The Myths of Christianity

[sojourner]

Then who is the Messiah of Daniel 9 vs25,26?
The weeks of years Daniel wrote about marked the time frame for the people.
Why were the people of the first century in expectation [Luke 3v15] of the Messiah if there was no indication?

Not Jesus, according to the Jews. The author of Daniel had no concept of Jesus. The 1st century people were in expectation just as their earlier ancestors had been in expectation, and just as we are in expectation.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Not Jesus, according to the Jews. The author of Daniel had no concept of Jesus. The 1st century people were in expectation just as their earlier ancestors had been in expectation, and just as we are in expectation.

Daniel would not have known who would prove to be the Messiah mentioned at Daniel 9vs25,26, but does that mean that Daniel's prophecy of weeks of years [vs27] would not pin point to the first-century time of Christ?

 

[sojourner]

Daniel would not have known who would prove to be the Messiah mentioned at Daniel 9vs25,26, but does that mean that Daniel's prophecy of weeks of years [vs27] would not pin point to the first-century time of Christ?

Once again, prophecy isn't a future prediction. It's a statement about they way things are in a world understood to have its being in God.

 

[McBell]

Once again, prophecy isn't a future prediction. It's a statement about they way things are in a world understood to have its being in God.

Since when?

"WordNet (r) 2.0"
prophecy
n
1: knowledge of the future (usually said to be obtained from a
divine source)
2: a prediction uttered under divine inspiration​

 

[sojourner]

Since when?

"WordNet (r) 2.0"
prophecy
n
1: knowledge of the future (usually said to be obtained from a
divine source)
2: a prediction uttered under divine inspiration​

Of course, you realize that prophecy was invented before WordNet?...
it just may be possible that WordNet ignored the theological stance in its definition...

 

[McBell]

Of course, you realize that prophecy was invented before WordNet?...
it just may be possible that WordNet ignored the theological stance in its definition...

*yawn*

Webster's 1828 Dictionary
Prophesy
PROPH'ESY, v.t. To foretell future events; to predict.

I hate him, for he doth not prophesy good concerning

me, but evil. 1 Ki 22.

1. To foreshow. [Little used.]

PROPH'ESY, v.i. To utter predictions; to make declaration of events to come. Jer 11.
​

Perhaps you would be so kind as to present the source of your preferred definition?

 

[sojourner]

*yawn*

Webster's 1828 Dictionary
Prophesy
PROPH'ESY, v.t. To foretell future events; to predict.

I hate him, for he doth not prophesy good concerning

me, but evil. 1 Ki 22.

1. To foreshow. [Little used.]

PROPH'ESY, v.i. To utter predictions; to make declaration of events to come. Jer 11.
​

Perhaps you would be so kind as to present the source of your preferred definition?

*Yawn*
Westminster Dictionary of Theological Terms

PROPHECY (Gr. propheteia, Lat. prophetia)
Speaking on behalf of God to communicate God's will for a situation.

PROPHET (Heb. nabi', Gr. prophetes, "one who announces")
One who speaks on behalf of God to God's people, most prominently the Hebrew prophets whose writings are found in the Old Testament.

Since "prophecy" (especially in our context here) is a theological term, the theological dictionary trumps Webster.:clap

 

[McBell]

*Yawn*
Westminster Dictionary of Theological Terms

PROPHECY (Gr. propheteia, Lat. prophetia)
Speaking on behalf of God to communicate God's will for a situation.

PROPHET (Heb. nabi', Gr. prophetes, "one who announces")
One who speaks on behalf of God to God's people, most prominently the Hebrew prophets whose writings are found in the Old Testament.

Since "prophecy" (especially in our context here) is a theological term, the theological dictionary trumps Webster.:clap

**yawn**
You forgot the Biblical references.
Take you time.

 

[sojourner]

**yawn**
You forgot the Biblical references.
Take you time.

The obvious: Isaiah 6; Jeremiah 1 (esp. through vs. 10); Ezekiel 2:1-4; Daniel 2:20-23; Hosea 1:2; Joel 1:1,2:28. These, I believe, make it quite clear that the prophet is meant to be God's mouthpiece.

Cheerfully provided, although you certainly haven't provided any compelling Biblical argument that the basis for prophecy is fortune-telling.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

The basis for prophecy is Scripture. Jesus prophesied using Scripture.
Explaining Scriptures for Christians is prophesying.

 

[Walkntune]

Once again, prophecy isn't a future prediction. It's a statement about they way things are in a world understood to have its being in God.

Is there a difference to you between a revelation and a prophecy?

 

[McBell]

The obvious: Isaiah 6; Jeremiah 1 (esp. through vs. 10); Ezekiel 2:1-4; Daniel 2:20-23; Hosea 1:2; Joel 1:1,2:28. These, I believe, make it quite clear that the prophet is meant to be God's mouthpiece.

Cheerfully provided, although you certainly haven't provided any compelling Biblical argument that the basis for prophecy is fortune-telling.

realy?
You do not see it?
Sad that.
But ok, I do concede that the word prophecy is more than just future predictions.

 

[sojourner]

The basis for prophecy is Scripture. Jesus prophesied using Scripture.
Explaining Scriptures for Christians is prophesying.

Weeell...
Mk.

I basically agree, although I would remind you that Isaiah didn't prophesy with scripture. What he said became scripture. The basis for prophecy is God's truth. And explaining the truth of scripture can be prophetic.

 

[sojourner]

realy?
You do not see it?
Sad that.
But ok, I do concede that the word prophecy is more than just future predictions.

When the prophet speaks, s/he speaks God's truth. The acceptance or rejection of that truth forms what the outcome may be (which usually takes the form of a "prediction.") However, that outcome always points to God, and not to "generic future events."

 

[Muffled]

No, that is an interpretation that is unsupported.

I am reminded of doctors who hearing about people being healed at a healing session attributed it to natural causes.

That is like saying that the magician who pulls a rabbit out of a hat did so because the rabbit was in the hat, lol.

God said people would be blessed through Abraham and they are blessed through Jesus a descendant of Abraham in every nation. I don't see any disjunction between the promise and the fulfillment of the promise.

 

[Muffled]

The basis for prophecy is Scripture. Jesus prophesied using Scripture.
Explaining Scriptures for Christians is prophesying.

Only if God is giving the explanation.

Jesus prophesied without using scriptures. As God He can do that.

 

[logician]

The basis for prophecy is Scripture. Jesus prophesied using Scripture.
Explaining Scriptures for Christians is prophesying.

Was he using the King James Version?

 

[dogsgod]

Was he using the King James Version?

Yes, he spoke the king's English.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Was he using the King James Version?

Did the apostles use the King James Version?_______

When Jesus quoted or referred to Scripture Jesus often prefaced his statements with, "It is written". Where was it written but in the 'Hebrew Scriptures' that were written in Hebrew, not Latin, not English.

 

[Pegg]

Yes, he spoke the king's English.

who was the king in Jesus day?