**mod edit** You have no idea what use anyone may find in learning actual history.
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The Old Testament - Sell It To Me!
- Thread starter Secret Chief
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It's not history, it's anti-Christian nonsense.
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Which would be useful in countering Christian nonsense. Don’t tell me what I can post. If alternative views frighten you, that’s a You problem.
Actually, the Logos as a concept is a relatively recent phenomenon, with notable examples emerging in the last two centuries. Here's such an example of Logos:
This is an example for a lapsed believer:
exchemist
Veteran Member
"Only the Johannine writings" includes St. John's Gospel, then. No Christian is going to dismiss one of the gospels.
Many of the ideas in Christianity can be found in other religions, in some shape or form.
But tell me, where can I read more about Heraclitus and the concept of logos?
Please stop.
There seems to be a belief I'm a US Christian Protestant who's never talked to non-Christians.
I'm an English Anglican who's surrounded by atheists, Muslims, Pagans and Dharmics.
I'm not 'frightened' of anything, for **** sake.
I'm angered by people using false information just because they hate Christianity and they want others to hate Christianity.
Yeah, John uses the Logos. Other Gospels/Letters don't. So what? Christians are well aware of this. What's all this anti-Johannine nonsense. There's a lot of it around and I have no idea why. It's in the New Testament. Take it or leave it.
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Which major world religion or popular philosophy doesn't borrow from or build on concepts from other religions, philosophies, cultures, etc.?
Starlight
Spiritual but not religious, new age and omnist
Christianity get so much hate, it is so sad
That's why I'm bursting blood vessels in this thread.
exchemist
Veteran Member
Have a nice cup of Earl Grey, brewed in that new teapot.
I'm going to brew my usual blend of Darjeeling, Assam with a small pinch of Lapsang Souchong.
I understand where you are come from, but I would advise, if you are coming to Christianity for the sake of God, to be patient with everyone, the following is about commanding good and forbidding evil from Imam Jaffar (a):
A person who enjoins what is good needs to be knowledgeable about what is permissible and what is forbidden; he must be free from his personal inclinations regarding what he enjoins and forbids, give good counsel to people, be merciful and compassionate to them, and call them with gentleness in a very clear manner, while recognizing their different characters so that he can put each in his proper place.
He must see the intrigues of the self and the machinations of Satan. He must be patient in whatever befalls him, and must not seek compensation from people for that which he instructs them in, nor complain about them. He should not make use of vehemence or passion. He should not become angry for his own sake. He should make his intention purely for Allah, and seek His help and desire Him. But if people oppose him and are harsh to him, he must be patient; and if they agree with him and accept his verdict, he must be thankful, entrusting his affair to Allah and looking to his own faults.
I understand your frustration though.
There's an undercurrent which really dislikes Johannine theology for some reason, which is why it makes me flare up. There's an idea, I think, that if you take John away the whole of Christianity collapses. I have a visceral reaction to this because it's underhanded. John's writings get a lot of hate from non-Christians because it doesn't 'match' the other Gospels and Christians often use it as a proof text, so a lot of people hone in on John and try to make out it's false or a corrupted understanding of Christianity. I've seen some Muslims do this too.
It might not be down to that, but there's a lot of John hatred.
You are neglecting the history of Christianity and today. It is definitely a two way street with a lot of collisions.
I am literally drinking it rn
Secret Chief
Vetted Member
I'm surprised you seem so critical of Christianity given you identify as Bahai. More of my ignorance?
Please cite he false information in my post.
John Gospel to me is like Surah Yaseen. Surah Yaseen is said to be the heart of the Quran, and it's the same with John's Gospel. It gives the other Gospels the life.
It's been my favorite for a long time. I interpret it however similar to how JWs interpret it and don't see Trinity in it.
^ beligerant.
You are trying to accuse Christians of co-opting as though this makes Christianity invalid.
This is false information. As pointed out to you, all religions do this. To say this as though this makes Christianity out to be fraudulent is false.
Then saying that only Johannine texts use it as though it's in some way 'apart' from some other Christianity.
Your post will lead those who read it to believe John is somehow different and doesn't fit with the rest, as if 'other'.
This is false information, as Christians have agreed on the 4 Gospels for centuries and had no problem with John.
No just openly frank about the history of religions including the most war like religions Judaism, Christianity, and Islam, which you choose to selectively ignore.
As Universalist (not UU) I am critical and skeptical of all religions including my own. I strip off the superficial veneer of goodness and deal with the world as it. The older the religion the more problems with the reality of the real world. There are reasons I am a Baha'i and a Universalist, and I put religions in the context of an evolving spiritual nature of humanity. I actually have more empathy for atheists and agnostics over ancient religions, because they are more in touch with reality today.
Sorry for the typo it is #60 for more information.