The masked truth....

[Unveiled Artist]

Sneezing has nothing to do with it. Just breathing out normally is enough. Wear a mask when close to others. We don’t have the luxury of deciding whether we are “mask people” or not. This is not fashion, or lifestyle choice, it’s life, death and long term damage for a lot of people.

I don't see it that extreme (aka I don't single this virus from others) from so far I know of the virus. It seems like it works like it here respirtory virus (how it spreads rather than the intensity of it). Of course these type virus you have risk of getting it by being in the same space. When someone sneeze, sometimes we don't catch it enough and whoever is in that space can whatever virus that person has. Droplets can linger (sprays, I guess). It's just the nature of it. If they told me we will grow an extra head then I would most likely stay indoors. So far, it's a foreign virus to humans but not alien (if you get my context).

With the masks specifically, I only have mixed feelings because I'm not around people to form a sound opinion without generalizing. I don't care for it, but that's different than saying they're not affective. I don't like guns but they are affective in self defense.

So, a lot of it is toss of opinions based on a variety of emotions and trusting media, politics, and our favorite source of scientific data. It's just too much stimuli it's hard to really say who is right or wrong. I guess I leave that to others?

 

[BSM1]

No, I think you're seeking permission to not wear one yourself. But I remind you, those surgeons, nurses and technicians I spoke of wear their masks as much to protect you from them, as them from you.

And for that reason, I think you might want to at least reconsider.

Did I ever say I wasn't wearing a mask?

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Did I ever say I wasn't wearing a mask?

Okay, then you're doing something cattivo, probably trying to trick people for reasons of your own.

Have at it, if that's what turns your crank.

To me, the matter is serious, and really ought to be above games-playing.

I am concerned that here, in my own nation of Canada, we are trying to re-open our economy sensibly and safely, but there are a whole lot of people who just can't be bothered. And they are forgetting something rather important - this is OUR problem. Trump can't solve it, my PM can't solve it. Governments can't solve it. The doctors and hospitals can't solve ti. You know who can solve it? We can. Working sensibly together. If you'd rather play another game ,well enjoy. But when the economy has been shut down long enough, or when enough people have died, do come back and tell us what your winnings were from your game. I'm sure it'll be fascinating.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Okay, then you're doing something cattivo, probably trying to trick people for reasons of your own.

Have at it, if that's what turns your crank.

To me, the matter is serious, and really ought to be above games-playing.

I am concerned that here, in my own nation of Canada, we are trying to re-open our economy sensibly and safely, but there are a whole lot of people who just can't be bothered. And they are forgetting something rather important - this is OUR problem. Trump can't solve it, my PM can't solve it. Governments can't solve it. The doctors and hospitals can't solve ti. You know who can solve it? We can. Working sensibly together. If you'd rather play another game ,well enjoy. But when the economy has been shut down long enough, or when enough people have died, do come back and tell us what your winnings were from your game. I'm sure it'll be fascinating.

What can laymen do if they aren't choosing to volunteer their help?

How does ones attitude towards the severity of the situation (indifference, panic, concern etc) mean it's putting people at danger and people aren't caring?

How does one's opinion and conversation determine how much a person cares or don't cares about the people around him and society?

It's almost as if most posters want everyone to react like there's a fire. Those who don't, all of the sudden, don't care. Why is that?

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

What can laymen do if they aren't choosing to volunteer their help?

How does ones attitude towards the severity of the situation (indifference, panic, concern etc) mean it's putting people at danger and people aren't caring?

How does one's opinion and conversation determine how much a person cares or don't cares about the people around him and society?

It's almost as if most posters want everyone to react like there's a fire. Those who don't, all of the sudden, don't care. Why is that?

Well, we laymen could listen to the experts...those who have spent decades studying epidemics and pandemics, and compiling a huge database of information about what works, what doesn't, what's known and what isn't. Listening is not a bad way to start if you want to know something, wouldn't you agree?

However, I would agree with you in one respect. If you believe that the experts, the science, the accumulated knowledge bases are all junk, and that everybody's just making it up as they go along, then you might well assume that you're not putting anybody at risk, and nobody's putting you at risk.

I would assume, however, if that's how your thinking goes, you will also never accept treatment for your cancer, or your child's spina bifida, or whatever else ails you and yours. But if that is NOT how you would react in those circumstances, then I would ask you this -- why do you believe that medical and scientifice evidence and treatment are correct for what ails you, but irrelevant in this pandemic situation?

 

[BSM1]

Okay, then you're doing something cattivo, probably trying to trick people for reasons of your own.

Have at it, if that's what turns your crank.

To me, the matter is serious, and really ought to be above games-playing.

I am concerned that here, in my own nation of Canada, we are trying to re-open our economy sensibly and safely, but there are a whole lot of people who just can't be bothered. And they are forgetting something rather important - this is OUR problem. Trump can't solve it, my PM can't solve it. Governments can't solve it. The doctors and hospitals can't solve ti. You know who can solve it? We can. Working sensibly together. If you'd rather play another game ,well enjoy. But when the economy has been shut down long enough, or when enough people have died, do come back and tell us what your winnings were from your game. I'm sure it'll be fascinating.

Would you say some are more easily tricked than others?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

It does. I'm not a mask person myself but I'm sure many doctors are probably not, but our opinions and comfort are besides the point. In most cases, I'm not around people long enough (if any time) that I'm at risk of sneezing on the person for any possible droplets.

What's sad, though, is now I feel like I can't sneeze or even cough without someone jumping back. The asymptomatic thing got people jumpy. It's uncomfortable being a ticking time bomb, so I wear it for their comfort level. If I know there is some dust and I'm about the cough or sneeze, I'll just move out the way rather than depend on the mask to protect. Go wash my hands thereafter, and stand in the back of the line again. If I can't do that, I'll turn my back so nothing will get in their face. In other words, I won't depend on the mask as an end all be all unless push comes to shove. Everyone's reasons are different but I don't see why some aren't justified more than others (speaking of those who wear masks but for different reasons).

Talking. Yawning. Singing. Opening your mouth. It's not just sneezing and coughing (and those can launch the virus far beyond 6 feet).

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Would you say some are more easily tricked than others?

I will be honest. Because I think that you are playing a game...one who's rules I don't know...I am not going to be drawn in any more until you choose to be a little less opaque. Until then, I just feel like you're baiting me, and I'm in the wrong part of the pond to want to take the bait.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Well, we laymen could listen to the experts...those who have spent decades studying epidemics and pandemics, and compiling a huge database of information about what works, what doesn't, what's known and what isn't. Listening is not a bad way to start if you want to know something, wouldn't you agree?

However, I would agree with you in one respect. If you believe that the experts, the science, the accumulated knowledge bases are all junk, and that everybody's just making it up as they go along, then you might well assume that you're not putting anybody at risk, and nobody's putting you at risk.

I would assume, however, if that's how your thinking goes, you will also never accept treatment for your cancer, or your child's spina bifida, or whatever else ails you and yours. But if that is NOT how you would react in those circumstances, then I would ask you this -- why do you believe that medical and scientifice evidence and treatment are correct for what ails you, but irrelevant in this pandemic situation?

I had to reread both my and your reply. I don't see how what you said match what I said. When you assume intentions and react to those assumptions as if they came from me (and others here), it's more like arguing at ones reflection.

Anyway. I never said I disagreed etc with the experts. If anything, I don't know which source is true because there are so much mix messages maybe people are choosing to listen to the experts that makes more sense to them.

I don't think any of us on this thread disagree with the experts. Am I wrong?

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For example, I had a convo with a member here a week ago or so. She said she rather use the WHO as resource and not the CDC. Which makes it seem like one is better than the other. So it makes me think that people take in what they want to. To tell you honestly, I trust laymen doctors and medical professionals (any) to tell me their opinion than someone without medical knowledge telling me something else. But then I also have to think for myself rather than take data as is-aka cross reference for second opinions that aren't confirmating my biases.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Talking. Yawning. Singing. Opening your mouth. It's not just sneezing and coughing (and those can launch the virus far beyond 6 feet).

Any coronavirus is like that. No one illness is special over another. Wash hands. Where masks. Social distancing. We can prevent a lot of viruses like this from spreading with these precautions. If I singled out this one, I'd go nuts. I need to take things into perspective both the good points like people who have not caught the virus and those deaths etc. Something as serious as this, why would anyone take what they see as is.

 

[BSM1]

I will be honest. Because I think that you are playing a game...one who's rules I don't know...I am not going to be drawn in any more until you choose to be a little less opaque. Until then, I just feel like you're baiting me, and I'm in the wrong part of the pond to want to take the bait.

Hmmm...don't you find that some people find it hard not to have the last word?

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Hmmm...don't you find that some people find it hard not to have the last word?

It's yours. Make of it what you will.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Times have moved on since this thread was posted.

As from this Friday all in England have got to wear masks in all closed spaces and retail premises. It's that or a £100 fine.

So we are getting on to the swing of it and tuning in on face mask fashion, well the ladies and young men, anyway. I used the £1 masks myself !!!

Wow. 128 US dollars. Neighboring city where I live, I heard they're fining people 50 dollars. Our state hasn't fined people. It's up to the businesses discretion. Most don't let you in the store without masks. The store-gas stations, though, don't enforce it since people come in through town. People assume masks grow on trees but finally they are selling them. Before, you have to fend for yourself.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

People assume masks grow on trees but finally they are selling them. Before, you have to fend for yourself.

Or just made one with stuff we all have. As tons of us did before getting a regular mask.

 

[BSM1]

It's yours. Make of it what you will.

Hmmm....will this be the last word?

 

[oldbadger]

Wow. 128 US dollars. Neighboring city where I live, I heard they're fining people 50 dollars. Our state hasn't fined people. It's up to the businesses discretion. Most don't let you in the store without masks. The store-gas stations, though, don't enforce it since people come in through town. People assume masks grow on trees but finally they are selling them. Before, you have to fend for yourself.

Hi.....
We seem to be obeying the new rules here and I have only heard of one person being refused entry by a shop because he would not wear a mask, even when offered one for free.

I reckon we are going to get a bad resurgence here.... we are opening up too quickly, but we do need to get going again because we ran right of of money during the last four months. It'll be early autumn in about 7 weeks (!) and many medics think that covid is going to surge this winter.

We are now offering free Flu jabs to anybody over 50yrs because our NHS is trying to reduce any kinds of patients in readiness for such a spike. So just now we aren't feeling too clever about all this.

QUESTION:-
Was it you who once posted up (on a health thread ) a picture of some glasses with black-screen lenses and full of tiny pin holes? I seem to remember it was you. Anyway, I did find and buy one of these back then (a few years back, now) and I'm so amazed with them that I've just ordered another pair from a Chinese company ( £1.81 delivery free !! )
Can you remember about these?

 

[oldbadger]

Or just made one with stuff we all have. As tons of us did before getting a regular mask.

They were totally unavailable for many weeks here (UK) but now they can be bought for £1 each. But my wife buys lovely ones with sausage dogs all over them..... kind of likes sausage dogs!

Keep well....

 

[Shadow Wolf]

They were totally unavailable for many weeks here (UK) but now they can be bought for £1 each. But my wife buys lovely ones with sausage dogs all over them..... kind of likes sausage dogs!

Keep well....

Yeah. There were none here for awhile and I made one, but now they are everywhere.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Or just made one with stuff we all have. As tons of us did before getting a regular mask.

Over here we didn't. It was probably sold out in one day as the toilet paper, hand sanitizer, baby whipes, and other. Now they have masks for sell like they have candies and key chains at the register. I got my set online cause I couldn't find it anywhere else and the stores won't let you in without one. So, basically, if you loose your mask, drop it, or have to wait four days for shipment, you're, well, out of luck.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Hi.....
We seem to be obeying the new rules here and I have only heard of one person being refused entry by a shop because he would not wear a mask, even when offered one for free.

I reckon we are going to get a bad resurgence here.... we are opening up too quickly, but we do need to get going again because we ran right of of money during the last four months. It'll be early autumn in about 7 weeks (!) and many medics think that covid is going to surge this winter.

We are now offering free Flu jabs to anybody over 50yrs because our NHS is trying to reduce any kinds of patients in readiness for such a spike. So just now we aren't feeling too clever about all this.

QUESTION:-
Was it you who once posted up (on a health thread ) a picture of some glasses with black-screen lenses and full of tiny pin holes? I seem to remember it was you. Anyway, I did find and buy one of these back then (a few years back, now) and I'm so amazed with them that I've just ordered another pair from a Chinese company ( £1.81 delivery free !! )
Can you remember about these?

I don't think I posted a picture. When I didn't have a mask yet I had to go to the grocery anyway. I went in and the guard and employee stopped me. They said I couldn't shop without one. I go there often and told them it should be in the air at my door in a couple days. They rush to find me a temp mask. I couldn't hold my t-shirt over my my mouth. I guess the droplets can fly and people are slow enough to be in the same air as you when driving their carts. But I did get mine couple days later. So, I stayed indoors. I did notice when there is no guard, a few people will come through without a mask.