ThereIsNoSpoon
Active Member
Your wrong. It doesnt conclusively follow.
A counter example would be if Satan himself invented Islam.
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The Noble Quran Was Not Written By Satan.
- Thread starter Zhakir
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A counter example would be if Satan himself invented Islam.
Response: There's the statement. Where's the proof?
ThereIsNoSpoon
Active Member
You said:
As I said already... if Satan himself invented islam then of course the God in the quran would be not the real god. Hence you wouldnt follow "God" when following the quran nor would you seek refuge with God, you would only follow and try to seek refuge with what Satan presented AS god.
Apart of that. Even if it were different. You yourself admit that Satans words might not directly lead to evil. It is reasonable to assume that he includes SOME good advice in between all the bad advices he would make.
Response: And as I said, if Satan did write the qur'an, he does not lead you to do good. The commandments of Allah in the qur'an are all good and does not lead to evil, so the qur'an could not be written by Satan. Also, saying "but if he did", as you say is hypothetical. Hypothetical is not factual so basing an argument on hypothetical only results in hypothetical, not factual.
ThereIsNoSpoon
Active Member
"Response: Thats a statement. Where is the proof?"
Thats wrong of course. If you say it can't be then you would have to say that any possibility is wrong. I mentioned one that is thinkable. Where is the proof that it didnt happen?
[QUOTE ThereIsNoSpoon]"Response: Thats a statement. Where is the proof?"(End quote)
Response: The fact that you can't prove to the contrary is proof enough.
(Quote thereisnospoon)
Thats wrong of course. If you say it can't be then you would have to say that any possibility is wrong. I mentioned one that is thinkable. Where is the proof that it didnt happen?(End quote)
Response: Your own words. Hypothetical is not factual. Your own words say "if it is". If something is fact, you don't say "if it is" because those words alone mean that you yourself are stating that it's not a fact.
Response: The fact that you can't prove to the contrary is proof enough.
(Quote thereisnospoon)
Thats wrong of course. If you say it can't be then you would have to say that any possibility is wrong. I mentioned one that is thinkable. Where is the proof that it didnt happen?(End quote)
Response: Your own words. Hypothetical is not factual. Your own words say "if it is". If something is fact, you don't say "if it is" because those words alone mean that you yourself are stating that it's not a fact.
ThereIsNoSpoon
Active Member
of course thats a rather silly argument.
Even if I couldnt that wouldnt mean anything unless you made me a God being able to disproove anything that is disproovable.
You repeat yourself.
We do not KNOW what exactly happened.
So we enumerate the possible alternatives. I mentioned one.
Just as you would have to say "if God wrote it" since it is not an established fact that he did.
As i said before .... there is no proof that the quran was not written by Satan. I personally dont believe it was anyway but that is something else altogether.
Your argument against him writing it is not conclusive and just as a small side remark is based on the same "hypothesis". Because YOU yourself use a "if" there.
Response: But there is proof that the qur'an is from Allah. Your consistant demonstration in another thread to produce a chapter like the qur'an not only shows this but shows your denial to the fact.
ThereIsNoSpoon
Active Member
Where is it? Bring it forth.
Response: Amazing. You don't wish to bring forth your so-called "proof" that proves that the qur'an is not from Allah in another thread, yet consistantly want the proof of others. Your hypocrisy is uncanny.
averageJOE
zombie
Consider this Fatihah, maybe the proof is the fact that it can't be proven. The Satan of your religion is the father and master of lies, correct? Well, if you could prove something he did then he wouldn't be called the master and father of lies now could he?
ThereIsNoSpoon
Active Member
First of all the burdon of proof lies on those that make a claim about the existence of something. That would be you.
Secondly I knew you wouldnt provide it. Now i would like to quote YOU. You said about me...
Well aint it sheer "hypocrisy" what we see then here? You claim to have proof that the quran is from Allah and when asked to present it and bring it forward what do you do? Nothing. Why? the reason is obvious .... and so on and so on.
You dont meet the criteria you think you can judge others by. Aint that real hypocrisy? I certainly would say so.
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gnostic
The Lost One
That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard.fatihah said:
Proof required evidences, so if you, yourself, can't prove with verifiable evidences, then you have not nothing, but faith. The lack of evidences actually prove that you have to say about satan, is nothing more than taken on faith, and faith don't add up to proof.
It required faith to believe in god. And it is this very same faith that make you believe that this satan exist too. So basically you're worshipping 2 gods, not one.
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McBell
Unbound
Your not presenting any proof is most revealing....
Response: Not at all. One has nothing to do with the other.
Response: I never said that I'm not going to present any proof like you have and then ask others for there proof. For that is hypocrisy. Nor does my own words in which you've quoted state so. So not only are you displaying hypocrisy but you've reduced your argument to a desperate attempt to play on words. The beauty in your post is that your quoting of my words is not only showing that you have no proof, but confirming how you've reduced yourself to lying to prove a point. A person can read your post above and see this. So I thank you.
Response: There's the statement. Where's the proof?
Response: Likewise.
McBell
Unbound
Your response is not proof af anything but your not presenting any proof.
At least you are consistent with not presenting proof even after demanding proof from just about everyone else.
Response: Likewise.