The Nation of Islam; Your thoughts on this

[NewChapter]

As-Salaam Alaikum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatu.

Hi, my name is Noah. I am NOT a Muslim but I just used the above greeting customarily...

I wanted to ask a question to Muslims about the American Muslim group, the Nation of Islam. The question is about it's founder.

That group's founder is named Wallace Ford, but he is called by that group "W. Fard Muhammad." That group claims that Mr. Ford is the Mahdi that the Muslim world has been expecting to come.

My question for the Muslims at this site is this: In the year 1926 CE Mr. Ford was found guilty of selling illegal narcotics in California, USA. Here is the mugshot from his conviction showing the year, 1926 and what Mr. Ford was found guilty of, violating California's "State Poison Act:"

Those intimately familiar with the Nation of Islam will recognize the "W.D." in the mugshot.

My question is: Is it possible in your opinion that a man who spent 3 years in prison for selling illegal narcotics could really be the Mahdi that the Muslim world has been expecting to come?

Thank you for all answers.

Peace to you,
Noah

 

[Pastek]

Wa alikom asalam

1- The Mahdi is supposed to come when Jesus' come back (position of sunisme)

2- The Mahdi is an arab. It was said in many hadiths, that he is from Prophet Muhammad (saw) offspring.

3- In general we believe that Nation of Islam is a sect.

 

[use_your_brain]

The mahdi does not emerge yet. Predating his emerging there will be a great fighting and massacre in Jumratul Aqabah (4 mil from mecca). His emerging also will follow the emerging of Dajjal/Anti Christ. Mahdi will not belong to a supernatural power, since he is a common man. Muslims from around the world will fight with him, they will oppose him.

 

[mojtaba]

Mahdi will not belong to a supernatural power, since he is a common man.

Are you sure brother?

1.Imam Mahdi and angels

عَنِ النَّبِيِّ صلى الله عليه وسلم قَالَ ‏"‏ الْمَدِينَةُ يَأْتِيهَا الدَّجَّالُ، فَيَجِدُ الْمَلاَئِكَةَ يَحْرُسُونَهَا، فَلاَ يَقْرَبُهَا الدَّجَّالُ قَالَ ـ وَلاَ الطَّاعُونُ، إِنْ شَاءَ اللَّهُ ‏"‏‏.‏
​

The Prophet (pbuh) said, "Ad-Dajjal will come to Medina and find the angels guarding it. So Allah willing, neither Ad-Dajjal, nor plague will be able to come near it."
Source: Sahih al-Bukhari, Afflictions and the End of the World, Hadith 81

2.Supernatural events after his appearance

عنْ رَسُولِ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم قَالَ ‏"‏ لاَ تَقُومُ السَّاعَةُ حَتَّى تُقَاتِلُوا الْيَهُودَ حَتَّى يَقُولَ الْحَجَرُ وَرَاءَهُ الْيَهُودِيُّ يَا مُسْلِمُ، هَذَا يَهُودِيٌّ وَرَائِي ‏"‏‏.‏​

Allah's Messenger (pbuh) said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me"
Sorce: Sahih al-Bukhari, Fighting for the Cause of Allah (Jihaad), Hadith 139

And other Hadiths

 

[use_your_brain]

Are you sure brother?

1.Imam Mahdi and angels

عَنِ النَّبِيِّ صلى الله عليه وسلم قَالَ ‏"‏ الْمَدِينَةُ يَأْتِيهَا الدَّجَّالُ، فَيَجِدُ الْمَلاَئِكَةَ يَحْرُسُونَهَا، فَلاَ يَقْرَبُهَا الدَّجَّالُ قَالَ ـ وَلاَ الطَّاعُونُ، إِنْ شَاءَ اللَّهُ ‏"‏‏.‏
​

The Prophet (pbuh) said, "Ad-Dajjal will come to Medina and find the angels guarding it. So Allah willing, neither Ad-Dajjal, nor plague will be able to come near it."
Source: Sahih al-Bukhari, Afflictions and the End of the World, Hadith 81

2.Supernatural events after his appearance

عنْ رَسُولِ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم قَالَ ‏"‏ لاَ تَقُومُ السَّاعَةُ حَتَّى تُقَاتِلُوا الْيَهُودَ حَتَّى يَقُولَ الْحَجَرُ وَرَاءَهُ الْيَهُودِيُّ يَا مُسْلِمُ، هَذَا يَهُودِيٌّ وَرَائِي ‏"‏‏.‏​

Allah's Messenger (pbuh) said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me"
Sorce: Sahih al-Bukhari, Fighting for the Cause of Allah (Jihaad), Hadith 139

And other Hadiths

Mahdi and Medina? which one do you refer to?

 

[mojtaba]

Mahdi and Medina? which one do you refer to?

Brother, you said in post #3, "His[Mahdi] emerging also will follow the emerging of Dajjal/Anti Christ."

So when Dajjal, one of the enemies of Imam Mahdi comes to Medina, finds the angels guarding it.

Brother, I know the difference between Madinatunnabi[Madina] and Mahdi.

 

[use_your_brain]

Brother, you said in post #3, "His[Mahdi] emerging also will follow the emerging of Dajjal/Anti Christ."

So when Dajjal, one of the enemies of Imam Mahdi comes to Medina, finds the angels guarding it.

Brother, I know the difference between Madinatunnabi[Madina] and Mahdi.

Dajjall will approach the Medinah and Mekkah not because of hunting the Mahdi.

 

[DawudTalut]

As-Salaam Alaikum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatu.......I wanted to ask a question to Muslims about the American Muslim group, the Nation of Islam. The question is about it's founder........My question is: Is it possible in your opinion that a man who spent 3 years in prison for selling illegal narcotics could really be the Mahdi that the Muslim world has been expecting to come?Thank you for all answers.

Peace to you,
Noah

Peace be on you.
1= There is none worthy of worship of worship except Allah, Muhammad is His Messenger.........
It is the first thing to accept for a Muslim, other matters come latter.


2= Please read following
https://www.noi.org/muslim-program/
about
'What The Muslims Believe"
Why there is no mention of Holy Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w.) in clear words.
Allah and Quran are mentioned though.

3= Mahdi concept is far in line and latter days' related issue.....Mahdi has to restore true teaching of Holy Prophet Muhammad. Mahdi means 'guided by God'.

[According to Ahmadiyya-Muslims, for peaceful revival of Islam --- the promised Messiah Mahdi has come (with promised Khilafat) as one servant of Holy Prophet Muhammad s.a.w. -- www.alislam.org
and Ahmadiyya DIR in RF]

 

[mojtaba]

Dajjall will approach the Medinah and Mekkah not because of hunting the Mahdi.

Any way, if Imam Mahdi is a common man, these such supernatrual events would not occur. Also, Dajjal is one of the enemies of Imam Mahdi.

Here is another Hadith regarding Imam Mahdi

عن أبي سعيد الخدري رضي الله عنه أن رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم قال يخرج في آخر أمتي المهدي يسقيه الله الغيث وتخرج الأرض نباتها ويعطى المال صحاحا وتكثر الماشية وتعظم الأمة يعيش سبعا أو ثمانيا يعني حججا.هذا حديث صحيح الإسناد ولم يخرجاه.​

Allah's Messenger said, " Mahdi will emerge and Allah will give him to drink of rain[i.e., it rains because of Mahdi, or Mahdi will drink the water of knowledge, the first is better] and the earth will emerge its growings .... " This Hadith is Sahih.

 

[use_your_brain]

Any way, if Imam Mahdi is a common man, these such supernatrual events would not occur. Also, Dajjal is one of the enemies of Imam Mahdi.

Here is another Hadith regarding Imam Mahdi

عن أبي سعيد الخدري رضي الله عنه أن رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم قال يخرج في آخر أمتي المهدي يسقيه الله الغيث وتخرج الأرض نباتها ويعطى المال صحاحا وتكثر الماشية وتعظم الأمة يعيش سبعا أو ثمانيا يعني حججا.هذا حديث صحيح الإسناد ولم يخرجاه.​

Allah's Messenger said, " Mahdi will emerge and Allah will give him to drink of rain[i.e., it rains because of Mahdi, or Mahdi will drink the water of knowledge, the first is better] and the earth will emerge its growings .... " This Hadith is Sahih.

Yes Allah will help the persons who He wishes. But not the Mahdi who able to bring in such rain according to his wish.

 

[mojtaba]

Yes Allah will help the persons who He wishes. But not the Mahdi who able to bring in such rain according to his wish.

Yes brother. All supernatural doings of all Prophets or Imams are with Allah's live.

Holy Qur'an, 27:40
The one who had knowledge of the Book said, ‘I will bring it to you in the twinkling of an eye.’ So when he saw it set near him, he[Solomon] said, ‘This is by the grace of my Lord, to test me if I will give thanks or be ungrateful. Whoever gives thanks, gives thanks only for his own sake. And whoever is ungrateful [should know that] my Lord is indeed all-sufficient, all-generous.’

 

[use_your_brain]

Yes brother. All supernatural doings of all Prophets or Imams are with Allah's live.

Holy Qur'an, 27:40
The one who had knowledge of the Book said, ‘I will bring it to you in the twinkling of an eye.’ So when he saw it set near him, he[Solomon] said, ‘This is by the grace of my Lord, to test me if I will give thanks or be ungrateful. Whoever gives thanks, gives thanks only for his own sake. And whoever is ungrateful [should know that] my Lord is indeed all-sufficient, all-generous.’

and what does the mahdi can do supernaturally?

 

[mojtaba]

and what does the mahdi can do supernaturally?

Allah's Messenger said, " Mahdi will emerge and Allah will give him to drink of rain[i.e., it rains because of Mahdi, or Mahdi will drink the water of divine knowledge, anyway the first is better] and the earth will emerge its growings .... " This Hadith is Sahih.

Al-Mustadrak 'Ala al-Sahihayn by Hakim, vol. 4, pg. 8672.

This is only an example in sunni sources.

Also, there are in sunni books the supernatural doings of Shia Imams. I can bring for you the references. Now it is the time of Salt al-Zohr. Good luck.

 

[Smart_Guy]

Are you sure brother?

1.Imam Mahdi and angels

عَنِ النَّبِيِّ صلى الله عليه وسلم قَالَ ‏"‏ الْمَدِينَةُ يَأْتِيهَا الدَّجَّالُ، فَيَجِدُ الْمَلاَئِكَةَ يَحْرُسُونَهَا، فَلاَ يَقْرَبُهَا الدَّجَّالُ قَالَ ـ وَلاَ الطَّاعُونُ، إِنْ شَاءَ اللَّهُ ‏"‏‏.‏
​

The Prophet (pbuh) said, "Ad-Dajjal will come to Medina and find the angels guarding it. So Allah willing, neither Ad-Dajjal, nor plague will be able to come near it."
Source: Sahih al-Bukhari, Afflictions and the End of the World, Hadith 81

2.Supernatural events after his appearance

عنْ رَسُولِ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم قَالَ ‏"‏ لاَ تَقُومُ السَّاعَةُ حَتَّى تُقَاتِلُوا الْيَهُودَ حَتَّى يَقُولَ الْحَجَرُ وَرَاءَهُ الْيَهُودِيُّ يَا مُسْلِمُ، هَذَا يَهُودِيٌّ وَرَائِي ‏"‏‏.‏​

Allah's Messenger (pbuh) said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me"
Sorce: Sahih al-Bukhari, Fighting for the Cause of Allah (Jihaad), Hadith 139

And other Hadiths

Salam bro.

Do you know Arabic very well?

 

[use_your_brain]

Allah's Messenger said, " Mahdi will emerge and Allah will give him to drink of rain[i.e., it rains because of Mahdi, or Mahdi will drink the water of divine knowledge, anyway the first is better] and the earth will emerge its growings .... " This Hadith is Sahih.

Al-Mustadrak 'Ala al-Sahihayn by Hakim, vol. 4, pg. 8672.

This is only an example in sunni sources.

Also, there are in sunni books the supernatural doings of Shia Imams. I can bring for you the references. Now it is the time of Salt al-Zohr. Good luck.

That hadith doesn't imply the Mahdi can perform the supernatural actions, like be performed by Angels Harut and Marut, Sulaiman, Isa and some prophets, and also by Dajjal.

 

[FearGod]

As-Salaam Alaikum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatu.

Hi, my name is Noah. I am NOT a Muslim but I just used the above greeting customarily...

I wanted to ask a question to Muslims about the American Muslim group, the Nation of Islam. The question is about it's founder.

That group's founder is named Wallace Ford, but he is called by that group "W. Fard Muhammad." That group claims that Mr. Ford is the Mahdi that the Muslim world has been expecting to come.

My question for the Muslims at this site is this: In the year 1926 CE Mr. Ford was found guilty of selling illegal narcotics in California, USA. Here is the mugshot from his conviction showing the year, 1926 and what Mr. Ford was found guilty of, violating California's "State Poison Act:"

Those intimately familiar with the Nation of Islam will recognize the "W.D." in the mugshot.

My question is: Is it possible in your opinion that a man who spent 3 years in prison for selling illegal narcotics could really be the Mahdi that the Muslim world has been expecting to come?

Thank you for all answers.

Peace to you,
Noah

Mahdi will never come before the establishment of the state of Israel and such state
and the Jewish people have to be stronger while the Muslims are the weaker.
When the last promise came, then we can see all the signs coming one after the
other, including the Mahdi and the 2nd return of Jesus.

Actually the destruction of Syria is one of the signs which says he's coming and God
only knows who's he.

 

[FearGod]

That hadith doesn't imply the Mahdi can perform the supernatural actions, like be performed by Angels Harut and Marut, Sulaiman, Isa and some prophets, and also by Dajjal.

I agree with you.

The Dajjal is a supernatural power, i may think of it as the evil power.
Mahdi is a normal person and can't beat the Dajjal, only Jesus peace be upon him
will be able to end the power of the evil.

 

[NewChapter]

Peace be on you.
1= There is none worthy of worship of worship except Allah, Muhammad is His Messenger.........
It is the first thing to accept for a Muslim, other matters come latter.


2= Please read following
https://www.noi.org/muslim-program/
about
'What The Muslims Believe"
Why there is no mention of Holy Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w.) in clear words.
Allah and Quran are mentioned though.

3= Mahdi concept is far in line and latter days' related issue.....Mahdi has to restore true teaching of Holy Prophet Muhammad. Mahdi means 'guided by God'.

[According to Ahmadiyya-Muslims, for peaceful revival of Islam --- the promised Messiah Mahdi has come (with promised Khilafat) as one servant of Holy Prophet Muhammad s.a.w. -- www.alislam.org
and Ahmadiyya DIR in RF]

I disbelieve in the NOI but their site says this about the Prophets:

What The Muslims Believe

2. WE BELIEVE in the Holy Qur’an and in the Scriptures of all the Prophets of God.

4. WE BELIEVE in Allah’s Prophets and the Scriptures they brought to the people.

Apparently they are lying again here, if they lie to try to steal money.

They apparently DON'T BELIEVE in Qur'an 2:42.

 

[Jiddanand]

Islam is defeating the whole society. My thoughts on this.

 

[mojtaba]

That hadith doesn't imply the Mahdi can perform the supernatural actions, like be performed by Angels Harut and Marut, Sulaiman, Isa and some prophets, and also by Dajjal.

Well.
Mahdi is between Ahlul Bayt

«قال رسول الله صل الله علیه و آله و سلم: «الْمَهْدِيُّ مِنْ عِتْرَتِي مِنْ وَلَدِ فَاطِمَة​

The Prophet (peace be upon him and his progeny) said: The Mahdi will be of my family, of the descendants of Fatimah. Hadith is Sahih
-Sunan Abi Dawud, Kitab Al-Mahdi, Hadith 6[Sahih Hadith]

Prophet Muhammad also has said that we should obey his Ahlul Bayt(See Hadith al-Thaqalayn). Imam Ali is between Ahlul Bayt[Hadith Kisa], Because Mahdi is also between Ahlul Bayt, so the ff Hadith which is about Imam Ali agrees also for him,

"The Messenger of Allah (pbuh) called 'Ali on the Day (of the battle) of At-Ta'if, and spoke privately with him, so the people said: 'His private conversation with his cousin has grown lengthy.' So the Messenger of Allah (pbuh) said: 'I did not speak privately with him, rather Allah spoke privately with him.'"
(Tirmidhi, the author of the book says: Abu 'Isa said: This hadith is Hasan)
Jami` at-Tirmidhi, Book 49, Hadith 4092.

Also according to Qur'an and Hadith, Ahlul Bayt are infallible,
[33:33]Indeed Allah desires to repel all impurity from you, O Ahl al-Bayt, and purify you with a thorough purification.

A normal man is not infallible.

Good luck brother.