The masked truth....

[PureX]

Edited: Out of curiosity, are you genuinely interested in discussing your perspectives? It would be good to know for those observing.

I would think I'm making my perspective very clear, here. What about it do you wish to discuss?

In the first decades of the 20th century the U.S. had fallen into a similar orgy of greed and stupidity that resulted in the Great Depression and finally ended with WW2. THAT generation of citizens united against the greedy 'robber barons' and fought bloody battles in the streets of this country with the police, who were little more than corrupt goons hired by the robber barons to break the new labor unions that people were trying to form. Then many of those same men who fought for the unions joined up to fight fascism on a global scale as the greed-run-amok had spread. Because THAT generation understood just how devastating greed-run-amok, and turning whole societies against itself really is. They fought side by side, and acted in the most literal way as their brother's keeper in a global war, just as they did on the labor union picket lines. And they WON! On both fronts. That period after WW2 when the wealthy were actually paying their taxes, paying decent wages, and the legislature was not yet a pack of paid corporate whores, was the best time the people of this nation had ever experienced. And from it came social security, medicaid, medicare, welfare, public works, arts programs, affordable college, and eventually equal rights for minorities, and women.

But now the 'robber barons' are back, and more powerful than ever. And so is their greed-run-amok, and the starvation wages, and the joblessness, and the homelessness, and the rampant disease, and the paid goons on our police forces who think the common citizen is their enemy. We're right back where we were 100 years ago. But where are the courageous citizens fighting in the streets to create labor unions that can fight back against the billionaire 'robber-barons' and their corrupt police and politicians? Where are the warriors willing to fight and die to stop the tyranny and division of fascism that's rearing it's ugly head right here in our own land? Where are the heroic politicians who recognize the very real threat that this nation is facing from legalized bribery, and are willing to stand up and speak and act to stop it? Where are the news men with the wisdom and courage to speak truth to power in front of the whole nation?

Apparently they all died off with that "greatest generation". And all we are in this country, now, are a bunch of aimless, powerless, victims of our own willful disunity and selfishness. We can't even be bothered to wear a mask during a pandemic for the sake of our neighbors.

 

[Dave Watchman]

I just burst out laughing a few seconds in, when this woman says she won't wear a mask because "it's not healthy to breathe your own carbon monoxide".

But maybe that's only funny if you're a chemist.

That's what she said.

She said it with such authority, she had me going.

Until you pointed out the fine print.

She should have taken a free one in case she ever gets the hiccups.

Al least she didn't say breathing your own methane.

Don't get me started on the virus being present in the fecal matter.

Where they're out there having fun, in the warm California sun..

Making vitamin D.

I saw a note where the people who died from Covid had low serum levels of vitamin D.

Then after April, the worldometer death graph went into a down trend as we in the northern hemisphere enjoy the long hours of sunlight.

Some think that we have a new mutation of the virus which is less virulent, but more contagious.

I'm cautious for this fall and winter as the long days of UV radiation are reduced.

Vitamin D is cheap and available right now.

Blacks and obese people need more of it to make it work I read.

It takes time to load up the fat cells where it's stored.

I seem to remember heavy people, and dark skinned people not doing so good with the virus.

My buddy on the beach cruiser better be reading this.

 

[exchemist]

That's what she said.

She said it with such authority, she had me going.

Until you pointed out the fine print.

She should have taken a free one in case she ever gets the hiccups.

Al least she didn't say breathing your own methane.

Don't get me started on the virus being present in the fecal matter.

Where they're out there having fun, in the warm California sun..

Making vitamin D.

I saw a note where the people who died from Covid had low serum levels of vitamin D.

Then after April, the worldometer death graph went into a down trend as we in the northern hemisphere enjoy the long hours of sunlight.

Some think that we have a new mutation of the virus which is less virulent, but more contagious.

I'm cautious for this fall and winter as the long days of UV radiation are reduced.

Vitamin D is cheap and available right now.

Blacks and obese people need more of it to make it work I read.

It takes time to load up the fat cells where it's stored.

I seem to remember heavy people, and dark skinned people not doing so good with the virus.

My buddy on the beach cruiser better be reading this.

I am now taking vitamin D supplements, on the advice of my medical brother. It can't do any harm and it does help the immune system stay in shape. It seems that there is no conclusive evidence that vitamin D levels correlate with how badly you get it. But people with dark skin make less vitamin D in high latitudes where the sun is weaker in the winter months and they do seem to get the virus worse. We're still trying to find out all the reasons why. (I'm white but I'm over 60 so might as well take as few chances as I can, even though I've already had the virus once - mildly.)

 

[BSM1]

Because you might be asymptomatic, having the virus and not aware of it, for two weeks or more.

During that time you would be a super-spreader if you went around exhaling your aerosolized respiratory droplets without a face covering.

When we BOTH wear a face covering, I protect you, and you protect me.

When we all wear a face covering, we reduce the viral load.

Viral Load:




I get a kick out of this video.

Watch for the big dude on the beach cruiser bike at the end, 4:25.

He gets off the bike and is ready to fight over the issue.

People are on the edge.

I put it on full screen.

On a PC use the shortcut keys for Youtube.

K: Pause.
L: Advance 10 seconds.
J: Rewind 10 seconds.
. : Advance 1 second.
, : Rewind 1 second.

To the sounds of ZZ TOP.

I'm Bad, I'm Nationwide.

Girl I'm Bad Bad Bad Bad Bad,
I'm Nationwide.

But...but...if your mask is working, what difference does it make how many droplets are in the air? Honestly, isn't this more about control than health?

 

[exchemist]

But...but...if your mask is working, what difference does it make how many droplets are in the air? Honestly, isn't this more about control than health?

OK. No.

No mask is 100% effective, in large part because of the gaps around where it is fitted to your face.

Let's try to do this with pictures (courtesy of the French government).

Info Coronavirus COVID-19 - Masques grand public

Scroll this link down a bit and have a look at the 4 pictures. These show the "niveau" (=level) of protection during a contact between a person on the left who is infectious and one on the right who is not. The 4 pictures run through the 4 scenarios in which A no one wears a mask, B only the the non-infectious person wears one, C only the infected person wears one and lastly D where both wear one.

As I have explained, the mask is better at reducing the travel of droplets exhaled by the wearer than at reducing the droplets inhaled. This accounts for why there is more protection when only the infected person wears one than when only the non-infected person does so. But the best of all is when both wear one.

Do you understand this now?

 

[PureX]

Are there good qualities about yourself or are you like those you have mentioned?

You personally. We-means you as well...but I'm asking directly.

When a sane person participates in the insanity all around him, what's the point of his claiming he's sane?

 

[Unveiled Artist]

When a sane person participates in the insanity all around him, what's the point of his claiming he's sane?

Doesn't answer the question though. (Question with a question?)

 

[Dan From Smithville]

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YOU'RE NOT MORE VALUABLE THAN THOSE AROUND YOU -- WEAR THE DAMN MASK

Reading this on a post triggered two thoughts:

1. Yes, I am more valuable than those around me (and I will not discuss this with anyone!).

and

B. If masks work, and assuming your mask is working, what difference does it make if I wear a mask or not?

Serious, or non-serious, answers, please...

Wear a mask guy. You're scaring the children.
.

 

[PureX]

Doesn't answer the question though. (Question with a question?)

I was politely explaining why I think the question is moot.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

But...but...if your mask is working, what difference does it make how many droplets are in the air? Honestly, isn't this more about control than health?

There is no such thing as a mask that filters everything out. And remember what I said about viral load. This is not as hard to understand as you are making it.

And you know, I have to say this: I simply cannot understand why somebody things that wearing a mask, or even being required to wear a mask -- only in certain situations! -- in order to protect self and others is somehow being put upon, that they are being "controlled."

Think back -- all those years you went to public swimming pools, like the Y and other spots, and were required to take a shower before you got in the water. Believe me, in that case, it wasn't for your sake, it's because you were likely filthy, and it was for everybody else's sake.

There really are a lot of people who are being just plain pig-headed and silly about something so simple and effective. Like I said, visit your local hospital and see what the professionals -- the people who actually know this stuff inside out and backwards are doing! Do you think that there's even the tiniest chance that they know something that you don't?

There is a remedy for being uninformed, you know. It's called informing yourself. Look up what the pros are saying. Go further, and read their explanations for why they're saying it. You are not condembed to be permanently uninformed.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

I was politely explaining why I think the question is moot.

How so? You're part of the individual society you're speaking of. If we are that corruptable (or similar words you've mentioned), then I'd assume your previous posts involve yourself, me, neighbors, and every other person.

I'm not sure why you'd have that strong view of society and see individuals like that but it's rare that those who generalize the population probably see themselves as part of the people they talk about.

I was wondering if you are part of the society and individuals you've described or?

 

[Dave Watchman]

But...but...if your mask is working, what difference does it make how many droplets are in the air? Honestly, isn't this more about control than health?

No.

The authorities are not trying to control you, they're trying to control the outbreak.

I'm sure they are staring into the abyss on multiple levels.

The Chemist explains it well here:

No mask is 100% effective, in large part because of the gaps around where it is fitted to your face.

Let's try to do this with pictures (courtesy of the French government).

Info Coronavirus COVID-19 - Masques grand public

Scroll this link down a bit and have a look at the 4 pictures. These show the "niveau" (=level) of protection during a contact between a person on the left who is infectious and one on the right who is not. The 4 pictures run through the 4 scenarios in which A no one wears a mask, B only the the non-infectious person wears one, C only the infected person wears one and lastly D where both wear one.

As I have explained, the mask is better at reducing the travel of droplets exhaled by the wearer than at reducing the droplets inhaled. This accounts for why there is more protection when only the infected person wears one than when only the non-infected person does so. But the best of all is when both wear one.

Do you understand this now?

And your google is as good as mine.

My read is pessimistic for now.

I'm watching this graph at worldometers:

See how the death rate has declined from April to June where we have the longest day of sunlight on the 21st?

Now since June, we've been carving out a bit of a trend channel of higher lows, and slightly higher highs.

I'm watching this chart like a hawk.

Everyday.

If we break out of this channel to the upside, I would load up on vitamin D while it's available.

When my Walmart ran out of toilet paper, they were also out of vitamin D.

If there's any validity to this, it will be bad.

Researchers at the University of East Anglia in May produced a correlation graph showing the relationship between levels of vitamin D (bottom, measured in nmol/l) compared to infection numbers of coronavirus. Countries with low vitamin D levels tend to have the highest case rates per million, they found

Coronavirus: Vitamin D deficient 'at higher risk of death' | Daily Mail Online​

Remember New York City?

Now we might be starting it all over again in winter but this time with many New York Cities spread out all across the USA loaded to the gills now with active cases that the deaths will be based on.

Look at the columns at worldometer.

Picture just a fraction of the almost 2 million active cases in the USA alone moving over to the death column as we go through the dark days of winter.

It could get so bad that they won't have to close the economy down again, the economy will close itself down out of pure fear.

These might be the good old days.

Peaceful Sabbath.

Abstract
The world is in the grip of the COVID-19 pandemic. Public health measures that can reduce the risk of infection and death in addition to quarantines are desperately needed. This article reviews the roles of vitamin D in reducing the risk of respiratory tract infections, knowledge about the epidemiology of influenza and COVID-19, and how vitamin D supplementation might be a useful measure to reduce risk. Through several mechanisms, vitamin D can reduce risk of infections. Those mechanisms include inducing cathelicidins and defensins that can lower viral replication rates and reducing concentrations of pro-inflammatory cytokines that produce the inflammation that injures the lining of the lungs, leading to pneumonia, as well as increasing concentrations of anti-inflammatory cytokines.
Evidence that Vitamin D Supplementation Could Reduce Risk of Influenza and COVID-19 Infections and Deaths - PubMed

Vitamin D and Covid-19
Press release from the French National Academy of Medicine
Vitamin D is a prohormone synthesized in the dermis
under the effect of ultraviolet light, i.e.
sunrays, and then transported to the liver and kidney, where it is transformed into an active
hormone. It is responsible for intestinal absorption of calcium and bone health.

But vitamin D also has unconventional effects. In particular, it modulates the functioning of
the immune system by stimulating macrophages and dendritic cells [1,2,3]. It plays a role in
regulating and suppressing the cytokine inflammatory response that causes the acute
respiratory distress syndrome that characterizes the severe and often lethal forms of Covid-19.

A significant correlation between low serum vitaminD levels and mortality from the Covid-
19 has been shown [4]. This phenomenon generally follows a North-South gradient, although
there are exceptions such as the Nordic countries,where vitamin D nutrient supplementation,
particularly from milk products, is systematic. However, Southern European countries show a
surprisingly high prevalence of vitamin D deficiency, despite higher levels of sunlight [5].

This would explain why infants, who receive vitamin D regularly, have asymptomatic forms
of Covid-19 and fewer complications.

http://www.academie-medecine.fr/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/20.5.22-Vitamine-D-et-coronavirus-ENG.pdf​

 

[Quetzal]

I would think I'm making my perspective very clear, here. What about it do you wish to discuss?

Do you believe you perspective applies to all Americans? For example...

And all we are in this country, now, are a bunch of aimless, powerless, victims of our own willful disunity and selfishness. We can't even be bothered to wear a mask during a pandemic for the sake of our neighbors.

Who is we?

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

One of Britain's greatest actor/comedians has a nice little film on masks -- and why they now may be even better than lockdowns. Stephen Fry -- gotta love him!

 

[Revoltingest]

But...but...if your mask is working, what difference does it make how many droplets are in the air? Honestly, isn't this more about control than health?

Masks will intercept a particular percentage of droplets.
Higher air concentration means more making it past the mask.
The greater the number passing the mask, the greater the
number inhaled, & the higher the probability of infection.

About control.....
Consider that as more people become infected & suffer &/or die,
politicians will respond. Control is an inexorable consequence of
politicians seeking re-election. They might panic.
Which control do you prefer.....
1) Masks & social distancing?
2) Desperate economic shut-down.

When facing political reality, I vote for the most libertarian
solution to a problem, ie, #1 is superior to a stinking pile of #2.

 

[Mock Turtle]

Why men are less likely to wear face masks

One of the most recent analyses of male behaviour was carried out by Valerio Capraro, a senior lecturer in Economics at Middlesex University, and Canadian mathematician Hélène Barcelo, from the Mathematical Science Research Institute, Berkeley. The academics surveyed nearly 2,500 people in the US and found that men were not only less inclined to wear face masks than women. They also considered that donning a mask was "shameful, not cool and a sign of weakness".

"Men are less inclined to wear a face covering, and one of the main reasons is that they are more likely to believe that they will be relatively unaffected by the disease compared to women," adds the scientist. "This is particularly ironic because official statistics show that actually coronavirus impacts men more seriously than women." Other studies have consistently shown that men are also less compliant towards hand-washing, one of the basic hygiene measures to help prevent the spread of Covid-19 - with one recent poll finding that 65% of women but only 52% of men say they are washing their hands regularly.

Supporters of President Donald Trump's Republican Party are less likely than Democratic Party supporters to wear masks, according to a number of surveys. One released by the Pew Research Center on 25 June had 76% of Democrat voters declaring they wear a mask "all or most of the time in stores and other businesses" against 53% of Republicans. But even in that context, gender seems to be a stronger factor when it comes to defining behaviours: the Kaiser Family Foundation, a US NGO focused on public health issues, found in May that 68% of Republican-supporting women frequently wore a mask outside the home. The men? Only 49% said they put one on when going out.

Alongside the academic work, real life also seems to provide evidence that men are less careful. Car insurance providers have historically charged women lower premiums, because men are behind most road traffic accidents worldwide - although there is the caveat that the world has more male than female drivers. Another curious example is the infamous Darwin Award, which highlights the most absurd (and avoidable) deaths. Data from 1995 to 2014 showed that men made up almost 90% of the "winners".

Still not going to wear a mask?

 

[Mock Turtle]

 

[PureX]

How so? You're part of the individual society you're speaking of. If we are that corruptable (or similar words you've mentioned), then I'd assume your previous posts involve yourself, me, neighbors, and every other person.

I'm not sure why you'd have that strong view of society and see individuals like that but it's rare that those who generalize the population probably see themselves as part of the people they talk about.

I was wondering if you are part of the society and individuals you've described or?

We are ALL PART OF THE PROBLEM BECAUSE WE ALL PARTICIPATE IN OUR SELFISH, CORRUPT, UNNECESSARILY BRUTAL SOCIETY. Thinking that we are somehow innocent is a big part of the problem.

 

[PureX]

Do you believe you perspective applies to all Americans?

Yes, it does. Selfishness is our way of life. We call it "freedom", just like we mislabel the exploitation of our fellow citizens, "commerce", and the rule of wealth, "justice".

Who is we?

It's ALL OF US. We are all participating in a culture and social order that is totally corrupted by selfishness, greed, willful ignorance, and mutual exploitation.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

We are ALL PART OF THE PROBLEM BECAUSE WE ALL PARTICIPATE IN OUR SELFISH, CORRUPT, UNNECESSARILY BRUTAL SOCIETY. Thinking that we are somehow innocent is a big part of the problem.

No caps. Hurts my eyes. Most caps I don't read anyway.

How are you part of the problem?

Can you be part of the solution?