The prophet peace be upon him and his wives

[Autodidact]

Oh, by the way, Godobeyer and everyone else in this thread defending child sexual abuse, every right thinking person in the world finds your values reprehensible. This may be part Islam's image problem. Little tip for you.

 

[Kerr]

for my experience , in my region , the women recently in 100 years ago was , married at 12 years old , and they were "mature" (mean able to marry) , and my grandmother married at 12 years old , and my mother married at 15 old , now it's different , the 15 old could not marry !!!! ????

I the case of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) God , maybe god want that , He is messanger of God , the God sent him to the mankind , if God did not allowed him to married 11 women , he would not ,in this case you are judging the god choice , and deny it !!!


for eg : Solomon (pbuh) as i heard married more than 500 wifes , God allowed to him,
-You don't have the right to judge the God choice and God law

God has nothing to do with it, the choices of the men in question does. Sex with children is wrong and unacceptable. Just as rape is wrong and unacceptable. That is all I am saying. If God has another opinion he is free to have one, but he cannot expect me to abandon my principles and approve of pedophilia.

 

[Godobeyer]

Who said anything about God? Wrong is wrong, regardless of what you believe. If someone believes that God tells them to do something wrong, it's still wrong. And I say pedophilia is wrong.

I understand that as a Muslim you have to defend it, and I feel pity for you. I'm glad I don't. My suggestion to you is to deconvert--if you can safely do so--then you don't have to defend immoral actions any more.

Please do not deconvert if you live surrounded by other Muslims, as one of them is likely to kill you. Oh yeah, that would also be wrong.

look sister , you are an athiest , that mean you don't believe in God , or his laws or his decision

 

[Godobeyer]

God has nothing to do with it, the choices of the men in question does. Sex with children is wrong and unacceptable. Just as rape is wrong and unacceptable. That is all I am saying. If God has another opinion he is free to have one, but he cannot expect me to abandon my principles and approve of pedophilia.

oh you said my grandmother (12 years old )was raped and my mother raped (15 years old) ?!!! this is wrong , they was capable , and they accepted , what is the problem ?

 

[Madhuri]

the only answer i can think of is that since we have to "suppress" our desires to be promiscuous on earth, in heaven there is no need to suppress anymore. the idea is that there is no jealousy, no poverty, no imperfection of behavior, etc. so the "evils" of sex with multiple people, drinking alcohol, etc. (forbiddned on earth by Allah) wouldn't have any effect on heavenly society. i think we all get our own "heaven".

blah, i'm not wording it well, but i hope you understand somewhat what i'm saying.

Oh ok, so the acts themselves are not considered bad, just better to avoid because of the potential dramas that could ensue?
Based on the reactions we see from some Muslims, it would seem that the very acts themselves are despicable. But it is good to know that this is a misunderstanding.

 

[waitasec]

look sister , you are an athiest , that mean you don't believe in God , or his laws or his decision

what? explain...
are you saying it's ok to be a polygamist pedophile if you have god or allah on your side justifying horrific acts done unto children?
lame

 

[Godobeyer]

what? explain...
are you saying it's ok to be a polygamist pedophile if you have god or allah on your side justifying horrific acts done unto children?
lame

My mother married at 15 and my grandmother 12 , they was not children , they were very mature , but now the girls could not marry at age of 15 or 12 !!! i don't know why !!!

 

[Autodidact]

look sister , you are an athiest , that mean you don't believe in God , or his laws or his decision

Yes, and that leaves me free to condemn this child sexual abuse, unlike you. Neat, eh?

 

[Autodidact]

oh you said my grandmother (12 years old )was raped and my mother raped (15 years old) ?!!! this is wrong , they was capable , and they accepted , what is the problem ?

I am definitely saying that it is wrong for fathers to marry off their twelve-year old daughters, yes. Do you disagree? Do you think it's moral to marry a little girl?

 

[Madhuri]

Marry is one thing. Sex is another. If you married at 12 in a particular culture it wouldn't be a big deal. If you were forced into a sex life at that age, it's an entirely different matter.

 

[Autodidact]

I love how he keeps gradually sliding down the numbers trying to make this child abuse acceptable: 17? 15? How about 12?

She was 9, Godo. A little girl playing with dolls. It was wrong. Immoral. When you give it God's stamp of approval, it only confirms my belief that religion in general and Islam in particular lead to immoral behavior. Thank you.

 

[fatima_bintu_islam]

She was 9, Godo. A little girl playing with dolls. It was wrong. Immoral. When you give it God's stamp of approval, it only confirms my belief that religion in general and Islam in particular lead to immoral behavior. Thank you.

I dont know why , that in your case, each time we have to come back to the point Zero which is:

This is what I think, wether you like it or not is not part of my belief.

We start by a discussion , we explain and discuss with other people, then you come and it starts like: whatever you tell I will not accept it, whatever you said it is not correct. So we end up as usual telling you that no one is forcing you to accept the idea, its like take it or leave it

 

[Autodidact]

I dont know why , that in your case, each time we have to come back to the point Zero which is:

This is what I think, wether you like it or not is not part of my belief.

We start by a discussion , we explain and discuss with other people, then you come and it starts like: whatever you tell I will not accept it, whatever you said it is not correct. So we end up as usual telling you that no one is forcing you to accept the idea, its like take it or leave it

Do you like the idea? Do you believe it's right to marry little girls? Is this moral, in your view?

 

[fatima_bintu_islam]

I explained how it wasnt little girls as you're seeing it, but it seems you either cant stand the idea that it may not be as horrible as you think , or just dont want to listen.

As I said earlier, I have a cousin who is ten , had her menses and she was like a WOMEN as much as this word can hold. AND , I live in a moderate atmosphere, imagine we're in a desert.

In cold countries, the signs of menses can be late to sometimes 15 years, like my sister when we lived in France , she had her menses at 15 years. She didnt have a body of a real women before her menses.

Why am I talking about menses? Because it is the beginning of women's body transformation.

Now, can you open your eyes a bit based on fairness and understand what Im saying?

Thank you

 

[nameless]

1500 years ago Marry a 9 years girl was allowed and legal.

why it is illegal these days?

 

[nameless]

the only answer i can think of is that since we have to "suppress" our desires to be promiscuous on earth, in heaven there is no need to suppress anymore. the idea is that there is no jealousy, no poverty, no imperfection of behavior, etc. so the "evils" of sex with multiple people, drinking alcohol, etc. (forbiddned on earth by Allah) wouldn't have any effect on heavenly society. i think we all get our own "heaven".

you mean there always would be evils like jealousy if someone have sex with multiple people?

 

[Kerr]

oh you said my grandmother (12 years old )was raped and my mother raped (15 years old) ?!!! this is wrong , they was capable , and they accepted , what is the problem ?

I morally compared it to rape, I did not say it was the same thing . It really doesn´t matter if the where capable or accepted it or whatever. The problem is that they are children.

 

[Bismillah]

It really doesn´t matter if the where capable or accepted it or whatever. The problem is that they are children.

So you are imposing your own moral conditions on them even when they are morally right in their own eyes?

 

[Kerr]

So you are imposing your own moral conditions on them even when they are morally right in their own eyes?

If that is how you wish to look at it. But it really doesn´t make pedophilia less of a crime.

 

[Bismillah]

If that is how you wish to look at it. But it really doesn´t make pedophilia less of a crime.

I'll discuss pedophilia later. So when I see homosexuality and that goes against my morals does it make it a crime? "If that is how you wish to look at it [homosexuality]. But it really doesn't make homosexuality less of a crime".