatively good at reducing the clouds of droplets given off when a person exhales, but they are much less good at preventing a person from inhaling a single infected droplet, which is all you need to get sick.

Yes. That's fine. I just find it interesting people think the droplets will last so long that they will be effected by it even six feet away.

So you get some protection from an infected person if you wear a mask, but not much. However if you are the one who is infected, wearing a mask greatly reduces the chance you will infect someone else. And the best of all, of course, is if both parties wear a mask. This is especially true if neither knows whether they may be infected or not, which is the usual situation in public spaces.

Of course. Doctors wear masks all the time (thank gosh). It's not the mask itself.

Bear in mind you can be infectious for up to a week before you feel any symptoms. Also, some people, especially young ones, can catch the virus and not ever feel any symptoms themselves at all, but they can still pass it to others.

Pretty much like some other viruses. I don't really look into it unless I have reason to get checked out. But for many people it's better to be safe than sorry.

The main logic for masks, therefore is to stop people who feel fine from infecting others accidentally.

My thing is just seeing people wear masks when they don't need to. What is for, how, when, etc I'm not against that. I just find people are not "just" concerned about being affected and affected other people. It's literally something that helps them psychologically. It's an interesting observation. It doesn't take me away from thinking masks are effective I just don't go with everyone else and tell people they are wrong for wearing and not wearing them. It highly depends on environment and circumstances not wearing the masks in and of itself.

 

[exchemist]

I can see it in crowded spaces and/or places where you work with people who are sick. So, it's not discrediting the importance and efficiency of the mask. I just see people wear it in places that makes me wonder what they're thinking.



I'll take a look.



Yes. That's fine. I just find it interesting people think the droplets will last so long that they will be effected by it even six feet away.



Of course. Doctors wear masks all the time (thank gosh). It's not the mask itself.



Pretty much like some other viruses. I don't really look into it unless I have reason to get checked out. But for many people it's better to be safe than sorry.



My thing is just seeing people wear masks when they don't need to. What is for, how, when, etc I'm not against that. I just find people are not "just" concerned about being affected and affected other people. It's literally something that helps them psychologically. It's an interesting observation. It doesn't take me away from thinking masks are effective I just don't go with everyone else and tell people they are wrong for wearing and not wearing them. It highly depends on environment and circumstances not wearing the masks in and of itself.

Well that may make sense, depending on what you mean by "when they don't need to".

I certainly agree a mask won't offer much benefit when there is nobody else around, or in open spaces if everyone is good at keeping >6ft apart.

But in crowded spaces, especially indoors, it makes sense, for everybody's sake.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Well that may make sense, depending on what you mean by "when they don't need to".

I certainly agree a mask won't offer much benefit when there is nobody else around, or in open spaces if everyone is good at keeping >6ft apart.

But in crowded spaces, especially indoors, it makes sense, for everybody's sake.

It does. I'm not a mask person myself but I'm sure many doctors are probably not, but our opinions and comfort are besides the point. In most cases, I'm not around people long enough (if any time) that I'm at risk of sneezing on the person for any possible droplets.

What's sad, though, is now I feel like I can't sneeze or even cough without someone jumping back. The asymptomatic thing got people jumpy. It's uncomfortable being a ticking time bomb, so I wear it for their comfort level. If I know there is some dust and I'm about the cough or sneeze, I'll just move out the way rather than depend on the mask to protect. Go wash my hands thereafter, and stand in the back of the line again. If I can't do that, I'll turn my back so nothing will get in their face. In other words, I won't depend on the mask as an end all be all unless push comes to shove. Everyone's reasons are different but I don't see why some aren't justified more than others (speaking of those who wear masks but for different reasons).

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

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YOU'RE NOT MORE VALUABLE THAN THOSE AROUND YOU -- WEAR THE DAMN MASK

Reading this on a post triggered two thoughts:

1. Yes, I am more valuable than those around me (and I will not discuss this with anyone!).

and

B. If masks work, and assuming your mask is working, what difference does it make if I wear a mask or not?

Serious, or non-serious, answers, please...

What I would like to see happen, is for all those maskerhaters, when next they are scheduled for surgery or some other life-saving procedure, to implore all the doctors and nurses, anaesthetists and other technicians in the room, to take off their masks for their own sake. After all, those who fear masks ought not to want people who are trying to help them to suffer on their account, ought they?

So promise, BSM1, next time you're under the knife, be sure to ask your medical team to protect themselves, okay?

 

[exchemist]

It does. I'm not a mask person myself but I'm sure many doctors are probably not, but our opinions and comfort are besides the point. In most cases, I'm not around people long enough (if any time) that I'm at risk of sneezing on the person for any possible droplets.

What's sad, though, is now I feel like I can't sneeze or even cough without someone jumping back. The asymptomatic thing got people jumpy. It's uncomfortable being a ticking time bomb, so I wear it for their comfort level. If I know there is some dust and I'm about the cough or sneeze, I'll just move out the way rather than depend on the mask to protect. Go wash my hands thereafter, and stand in the back of the line again. If I can't do that, I'll turn my back so nothing will get in their face. In other words, I won't depend on the mask as an end all be all unless push comes to shove. Everyone's reasons are different but I don't see why some aren't justified more than others (speaking of those who wear masks but for different reasons).

Sneezing has nothing to do with it. Just breathing out normally is enough. Wear a mask when close to others. We don’t have the luxury of deciding whether we are “mask people” or not. This is not fashion, or lifestyle choice, it’s life, death and long term damage for a lot of people.

 

[BSM1]

What I would like to see happen, is for all those maskerhaters, when next they are scheduled for surgery or some other life-saving procedure, to implore all the doctors and nurses, anaesthetists and other technicians in the room, to take off their masks for their own sake. After all, those who fear masks ought not to want people who are trying to help them to suffer on their account, ought they?

So promise, BSM1, next time you're under the knife, be sure to ask your medical team to protect themselves, okay?

So you think I'm asking other people not to wear a mask then?

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

So you think I'm asking other people not to wear a mask then?

No, I think you're seeking permission to not wear one yourself. But I remind you, those surgeons, nurses and technicians I spoke of wear their masks as much to protect you from them, as them from you.

And for that reason, I think you might want to at least reconsider.