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The prophet peace be upon him and his wives

nameless

The Creator
when Juwayryah came to the prophet peace be upon him to help her paying her freedom, he peace be upon him suggested something better on her which was to marry her.

pay for what? being under the custody of muhammad, why juwayryah was in need for money?

Her father came with camels to release his daughter, but before giving them he decided to keep two nice camels ( i.e he regretted bringing them) , so the prophet peace be upon him asked him where are the two other camels?

so muhammad did not released king's daughter for he did not received camels from king? kidnap and blackmail? :confused:
why muhammad took women as slaves when their relatives were alive?

I may have said so in another thread out of ignorance, but I realised now that it wasnt the main reason, they just released the captives when they knew they were the relatives of the prophet at that time. The narration goes that Juwayryah was the most blessed women for her tribe as they were all released because of her.

then for what reason muhammad married Juwayryah?

fatima_bintu_islam said:
From 52 to 60 the prophet married multiple wives for political, religious and social reasons which we will explain later.
 
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GabrielWithoutWings

Well-Known Member
As muslims, we believe that it is in the nature of women Hayya, i.e shyness.

You've never been in a room with more than three women have you?

Also the desire of men for women is far greater than the desire of women for men.

This is probably one of the most incorrect things I've ever read. If you Muslim men would spend more time really paying attention to your women instead of just assuming you know them better than they do, you'd be greatly edified.
 

fatima_bintu_islam

Active Member
This is probably one of the most incorrect things I've ever read. If you Muslim men would spend more time really paying attention to your women instead of just assuming you know them better than they do, you'd be greatly edified.

Im a women :)


Oh and its the same mistake I made with waitasec , I thought she was a man.

Sorry waitasec for that, ill answer you later Inshallah
 

Madhuri

RF Goddess
Staff member
Premium Member
Why would people have all these sexual and material (beauty, fashion) desires in heaven? And if they do, why would Allah allow something in his kingdom that he considers to be a depravity on earth?
 

beenie

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
Why would people have all these sexual and material (beauty, fashion) desires in heaven? And if they do, why would Allah allow something in his kingdom that he considers to be a depravity on earth?

the only answer i can think of is that since we have to "suppress" our desires to be promiscuous on earth, in heaven there is no need to suppress anymore. the idea is that there is no jealousy, no poverty, no imperfection of behavior, etc. so the "evils" of sex with multiple people, drinking alcohol, etc. (forbiddned on earth by Allah) wouldn't have any effect on heavenly society. i think we all get our own "heaven".

blah, i'm not wording it well, but i hope you understand somewhat what i'm saying. :eek:
 
Polygamy actually started with the Bible. Marry thousands of women is allowed in Bible. Where Bible gave us any limit for marry women?

In 2 samuel 5:13, 1chronicles 3:1-19, 1 chronicles 14:3 king David had 6 wives and numerous concubines

In 1 king 11:3, king solomon had 700 wives and 300 concubines

In 2 chronicles 11:21,king solomon's son Rehoboam had 18 wives and 60 concubines

Even Prophet Abraham had 3 wives Sarah, Hugar and Keturah (Genesis, 16:1, Genesis 16:3 and Genesis 25:1)

Prophet Jacob had 4 wives..Leah, zilpah, rachel and Bilhah (Gen 29:23, Genesis 29:28, Gen 30:4, Gen 30:9)


God Never says Marry Only one in whole Bible. So, we clearly see Polygamy is allowed in Bible and same was truth with the Bible Prophets.
 
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waitasec

Veteran Member
Polygamy actually started with the Bible. Marry thousands of women is allowed in Bible. Where Bible gave us any limit for marry women?

In 2 samuel 5:13, 1chronicles 3:1-19, 1 chronicles 14:3 king David had 6 wives and numerous concubines

In 1 king 11:3, king solomon had 700 wives and 300 concubines

In 2 chronicles 11:21,king solomon's son Rehoboam had 18 wives and 60 concubines

Even Prophet Abraham had 3 wives Sarah, Hugar and Keturah (Genesis, 16:1, Genesis 16:3 and Genesis 25:1)

Prophet Jacob had 4 wives..Leah, zilpah, rachel and Bilhah (Gen 29:23, Genesis 29:28, Gen 30:4, Gen 30:9)


God Never says Marry Only one in whole Bible. So, we clearly see Polygamy is allowed in Bible and same was truth with the Bible Prophets.

so...
the bible is a book written by men to satisfy and justify mens injustices
:facepalm:
 

Autodidact

Intentionally Blank
I don't care what ridiculous rationale you come up with, pedophilia is pedophilia and is immoral and evil. Do you disagree?

It's wrong for a priest, wrong for Muhammed, and wrong for anyone to marry or have sex with a child.
 

no-body

Well-Known Member
Isn't Islam supposed to be about allah? Kind of messed up that people idolize Muhammad and his 1,500 year old lifestyle when it says in the Quran not to.
 
I don't care what ridiculous rationale you come up with, pedophilia is pedophilia and is immoral and evil. Do you disagree?

It's wrong for a priest, wrong for Muhammed, and wrong for anyone to marry or have sex with a child.

1500 years ago Marry a 9 years girl was allowed and legal. Even 200 years ago it was allowed in europe.

Example: The Bible, God says you can sell your daughter in Exodus, 21:7 and Slaves are your property in Exodus 21:21 But right now you cannot sell your daughter as a slave and slavery is not allowed in our modern culture. As same as this time you cannot marry a 9 years girl according to our culture. So you should understand and judge it by the times and culture.

Prophet Muhammad lived among pagans who literally worshiped in nakedness! Prophet Muhammad lived among pagans who literally worshiped in nakedness!

When Prophet Muhammad married Aisha, that times it was allowed in Arab. Also, Aisha and her parents had no objection for that marriage. In fact her Father was one of the best helper/friend of Muhammad(pbuh). Thousands of haddits were written by Aisha herself and she also was so happy for that marriage. Aisha was only Virgin wife of Muhammad(Pbuh).

***What about Jesus Mother Mary? According to Catholic and Jews, Jesus Mother Mary age was 13 or 14 when she married an old man Joseph. Most of agree that Joseph age was more than 70.***

So we clearly see 2000 or 1500 years ago marry a little girl was Legal.

Marry a 3 years girl is allowed in Mosaic law!

Real Terrorism and Pedophila is in Bible:


"They fought against Midian, as the LORD commanded moses, and killed every man...Now kill all the boys (innocent kids). And kill every women who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man" [Numbers 31:7, 17-18]

kill everything that "breathes" from human and animals!

"However, in the cities of the nations the LORD your God is giving you as an inheritance, DO NOT LEAVE ALIVE ANYTHING THAT BREATHES" [Deut, 20:16]

The Jewish soldiers were commanded by "God" in the Bible to keep the woman children (little girls) for themselves! In addition, they commanded to kill every woman that hath know a man by lying with him. My question, HOW THESE SOLDIERS IN THOSE DAYS KNOW IF THE GIRLS ARE VIRGIN OR NOT? Simply they verify it by raping them and if the Jews discovered that they are non-virgins then they killed them as they commanded by "God". BUT THE MOST OUTRAGEOUS IS THAT THE BIBLE IMPLY THAT GOD IS A PEDOPHILE HIMSELF! God of Israel is a Pedophila?


Jews Holy scripture Talmud made it more clear. Even they raped a 3 years girl!

"The Tannaitic Midrash Sifre to Numbers in §157 comments on the above quoted COMMANDMENT OF MOSES TO KILL THE MIDIANITE WOMEN AS WELL AS THE MALE CHILDREN.." [The Talmud]

"..According to the Tannaite Rabbis, Moses therefore had ordered the Israelites to KILL ALL WOMEN OLDER THAN 3 YEARS AND A DAY, Because they were "suitable for having sexual relations..." [The Talmud]
 
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no-body

Well-Known Member
1500 years ago Marry a 9 years girl was allowed and legal. Even 200 years ago it was allowed in europe.

Example: The Bible, God says you can sell your daughter in Exodus, 21:7 and Slaves are your property in Exodus 21:21 But right now you cannot sell your daughter as a slave and slavery is not allowed in our modern culture. As same as this time you cannot marry a 9 years girl according to our culture. So you should understand and judge it by the times and culture.

Prophet Muhammad lived among pagans who literally worshiped in nakedness! Prophet Muhammad lived among pagans who literally worshiped in nakedness!

When Prophet Muhammad married Aisha, that times it was allowed in Arab. Also, Aisha and her parents had no objection for that marriage. In fact her Father was one of the best helper/friend of Muhammad(pbuh). Thousands of haddits were written by Aisha herself and she also was so happy for that marriage. Aisha was only Virgin wife of Muhammad(Pbuh).

***What about Jesus Mother Mary? According to Catholic and Jews, Jesus Mother Mary age was 13 or 14 when she married an old man Joseph. Most of agree that Joseph age was more than 70.***

So we clearly see 2000 or 1500 years ago marry a little girl was Legal.

Marry a 3 years girl is allowed in Mosaic law!

Real Terrorism and Pedophila is in Bible:


"They fought against Midian, as the LORD commanded moses, and killed every man...Now kill all the boys (innocent kids). And kill every women who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man" [Numbers 31:7, 17-18]

kill everything that "breathes" from human and animals!

"However, in the cities of the nations the LORD your God is giving you as an inheritance, DO NOT LEAVE ALIVE ANYTHING THAT BREATHES" [Deut, 20:16]

The Jewish soldiers were commanded by "God" in the Bible to keep the woman children (little girls) for themselves! In addition, they commanded to kill every woman that hath know a man by lying with him. My question, HOW THESE SOLDIERS IN THOSE DAYS KNOW IF THE GIRLS ARE VIRGIN OR NOT? Simply they verify it by raping them and if the Jews discovered that they are non-virgins then they killed them as they commanded by "God". BUT THE MOST OUTRAGEOUS IS THAT THE BIBLE IMPLY THAT GOD IS A PEDOPHILE HIMSELF! God of Israel is a Pedophila?


Jews Holy scripture Talmud made it more clear. Even they raped a 3 years girl!

"The Tannaitic Midrash Sifre to Numbers in §157 comments on the above quoted COMMANDMENT OF MOSES TO KILL THE MIDIANITE WOMEN AS WELL AS THE MALE CHILDREN.." [The Talmud]

"..According to the Tannaite Rabbis, Moses therefore had ordered the Israelites to KILL ALL WOMEN OLDER THAN 3 YEARS AND A DAY, Because they were "suitable for having sexual relations..." [The Talmud]

Ha, ha. That's some good stuff "The prophet Mohammad was a pedophile because Jews and Pagans"
 

waitasec

Veteran Member
what is considered to be wrong today was wrong 2000 yrs ago. the only difference is we are acknowledging human rights now more than then
injustices are injustices now and then.
it doesn't matter if pedophiles were accepted in society...children were raped. period.
 

Autodidact

Intentionally Blank
1500 years ago Marry a 9 years girl was allowed and legal. Even 200 years ago it was allowed in europe.

[The Talmud]

That doesn't make it right. Do you think that makes it right?

Gosh, I would think the prophet of God would know more about right and wrong than the primitive tribesmen he lived among. Apparently not.

Hey, we had slavery 300 years ago in America. Does that make it right?

Interesting how Muslims have to defend child sexual abuse. As an atheist, I don't have to do that.
 

Autodidact

Intentionally Blank
1500 years ago Marry a 9 years girl was allowed and legal. Even 200 years ago it was allowed in europe.

Example: The Bible, God says you can sell your daughter in Exodus, 21:7 and Slaves are your property in Exodus 21:21 But right now you cannot sell your daughter as a slave and slavery is not allowed in our modern culture. As same as this time you cannot marry a 9 years girl according to our culture. So you should understand and judge it by the times and culture.

Prophet Muhammad lived among pagans who literally worshiped in nakedness! Prophet Muhammad lived among pagans who literally worshiped in nakedness!

When Prophet Muhammad married Aisha, that times it was allowed in Arab. Also, Aisha and her parents had no objection for that marriage. In fact her Father was one of the best helper/friend of Muhammad(pbuh). Thousands of haddits were written by Aisha herself and she also was so happy for that marriage. Aisha was only Virgin wife of Muhammad(Pbuh).

***What about Jesus Mother Mary? According to Catholic and Jews, Jesus Mother Mary age was 13 or 14 when she married an old man Joseph. Most of agree that Joseph age was more than 70.***

So we clearly see 2000 or 1500 years ago marry a little girl was Legal.

Marry a 3 years girl is allowed in Mosaic law!

Real Terrorism and Pedophila is in Bible:


"They fought against Midian, as the LORD commanded moses, and killed every man...Now kill all the boys (innocent kids). And kill every women who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man" [Numbers 31:7, 17-18]

kill everything that "breathes" from human and animals!

"However, in the cities of the nations the LORD your God is giving you as an inheritance, DO NOT LEAVE ALIVE ANYTHING THAT BREATHES" [Deut, 20:16]

The Jewish soldiers were commanded by "God" in the Bible to keep the woman children (little girls) for themselves! In addition, they commanded to kill every woman that hath know a man by lying with him. My question, HOW THESE SOLDIERS IN THOSE DAYS KNOW IF THE GIRLS ARE VIRGIN OR NOT? Simply they verify it by raping them and if the Jews discovered that they are non-virgins then they killed them as they commanded by "God". BUT THE MOST OUTRAGEOUS IS THAT THE BIBLE IMPLY THAT GOD IS A PEDOPHILE HIMSELF! God of Israel is a Pedophila?


Jews Holy scripture Talmud made it more clear. Even they raped a 3 years girl!

"The Tannaitic Midrash Sifre to Numbers in §157 comments on the above quoted COMMANDMENT OF MOSES TO KILL THE MIDIANITE WOMEN AS WELL AS THE MALE CHILDREN.." [The Talmud]

"..According to the Tannaite Rabbis, Moses therefore had ordered the Israelites to KILL ALL WOMEN OLDER THAN 3 YEARS AND A DAY, Because they were "suitable for having sexual relations..." [The Talmud]

Why are you talking to me about the Bible?!
 

beenie

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
Isn't Islam supposed to be about allah? Kind of messed up that people idolize Muhammad and his 1,500 year old lifestyle when it says in the Quran not to.

Islam is most certainly about the true submission to Allah.
the emulation of the Prophet stems from several ayahs in the Qur'an that command we follow the message of the Prophet.

here's where the Qur'anists and the Sunnis differ:

Qur'anists believe that the Qur'an is a complete and all-encompassing book and guide for Muslims to follow and live by every day; it's timeless, and any verse, surah, etc. that is slightly vague leaves room for interpretation, ie., it's a "gray area". Haram (forbidden) acts are very few and clearly described in the Qur'an itself; the thought is that if it is truly important to Allah, then it would be described in crisp detail for us to understand. Prophet Muhammad's sole mission was to spread the words of the Almighty as he heard them...through his revelations, etc. NOT to add on to and definitely not to have them written down.

"Obey God and obey the messenger. If you shall turn away then the sole of the messenger is to deliver the message (the Quran)" 64:12

another translation of a different ayah, same general message:

Say: “Obey Allah, and obey the Messenger: but if ye turn away, he is only responsible for the duty placed on him and ye for that placed on you. If ye obey him, ye shall be on right guidance.(24: 54).

here's where it gets cloudy. Sunnis will take the above ayah and define it as a direct order to follow the Messenger not only by his oral message, but by his example too, ie, the Sunnah (actions). some take this to be how he prayed and fasted, and others go so far as to how he walked, talked, brushed his teeth, stepped into a mosque...everything. like any verse in any holy book, interpretation and culture will play a huge role in how one implements the commands of God into their lives. many "inherit" a lifestyle from their parents, grandparents, etc. and it's so engrained that they can't differentiate between what the message was and what the Messenger did. many Hadith are valid, and many are not. it's debatable as to whether the actions of the Prophet outside of prayer, etc. are necessary to follow...some Sunnis feel that every action he did was divinely-inspired, so of course we should try and do every single one of them the way he did.

i like to fall in the middle of these two; not all Hadith are valid. if they go against the teachings of the Qur'an, they are to be disregarded. problem is, who decides? it's a cyclical argument.
 

Kerr

Well-Known Member
1500 years ago Marry a 9 years girl was allowed and legal. Even 200 years ago it was allowed in europe.
Some of us are not moral relativists, which means we do not care if it was accepted back then or not, because no matter how you look at it, ******* a kid is wrong. That said, it was 1500 years ago. If he had sex with her, I find it wrong, distasteful and evil, but it was so long ago it isn´t that important to me. Besides, I cannot claim to actually know what happened back then since I don´t know that much about it.
 

Godobeyer

the word "Islam" means "submission" to God
Premium Member
Some of us are not moral relativists, which means we do not care if it was accepted back then or not, because no matter how you look at it, ******* a kid is wrong. That said, it was 1500 years ago. If he had sex with her, I find it wrong, distasteful and evil, but it was so long ago it isn´t that important to me. Besides, I cannot claim to actually know what happened back then since I don´t know that much about it.
for my experience , in my region , the women recently in 100 years ago was , married at 12 years old , and they were "mature" (mean able to marry) , and my grandmother married at 12 years old , and my mother married at 15 old , now it's different , the 15 old could not marry !!!! ????

I the case of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) God , maybe god want that , He is messanger of God , the God sent him to the mankind , if God did not allowed him to married 11 women , he would not ,in this case you are judging the god choice , and deny it !!!


for eg : Solomon (pbuh) as i heard married more than 500 wifes , God allowed to him,
-You don't have the right to judge the God choice and God law
 

Autodidact

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for my experience , in my region , the women recently in 100 years ago was , married at 12 years old , and they were "mature" (mean able to marry) , and my grandmother married at 12 years old , and my mother married at 15 old , now it's different , the 15 old could not marry !!!! ????

I the case of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) God , maybe god want that , He is messanger of God , the God sent him to the mankind , if God did not allowed him to married 11 women , he would not ,in this case you are judging the god choice , and deny it !!!


for eg : Solomon (pbuh) as i heard married more than 500 wifes , God allowed to him,
-You don't have the right to judge the God choice and God law

Who said anything about God? Wrong is wrong, regardless of what you believe. If someone believes that God tells them to do something wrong, it's still wrong. And I say pedophilia is wrong.

I understand that as a Muslim you have to defend it, and I feel pity for you. I'm glad I don't. My suggestion to you is to deconvert--if you can safely do so--then you don't have to defend immoral actions any more.

Please do not deconvert if you live surrounded by other Muslims, as one of them is likely to kill you. Oh yeah, that would also be wrong.
 
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