The masked truth....

[Revoltingest]

so....you've never been impressed

Well, there was that time you burped the entire alphabet.

 

[Revoltingest]

You, on the other hand, make posts supporting Trump and then get annoyed when people show that you are a Trump supporter.

I notice that post didn't quote any of my statements about Trump.
Had you done that, you could address the issues, instead of just
lobbing unsupported ad hominems.

I have no need to impress you.

Well, at least you're consistently succeeding at this.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

They only two people I know personally (out of the hundreds of thousands who supposedly have gotten the virus) who have been quarantined for the virus wore their masks religiously, washed their hands incessantly, and even had their groceries delivered. Even though they 'felt bad' for a couple of weeks before they were tested, and they were quarantined at home for 2-3 weeks after, no one else in the household ever tested positive for the virus let alone come down with any symptoms....go figure.

Do you question health warnings about cigarette smoking because some life-long non-smokers get lung cancer and some heavy smokers don't?

 

[PureX]

The exact number isn't relevant but I appreciate the correction.

It seemed to be very important to you in the previous several posts.

Individualism and diversity are irrelevant to the point I am making about our collective culture and social systems. But if you need to imagine that you are innocent because you somehow stand apart from them, then I can't help that.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

It seemed to be very important to you in the previous several posts.

Individualism and diversity are irrelevant to the point I am making about our collective culture and social systems. But if you need to imagine that you are innocent because you somehow stand apart from them, then I can't help that.

Because assigning guilt with such a huge, broad brush is so productive and useful.

 

[PureX]

For some reason I didn't get this.

I'm just asking a yes or no question.

Why?

I am commenting on our collective culture and social systems. What about this, in your mind, warrants asking
"yes or no" questions about my 1/330,000,000 part in them?

 

[PureX]

Because assigning guilt with such a huge, broad brush is so productive and useful.

Guilt is assigned where guilt is warranted. We ALL participate in the greed, ignorance, and human exploitation and suffering that our culture and social systems produce. And then we all pretend to ourselves that we are somehow innocent bystanders. That it's all someone else's doing. So I point this out, and just look at the attempts at minimizing, discrediting, and mitigating my clearly stated observation! Kinda proves the point, don't you think?

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Why?

I am commenting on our collective culture and social systems. What about this, in your mind, warrants asking
"yes or no" questions about my 1/330,000,000 part in them?

You're side stepping the question. I tend to forget unless it's addressed when I asked and then moved on from there.

You mentioned greed makes people the enemy, we praised exploited winners, vote for known criminals, lie, cheat, and steal on our behalf..... and so forth.

It's a huge generalization and does not account for millions of people who do not fit these "generalized stereotypes." The common neighbor no more have these views than the person beside them.

Yes or no: Do you have these views and behaviors (do you have greed, lie, cheat, steal, vote for criminals) that you mention "we" the society have: greed, cheating, etc?

Society is made up of individuals-you and I included.

To quote @Quetzal

I don't subscribe to this idea because it completely negates the individual. In fact, it doesn't even try. You are applying a single label to 329 million people. It isn't accurate and drastically over simplifies the narrative.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Guilt is assigned where guilt is warranted. We ALL participate in the greed, ignorance, and human exploitation and suffering that our culture and social systems produce. And then we all pretend to ourselves that we are somehow innocent bystanders. That it's all someone else's doing. So I point this out, and just look at the attempts at minimizing, discrediting, and mitigating my clearly stated observation! Kinda proves the point, don't you think?

I can say it proves my point about such ideas being very comparable to the guilt many Evangelicals and Catholics attach to human behaviors, to being human, and to just existing. The main difference is just the word "sin" is absent.

 

[PureX]

I don't subscribe to this idea because it completely negates the individual. In fact, it doesn't even try. You are applying a single label to 329 million people. It isn't accurate and drastically over simplifies the narrative.

Well sure. No one ever wants to admit that they're complicit. But they are.

 

[Revoltingest]

Well sure. No one ever wants to admit that they're complicit. But they are.

Are some more complicit than others?
Are whites more complicit than blacks?
Men more than women?
Or are all equal?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Are some more complicit than others?
Are whites more complicit than blacks?
Men more than women?
Or are all equal?

And then there's me. Thats some nasty debris for that hypothesis.
Amd then there are white groups that have dissimilar histories and backgrounds from other white groups.
Or, yes, lets do put people like Mister Rogers in the same category as someone like James Crowe. Lets say Archibald Bulloch and Benjamin Franklin were both equally hypocritical slave owners. Lets say that people wearing a mask to help protect those around them are just as guilty as those foregoing all warnings and precautions.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Well sure. No one ever wants to admit that they're complicit. But they are.

Dodging the question?

 

[Thief]

Are some more complicit than others?
Are whites more complicit than blacks?
Men more than women?
Or are all equal?

thread material....

let's unravel that

 

[Quetzal]

It seemed to be very important to you in the previous several posts.

Individualism and diversity are irrelevant to the point I am making about our collective culture and social systems. But if you need to imagine that you are innocent because you somehow stand apart from them, then I can't help that.

Why did you pick one part of my reply to you and attack it? I distinctly said that this isn't about me. If you are only interested in a combative exchange, that's fine. But that isn't what I am here for.

 

[PureX]

Are some more complicit than others?
Are whites more complicit than blacks?
Men more than women?
Or are all equal?

Does that really matter? Isn't everyone blaming everyone else a big part of the problem?

 

[PureX]

Why did you pick one part of my reply to you and attack it? I distinctly said that this isn't about me. If you are only interested in a combative exchange, that's fine. But that isn't what I am here for.

It isn't about me, specifically, either, but this seems to be everyone's obsession, now.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Does that really matter? Isn't everyone blaming everyone else a big part of the problem?

Yes. And it's what youre doing - blaming everyone.

 

[PureX]

Yes. And it's what youre doing - blaming everyone.

Everyone, not everyone else. That's the important difference.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Everyone, not everyone else. That's the important difference.

It's a meaningless distinction as you're still holding everyone accountable by default. You judging everyone to be the same. Individual circumstances, contributions, actions, and such mean nothing. That's not a just or fair way of assigning blame or guilt.