The problem of Creationism in Islam rejecting the science of evolution.

[justaguy313]

This a very selective elitist view of the meaning of scripture.

Do they accept science as the evolving progressive knowledge of the nature of our physical existence?

Not anybody can interpret the Word of God, only those appointed by God can do that. If you look how pharisees and saducees destroyed Judaism, Roman catholic church christianity and islamic scholars islam you would understand that

And oh yeah, they accept science allright, in fact Jabbir ibn Hayyan, disciple of imam Jaffar as Sadiq from him is peace was an alchemist and is called early father of chemistry

Jabir ibn Hayyan - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[SkepticThinker]

Darwin's theory of evolution is the theory not a fact. If it were a fact it would be called that.

It's a scientific theory, which is a well-substantiated explanation of an aspect of the natural world that can incorporate laws, hypotheses and facts. The theory of gravitation, for instance, explains why apples fall from trees and astronauts float in space. Similarly, the theory of evolution explains why so many plants and animals—some very similar and some very different—exist on Earth now and in the past, as revealed by the fossil record."

What Is a Theory? A Scientific Definition | AMNH

In everyday use, it may mean a hunch, or a guess. Scientists understand the term quite differently.

www.amnh.org

Please notice that you didn't actually address what I said though. Which was, "It's the EVIDENCE that tells us that."
What did you come back with? Something about evolution being just a theory, which doesn't address anything that was said to you, nor is it an accurate description of what a scientific theory is.

And yes, many people have witnessed miracles from the Qaim of Ale Muhammad and had testified about it

Show me some evidence that back up those claims and I'll believe them. Anyone can claim anything about anything. What reason do I have to believe it though?

People with him actually saw him split the moon

That sounds like a claim to me. Where's the evidence?

Indeed if you have Faith all things are possible

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Yes because faith is unjustified belief. Faith is the excuse people give for believing something when they don't have a good reason/evidence. SO anything can be believed on faith, which makes it an unreliable pathway to truth.

 

[justaguy313]

That right. It is the theory that explains the fact of evolution, and the theory is correct beyond reasonable doubt. Creationists reject it, but not using reason.

Some people say that life evolved. Others argue that God merely began to create and then let things develop on their own. What does the Bible say about this?
Does the biblical account of creation allow for the possibility that the universe began with a big bang?
The Bible simply says, "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth." (Genesis 1:1) We do not find an exact record of how God created everything in this book. So, even if our universe was created by a cosmic explosion, it would not contradict what the Bible says. On the contrary, the passage from Genesis 1:1 would answer the question: Who caused the big bang?
However, many scientists believe that the Big Bang was a random, random event in which particles of matter self-assembled into stars and planets over time. The Bible does not support such an interpretation, but says that God directly created the universe, presumably using some kind of cosmic explosion or some other method of creation.
"In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth." (Genesis 1:1)
Does the biblical account allow for the idea that living things change over time?
Yes, it allows. The Bible says that God created living things "according to their kinds." * (Genesis 1:11, 12, 21, 24, 25) Can diversity occur within a species? It can appear. But is such observed adaptation within a species evidence that new species can evolve? No.
Consider the following: In the 1970s, researchers studied finches in the Galapagos Islands. They noticed that finches with slightly larger beaks survived climate change more easily. Some have concluded that this is evidence for evolution. But was it evidence of evolution or simple adaptation? After a few years, finches with smaller beaks became more numerous again. This observation led Professor of Anthropology, Jeffrey H. Schwartz, to conclude that while adaptation may help species survive under changed circumstances, it "creates nothing new."
Are the Bible and the theory of evolution compatible?
The Bible says that God "created all things." (Revelation 4:11) He did not rest until He had completed His work of creation. (Genesis 2:2) The message is clear: God did not create a simple organism and then rest or stand back and wait for that organism to evolve over millions of years into various species of fish, monkeys, and humans. * Such an idea, called macroevolution, denies the role of the Creator, whom the Bible says "made the heavens and the earth and the sea and all that is in them." (Exodus 20:11; Revelation 10:6)
"You are worthy, Lord our God, to receive glory and honor and power, because you created all things." (Revelation 4:11)
To learn more: The Bible says that God's invisible attributes "have been clearly seen from the creation of the world, being known by the things that he has made." (Romans 1:20) Knowing God can really give meaning to our lives, because God has a loving purpose that embraces all who sincerely seek Him.

 

[justaguy313]

It's a scientific theory, which is a well-substantiated explanation of an aspect of the natural world that can incorporate laws, hypotheses and facts. The theory of gravitation, for instance, explains why apples fall from trees and astronauts float in space. Similarly, the theory of evolution explains why so many plants and animals—some very similar and some very different—exist on Earth now and in the past, as revealed by the fossil record."

If abiogenesis (spontaneous creation without specific design) can be admitted under such conditions of regularity, then purposeful generation and definitely balanced creation can be the result of error ad perplexity, since these two are opposed to abiogenesis.

Such a statement is highly absurd that order and rectitude should come about without a Creator, and disorder and impropriety of design and fate should suppose a Creator. He is an ignoramus who says this, because anything produced without design will never be exact and proportioned, while disorder and contrariness cannot co-exist with orderly design. Allah (swt) is far above what the heretics say.

And in case an infant was born with mature intellect, he would have been bewildered in this world so strange to his, in an unrecognisable environment abounding with animals and birds of varied forms all around, which would be focussed to his vision every moment of the day.

Consider it in the manner of a man migrating to another country from the prison of one country. If he has a perfect intellect, you will see him perplexed and astounded. he can neither learn the foreign language soon enough, nor acquire the etiquette and decorum of the place. On the other hand, one who is taken as a prisoner to a strange land in his early days when his intellect is immature, will soon learn the language, etiquette and manners of the place.

Similarly, if a child had been born with mature intellect, he would have been astounded on opening his eyes and seeing such varied assortment, different kinds of forms, and distinctive imagery of unity and disunity. For a long time, he would not have understood as to whence he had come and where he had arrived and whether all that he was seeing was a dream.

Then, if he had been born of mature intellect, he would have felt disgusted and degraded on finding himself being carried about in the lap, being fed with milk, being wrapped up in bandages(the manner of the Arabs) and being laid in the cradle - all these proceedings being necessary for the infants because of their soft and delicate bodies.

There would not have been, if they had been born with a mature intellect, this sweetness, nor that sweetness, nor the considerations for the infants in the minds of the adults which springs generally from fondling the untutored children because of' their artlessness creating a particular attention for them. As such he is born in this world without an understanding for anything, quite unaware of the world and what lies therein. He views all these things with his underdeveloped brain and inadequate understanding, and so does not feel perplexed.

His intellect and understandings by degrees, slowly from time to time, little by little develop, so as to introduce him gradually to the things around and to accustom his brain accordingly in order to habituate him thereto without further need for curiosity and wonderment, thus enabling him to seek his sustenance serenely with understanding and planning, to bend his efforts thereto and to learn the lessons of obedience, error and disobedience.

And behold! There are other aspects of the matter. If the infant had been born mature intellect with an understanding of his functions, there would have been few occasions for the sweetness felt in the nature of the offspring, and the exigency, under which the parents find a full time pre-occupation with the affairs of the young ones, would not have arisen.

Love and affection, felt for ordinary children, following the inconvenience undergone for their sake, would not subsist between the parents and their offspring. Because of their mature intellect, the children would not have needed parental care. A separation would have taken place just after birth of the infant from its parents. Even a mother or a sister would have been strangers to him and as such within wedlock limits.

-from tradition of Mufaddal

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

What does the Bible say about this? Are the Bible and the theory of evolution compatible? Does the biblical account allow for the idea that living things change over time?

This is what you tell to other people who believe holy books. None of this matters to an atheist.

Not anybody can interpret the Word of God,

If you mean your holy book, sure they can. Who's going to stop them?

 

[justaguy313]

If you mean your holy book, sure they can. Who's going to stop them?

I meant that nobody can't interpret correctly its hidden meaning of verses other than imams and mahdis. And no, nobody can't stop people from interpreting Quran, but they will answer for it on the Judgement day along with Jews and Christian scribes who altered The Bible

 

[SkepticThinker]

If abiogenesis (spontaneous creation without specific design) can be admitted under such conditions of regularity, then purposeful generation and definitely balanced creation can be the result of error ad perplexity, since these two are opposed to abiogenesis.

Such a statement is highly absurd that order and rectitude should come about without a Creator, and disorder and impropriety of design and fate should suppose a Creator. He is an ignoramus who says this, because anything produced without design will never be exact and proportioned, while disorder and contrariness cannot co-exist with orderly design. Allah (swt) is far above what the heretics say.

And in case an infant was born with mature intellect, he would have been bewildered in this world so strange to his, in an unrecognisable environment abounding with animals and birds of varied forms all around, which would be focussed to his vision every moment of the day.

Consider it in the manner of a man migrating to another country from the prison of one country. If he has a perfect intellect, you will see him perplexed and astounded. he can neither learn the foreign language soon enough, nor acquire the etiquette and decorum of the place. On the other hand, one who is taken as a prisoner to a strange land in his early days when his intellect is immature, will soon learn the language, etiquette and manners of the place.

Similarly, if a child had been born with mature intellect, he would have been astounded on opening his eyes and seeing such varied assortment, different kinds of forms, and distinctive imagery of unity and disunity. For a long time, he would not have understood as to whence he had come and where he had arrived and whether all that he was seeing was a dream.

Then, if he had been born of mature intellect, he would have felt disgusted and degraded on finding himself being carried about in the lap, being fed with milk, being wrapped up in bandages(the manner of the Arabs) and being laid in the cradle - all these proceedings being necessary for the infants because of their soft and delicate bodies.

There would not have been, if they had been born with a mature intellect, this sweetness, nor that sweetness, nor the considerations for the infants in the minds of the adults which springs generally from fondling the untutored children because of' their artlessness creating a particular attention for them. As such he is born in this world without an understanding for anything, quite unaware of the world and what lies therein. He views all these things with his underdeveloped brain and inadequate understanding, and so does not feel perplexed.

His intellect and understandings by degrees, slowly from time to time, little by little develop, so as to introduce him gradually to the things around and to accustom his brain accordingly in order to habituate him thereto without further need for curiosity and wonderment, thus enabling him to seek his sustenance serenely with understanding and planning, to bend his efforts thereto and to learn the lessons of obedience, error and disobedience.

And behold! There are other aspects of the matter. If the infant had been born mature intellect with an understanding of his functions, there would have been few occasions for the sweetness felt in the nature of the offspring, and the exigency, under which the parents find a full time pre-occupation with the affairs of the young ones, would not have arisen.

Love and affection, felt for ordinary children, following the inconvenience undergone for their sake, would not subsist between the parents and their offspring. Because of their mature intellect, the children would not have needed parental care. A separation would have taken place just after birth of the infant from its parents. Even a mother or a sister would have been strangers to him and as such within wedlock limits.

-from tradition of Mufaddal

Now you've changed the subject to abiogenesis for some reason.

 

[justaguy313]

Now you've changed the subject to abiogenesis for some reason.

It's a show of how absurd atheism really is.

I have already wrote what I believe about evolution.

Ok, I just wanted to state my perspective. In our religion, our teacher and master Aba Sadiq from him is peace taught us, that theory of evolution is a lie, and that all these pre homo sapiens species were in fact extraterrestrial in origin and that they have a common ancestor,, which is called Haytan. People today know these species as Sasquatch or Big foot and it maybe looks like a primitive monkey but in truth, it is very intelligent and spiritual.

Humanity has pondered over the origin of life, and has searched for answers in religion and science.
Both fields have tried to explain the origin of life. From theories such as the Big Bang to Evolution,
for many, science has provided a satisfactory explanation that replaces theistic arguments. Over the
last century, the Theory of Evolution, which began with Charles Darwin, has become a mainstream
belief. In our times, avowed atheists propagate it and anti-theist scientists like Richard Dawkins
have popularized the idea through books like The God Delusion . For the most part, the propagation
has been effective.
Charles Darwin traveled around the world where he would catalog the local plants and animals.
On one of his trips to the Galapagos Islands, he noticed non-identical species of finches with each
species having a slightly different beak. Years later, he would come up with the idea that these
species all must have a common ancestor. These differences must be due to adaptation to new
circumstances over time. As a result, they evolved slightly according to their environment. Thus,
similarities in species and adaptation became the basis for the Theory of Evolution.
Darwin concluded through analogy, that living beings that looked similar must have a common
origin that adapted to new conditions. Over a long period, the differences and changes would
become so many that they give rise to a new species. Thus, the reason for the changes would be the
factor that would allow one species to survive and others to become extinct. He called this law the
survival of the fittest . Therefore, according to Darwin, evolution was necessary to adapt and survive.
Through natural selection, the strongest in nature survived and they had similar features. Finally,
their shared features pointed to a common ancestor and origin.
One day someone asked Imam Ahmed Al-Hassan (From Him is Peace), “ Is the theory of
Evolution correct? ”
The Imam (From Him is Peace) said, “ The theory of evolution is one of the dumbest theories out
there. Iblis is the one who taught Darwin the Theory of Evolution. ”
Someone said, “ Can you help me with a small piece of information about the origin of life? There
are a lot of similarities between humans and other species. ”
The Imam (From Him is Peace) said, “ For example, who does the human resemble? ”
The person said, “ Humans and apes for example, and there are other organs or parts in our bodies
that resemble other species. ”
The Imam (From Him is Peace) said, “ There is a resemblance as well between some aquatic species
and some mammals, and there are also plants that resemble mammals. And there are also stones that
were formed to look like human faces and animals and plants by natural events such as wind and
rain. So, are these stones now biologically related to humans? Of course not. The answer is no, there is
no relationship between apes and humans. ”
The person said, “ So what about the origin of life? ”
The Imam (From Him is Peace) said, “ It was with Adam (PBUH). He is the first human
creation. ”
We have included here some images of inanimate beings that resemble human or animal
anatomy. If the Theory of Evolution claims that resemblance between species means there is a
biological relationship, then these plants and stones should be biologically related to us as well. In
this argument, the Imam (From Him is Peace) is saying that similarity is not a sucient condition
to prove the basic tenets of the Theory of Evolution. Furthermore, this theory does not even
consider an extraterrestrial source for life on Earth. Thus, the Imam (From Him is Peace) is
categorically rejecting any truth in the Theory of Evolution.


According to science, modern humans ( Homo sapiens ) evolved from an earlier form known as
Homo habilis or Homo erectus . Scientists discovered their fossils in Africa and identifieed similar
features to modern humans like their body proportion, size, and hands. They believe that these
features are the result of adaptation from living in trees to living on the ground. However, these
assumptions are false. Imam Ahmed Al-Hassan (From Him is Peace) debunks this myth by
revealing the reality of the Haytan. The Haytan are human ape-like species that lived on the planet
and still do to this very day.
I said, “ The creature that the natives call Bigfoot or Yeti, that resembles the Haytan… ”
The Imam (From Him is Peace) said, “ Those are the descendants of the Haytan. ”
I said, “ Glory be to God. ”
The Imam (From Him is Peace) said, “ I told you before, there are still many of them still alive
today. ”

-Goal of the wise by Aba Sadiq from him is peace, door number 25-Alien life and extraterrestrials

You can download the book Goal of the wise here for free

 

[SkepticThinker]

It's a show of how absurd atheism really is.

And now you're changing the subject to atheists?
Dude, this isn't how a conversation is carried out.

I have already wrote what I believe about evolution.

What you believe about evolution is incorrect, as I said in my response to you. Your response back to me was to change the subject to abiogenesis.

This isn't a back and forth conversation. You're just spouting off random things instead of responding to the points being put in front of you.

 

[justaguy313]

And now you're changing the subject to atheists?
Dude, this isn't how a conversation is carried out.

What you believe about evolution is incorrect, as I said in my response to you. Your response back to me was to change the subject to abiogenesis.

This isn't a back and forth conversation. You're just spouting off random things instead of responding to the points being put in front of you.

We have different stances, no need to have a further conversation. I have stated my beliefs and you did yours. I have no desire to prove to you something which you deny.

Move on

 

[shunyadragon]

Not anybody can interpret the Word of God, only those appointed by God can do that. If you look how pharisees and saducees destroyed Judaism, Roman catholic church christianity and islamic scholars islam you would understand that

Who determines eho is appointed by God today? The claim of being a pointed by God ambiguous, because many [rp[;e make the claim bit disagree and are contradictory in history among the various sects of Islam.

And oh yeah, they accept science allright, in fact Jabbir ibn Hayyan, disciple of imam Jaffar as Sadiq from him is peace was an alchemist and is called early father of chemistry

It's a show of how absurd atheism really is.

I have already wrote what I believe about evolution.

Belief or non-believe in science and evolution has nothing to do with atheism.

Jabir ibn Hayyan - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Did not answer the question: Did they accept science as science today including the sciences of evolution supported by 95%++ of all scientist and major universities today, not an 8th or 9th century scientist in chemistry.

 

[justaguy313]

The claim of being a pointed by God ambiguous, because many [rp[;e make the claim bit disagree and are contradictory in history among the various sects of Islam.




Did not answer the question: Did they accept science as science today, not an 8th or 9th century scientist in chemistry.

I never said that I follow mainstream islam. In fact in my belief 99% of religion that you know as islam is corrupted.

How could the imams accept the science of today if they lived 1200 years ago? I would say that they were more the fathers of science and all inventions in islamic world is because of their teachings. And renessaince just didn't happen overnight also. If it wasn't for Library of Alexandria, Europe would still live in the dark ages.

 

[Monty]

The Bible stated clearly and specifically that it was 15 cubits over the top of the mountains and wiped out all the animals and humans of the earth except those on the Arc.

The KJV and Hebrew bible and Young's literal translation etc, however, clearly and specifically state that the flood was only 15 cubits high and do not say that the mountains or high hills were covered by 15 cubits. Those other personal subjective interpretations make no sense at all since they do not tell us how high the flood actually was, even though some believers claim that the flood waters therefore rose at the rate of 9.2 metres per hour for 40 days and covered Mt Everest less than 4000 years ago. And the bible also says that Noah's brothers (Jabal & Jubal) and their families were obviously unaffected by the flood since they are the fathers of all nomadic herders and musical instrument makers and were therefore living outside the flooded area (Gen 4:20-21), whereas Noah only built a boat.

KJV
Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered.
OJB
Fifteen cubits upward did the waters rise; and the harim were covered.
YLT
fifteen cubits upwards have the waters become mighty, and the mountains are covered;

 

[InvestigateTruth]

The Mahdi (a) is one of the main themes, I agree. For example, all the verses about destroyed cities lead to the promise of the universal threat to all cities, and the Mahdi (a) is a Messenger, but not a Nabi. The ultimatum that will come about with the Mahdi (a) is in fact clear in Surah Yonus for example. The term will come. It always does.

However, the outward signs point to the fact God would send Messengers and appoint guides. This for example the theme in Surah Nahl.

But how would an Atheist benefit. He has to go with "if the Quran is revealed by God, what does God want me to reflect over this and that and what is God trying to say to me".

That approach with reflection will lead to the truth.

The design of God and creation physically are among the signs that point to a purpose. A purpose of trial. Nature shows this is a world of trial.

The purpose of giving sign about Mahdi, is to recognize that He has come when He has come. The year, the place, and the events that was to happen during and after the time of Mahdi, are all in the Quran, but in a hidden language. This is the purpose of verses with hidden meanings. What else could be the reason? For example what else could be in the disconnected letters, if not hints and signs about Mahdi?

 

[Link]

The purpose of giving sign about Mahdi, is to recognize that He has come when He has come. The year, the place, and the events that was to happen during and after the time of Mahdi, are all in the Quran, but in a hidden language. This is the purpose of verses with hidden meanings. What else could be the reason? For example what else could be in the disconnected letters, if not hints and signs about Mahdi?

The disconnected letters are fourteen. That is too much of a coincidence to not parallel them with Ahlulbayt (a).

The disconnected letters are a way to organize the Quran into essentially fourteen parts.

Let's take for example, "Ta Ha". If it's seen that "By the name of God..." is part of the first verse, it can be saying in summary paraphrasing in my own words:

"Like Haroun to Musa - we did not reveal the book to you with name of God - particularly your brother Taha (Ali) - so that you made be sad. Rather, we revealed it you to be happy just as Haroun was meant to widen the breast of Musa and relief the knot on his tongue, what happens will happen, whether your nation will honor God's guidance or not, we shall see. But the intention is to guide - and so that people avoid doing to your brother what children of Israel did to Haroun in absence of Musa".

 

[shunyadragon]

The KJV and Hebrew bible and Young's literal translation etc, however, clearly and specifically state that the flood was only 15 cubits high and do not say that the mountains or high hills were covered by 15 cubits. Those other personal subjective interpretations make no sense at all since they do not tell us how high the flood actually was, even though some believers claim that the flood waters therefore rose at the rate of 9.2 metres per hour for 40 days and covered Mt Everest less than 4000 years ago. And the bible also says that Noah's brothers (Jabal & Jubal) and their families were obviously unaffected by the flood since they are the fathers of all nomadic herders and musical instrument makers and were therefore living outside the flooded area (Gen 4:20-21), whereas Noah only built a boat.

KJV
Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered.
OJB
Fifteen cubits upward did the waters rise; and the harim were covered.
YLT
fifteen cubits upwards have the waters become mighty, and the mountains are covered;

Height of the waters? Simply the mountains were covered.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

The disconnected letters are fourteen. That is too much of a coincidence to not parallel them with Ahlulbayt (a).

The disconnected letters are a way to organize the Quran into essentially fourteen parts.

Let's take for example, "Ta Ha". If it's seen that "By the name of God..." is part of the first verse, it can be saying in summary paraphrasing in my own words:

"Like Haroun to Musa - we did not reveal the book to you with name of God - particularly your brother Taha (Ali) - so that you made be sad. Rather, we revealed it you to be happy just as Haroun was meant to widen the breast of Musa and relief the knot on his tongue, what happens will happen, whether your nation will honor God's guidance or not, we shall see. But the intention is to guide - and so that people avoid doing to your brother what children of Israel did to Haroun in absence of Musa".

Surrah of Ta Ha is meant to be a reminder for Muslims. It is to teach them about Moses and Aaron, and how the people of their time rejected them, so that, the Muslims at the time of future Revelations learn lessons from it. Ta Ha are two letters.
In Abjad Ta = 9 and H = 5

Baha (بهاء) = 9
Bab (باب) = 5
It is meant to give hint for recognition of two future Manifestations.

 

[Link]

Surrah of Ta Ha is meant to be a reminder for Muslims. It is to teach them about Moses and Aaron, and how the people of their time rejected them, so that, the Muslims at the time of future Revelations learn lessons from it. Ta Ha are two letters.
In Abjad Ta = 9 and H = 5

Baha (بهاء) = 9
Bab (باب) = 5
It is meant to give hint for recognition of two future Manifestations.

Whatever.

 

[Monty]

Height of the waters? Simply the mountains were covered.

IOW the highest hills in the flooded area were therefore less than 15 cubits above the normal river level when not in flood, and why most of Noah's family and their animals and chooks drowned since they couldn't swim and didn't build a boat, including his grandparents (Gen 5:27) and his widowed mother (Gen 5:31) and his other children and grandchildren (Gen 5:32). Or so the story goes.

 

[shunyadragon]

IOW the highest hills in the flooded area were therefore less than 15 cubits above the normal river level when not in flood, and why most of Noah's family and their animals and chooks drowned since they couldn't swim and didn't build a boat, including his grandparents (Gen 5:27) and his widowed mother (Gen 5:31) and his other children and grandchildren (Gen 5:32). Or so the story goes.

This not what the Bible describes the flood. The flood is described as covering all mountains and hills and killing everyone and animals in the world except those on the Ark.

If you only cover the mountains in the region, The flood at minimum covered Mount Ariate. The Bible still states the flood covered all the mountains of the world regardless of how you try to manipulate the text to justify your agenda

All the Jewish Rabbis I referenced believe the plain text in Hebrew describes Noah's flood is a world flood covering ALL the mountains, and ALL the life died that was not on the Ark. Remember you asked me to consult the Rabbis.