The Miracle of Water.

[Hockeycowboy]

Yes, Amoeba are invisible till you see them under a microscope but they are intelligent and know what to eat. I have had contacts with Amoeba. Is that what you meant, Hockeycowboy? Basically it was a 'Miracle of Water'. I was in an area where people used to drink canal water.
If 'physical energy' is there (light, photons, heat electricity, etc), then God is not required. 'Physical energy' itself would do the job. That is what happened after Big-Bang.
Yeah, many people existed before Bible was written and worshiped other Gods. The God of Bible was a new entrant to the list after Bible was written.

RigVeda Says "Gods are later than this world's production" (Rig Veda: Rig-Veda, Book 10: HYMN CXXIX. Creation., Hindu Creation Hymn, Verse 6). Absolutely true.

I appreciate your input. Though I thought you stated one time that you've had interaction with Hindu entities. Did I misunderstand?

 

[Hockeycowboy]

I'm not sure how that helps your case. Everything is still *physical* and subject to natural, physical laws. Saying God is made out of energy just makes God subject to those physical laws.

As invisible energy life?

I doubt we can can completely understand that concept, right now. Not with our fledgling understanding of scientific fields.

 

[Aupmanyav]

I appreciate your input. Though I thought you stated one time that you've had interaction with Hindu entities. Did I misunderstand?

You are right. I am an atheist but I also have another personality, that of a theist. So, when I speak as an atheist, I am strictly so. And when I speak as a theist like most of my fellow Hindus, these male characters of my mythology are my pals. I do not trifle with our Goddesses, they are Mothers and highly respected.

Edited to add: I am from a brahmin family, very well acquainted with Hindu scriptures and I am not anti-theist. I cannot afford to be one since 99% of my people are theists. So, with theists, I come with stories that please them, without affecting my 'advaita' (non-dual) brand of atheism, which is permitted in Hinduism.

 

[Polymath257]

As invisible energy life?

I doubt we can can completely understand that concept, right now. Not with our fledgling understanding of scientific fields.

All energy we know about is associated with some type of particle. Life is a complex system of interactions of the sort that requires (as far as we know) matter. So I don't see the likelihood of 'invisible energy life' as likely or something to worry about until see actually detect any form of energy that isn't associated with physical particles.

 

[tas8831]

Water Ice Confirmed on the Surface of the Moon for the 1st Time!
Water Ice Confirmed on the Surface of the Moon for the 1st Time!

Such a miracle - those moon-men are so blessed!

 

[BilliardsBall]

Heh, so asking for proof isn't allowed?
And once again, the Bible isn't evidence.
Finally, constraints defeats the purpose of an omniscient god.

1) Asking for proof re: a particular religion while discounting the constraints of that religion is a strawman tactic.
2) The Bible isn't evidence for WHAT?
3) This particular omniscient God says in the Bible, "I reveal myself to open individuals, primarily through preaching." Be open.

 

[Subduction Zone]

1) Asking for proof re: a particular religion while discounting the constraints of that religion is a strawman tactic.[/qoute]

How so? It appears that you are using a term that you have used against yourself so many times. It is like the misuse of the claim of "ad hominem" of creationists.

2) The Bible isn't evidence for WHAT?

Not much of anything that I have seen.

3) This particular omniscient God says in the Bible, "I reveal myself to open individuals, primarily through preaching." Be open.

So your God admits to being dishonest and inconsistent? How does that help your case? This claim sets up a circular argument. How can the claims of your God be tested? What reasonable test would show him to be wrong?

 

[BilliardsBall]

Anything a little more current and verifiable?

I see, so if it's in the Bible, even if answering your question, you come to it with a presupposed bias.

 

[BilliardsBall]

You don't have a 100% success rate. What you have is confirmation bias and wishful thinking. Heck, you don't even have a workable hypothesis.
Thankfully, scientists don't do science the way you do.

100% of the time, when giving money I need that I don't have, it comes back.

 

[SkepticThinker]

I see, so if it's in the Bible, even if answering your question, you come to it with a presupposed bias.

Yep. My presupposed bias is that we can't test that claim from the Bible that supposedly happened thousands of years ago. (Do you know some way of doing that?) Hence the reason I ask for something more current.

Isn't it strange that these miraculous healings where limbs grow back don't seem to happen in modern times where it could be observed and recorded and verified. They all seemed to stop once recording devices were invented. How strange.

 

[SkepticThinker]

100% of the time, when giving money I need that I don't have, it comes back.

You're really not understanding how this science stuff works, are you?
Biased anecdotes don't cut it.

 

[tas8831]

But invisible intelligent life exists.

Question begging. So impressive.

And many RF members here, including @Mindmaster, @Aupmanyav, and others, have had contact with some.

Do you dispute the legitimacy of their accounts?

Yes.

 

[tas8831]

The universe is not subject to evolution, so did these wonders just pop into existence by undirected chance?

Chemistry and physics are not "chance."

You lose, as always.[/QUOTE]

 

[tas8831]

I find in artist's drawings the Ark was Not a tiny wooden boat. It was Not Noah's boat.
It does Not take around 50 years to build a boat, but it took Noah and company decades to complete the Ark.
Plus, the Ark was Not boat shaped. The Ark did Not have to be steered anywhere but just float.

And yet, it came to rest on a mountain pretty close to where it launched from. Quite a coincidence, no? I am wondering if it had something to do with the fact that the people who wrote those myths did not know that there were other continents...

 

[tas8831]

I find there is No organization without intelligence. Where we find intelligence we find a mind.
Where there is a mind there is person, and where there is a person there is a personality.

So your only logical conclusion is that a human organized the universe. After all, the only 'mind' we know of that is capable of such a degree of organization is a human mind.

 

[tas8831]

If the human immune system functioned at peak performance, we would not ever get sick at all. That is how amazing it is.

unshun

LOL!

It appears that you understand immunology as well as you understand evolution -

You would absolutely have to get sick to become immune to anything. That you get sick is a weakness in our several lines of defense.
The immune system, as such, ONLY deals with pathogens that have already beaten or circumvented your other defenses. And your immune system's response to infection is generally what initially what makes you feel sick (and if your immune system cannot handle the job, you get sicker and may die).

As was the case with your empty rhetoric on evolution, I suggest that you learn about the immune system before making silly claims about it (and not from religious videos).

reshun

 

[BilliardsBall]

Yep. My presupposed bias is that we can't test that claim from the Bible that supposedly happened thousands of years ago. (Do you know some way of doing that?) Hence the reason I ask for something more current.

Isn't it strange that these miraculous healings where limbs grow back don't seem to happen in modern times where it could be observed and recorded and verified. They all seemed to stop once recording devices were invented. How strange.

Yet while no one other than God, ancient or modern, can predict/force healings, I've offered you a test you can do now--tithe.

 

[BilliardsBall]

You're really not understanding how this science stuff works, are you?
Biased anecdotes don't cut it.

No--I have multiple observations--you are using "biased" because if I'm lying, that makes your lack of effort regarding God simple.

If I tell you whether you will brown or black shoes for a year, daily, we are looking at 2^365 and you say, "What are you manipulating?"

I've seen God come through many, many times.

 

[tas8831]

With all the advances in science, you'd think that cancer would be a thing of the past by now,

So I guess you didn't understand that the immune system you claim to be so great can usually take care of malignant cells, but when the immune system is overwhelmed we call it cancer.

but it seems to me that medicine is medieval when it comes to cancer treatments. Why would you give an already ailing body, poison?

Easiest way to kill cancer cells - what, you couldn't find a Cancer website with information simplistic enough for you to understand? - is to affect their ability to undergo mitosis, since cancer cells are rapidly-dividing cells.

Since you pretend to know a great deal about science, what do you think 'science' should be doing re: cancer?

They have had a cure for cancer for decades but it is out of the reach of most people thanks to pressure from the pharmaceutical industry.

And you are a conspiracy nut, too- surprise surprise!

What I never understand about people that say this is how they think that a cure for cancer would NOT make Big Pharma billions?

 

[URAVIP2ME]

So your only logical conclusion is that a human organized the universe. After all, the only 'mind' we know of that is capable of such a degree of organization is a human mind.

I find where there is organization there is a mind, where there is a mind there is a person, where there is a person there is a personality. Since No human organized the universe, then the person that organized the Universe is God as Creator - Revelation 4:11.

Plus, if man set off the Big Bang (as with the rest of man's explosions) there would be chaos and No order.