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The prophethood of Mohammad???
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Twelve Proofs that Muhammad is a True Prophet
1. Muhammad (may Allah's blessings and peace be upon him) was raised illiterate, unable to read or write, and remained like that till his death. Among all his people, he was known as being truthful and trustworthy. Before receiving revelation, he had no prior knowledge of Religion or any previously sent Message. He remained like that for his first forty years. Revelation then came to Muhammad with the Koran that we now have between our hands. This Koran mentioned most of the accounts found in the previous scriptures, telling us about these events in the greatest detail as if he witnessed them. These accounts came precisely as they were found in the Torah sent down to Moses and in the Gospel sent down to Jesus. Neither the Jews or Christians were able to belie him regarding anything that he said.
2. Muhammad (may Allah's blessings and peace be upon him) also foretold of everything that would occur to him and his community after him, pertaining to victory, the removal of the tyrannical kingdoms of Chosroes [the royal title for the Zoroastrian kings of Persia] and Caesar, and the establishment of the religion of Islam throughout the earth. These events occurred exactly as Muhammad foretold, as if he was reading the future from an open book.
3. Muhammad (may Allah's blessings and peace be upon him) also brought an Arabic Koran that is the peak of eloquence and clarity. The Koran challenged those eloquent and fluent Arabs of his time, who initially belied him, to bring forth a single chapter like the Koran. The eloquent Arabs of his day were unable to contest this Koran.
Indeed, till our day, none has ever dared to claim that he has been able to compose words that equal-or even approach-the order, grace, beauty, and splendor of this Glorious Koran.
4. The life history of this Noble Prophet was a perfect example of being upright, merciful, compassionate, truthful, brave, generous, distant from all evil character, and ascetic in all worldly matters, while striving solely for the reward of the Hereafter. Moreover, in all his actions and dealings, he was ever mindful and fearful of Allah.
5. Allah instilled great love for Muhammad (may Allah's blessings and peace be upon him) in the hearts of all who believed in and met him. This love reached such a degree that any of his companions would willingly sacrifice his (or her) self, mother or father for him.
Till today, those who believe in Muhammad honor and love him. Anyone of those who believe in him would ransom his own family and wealth to see him, even if but once.
6. All of history has not preserved the biography of any person in the manner it has preserved the life of Muhammad, who is the most influential human in history.
Nor has the entire earth known of anyone whom every morning and evening, and many times thereafter throughout the day, is thought of by those who believe in him. Upon remembering Muhammad, the believers in him will greet him and ask Allah to bless him. They do such with full hearts and true love for him.
1. Muhammad (may Allah's blessings and peace be upon him) was raised illiterate, unable to read or write, and remained like that till his death. Among all his people, he was known as being truthful and trustworthy. Before receiving revelation, he had no prior knowledge of Religion or any previously sent Message. He remained like that for his first forty years. Revelation then came to Muhammad with the Koran that we now have between our hands. This Koran mentioned most of the accounts found in the previous scriptures, telling us about these events in the greatest detail as if he witnessed them. These accounts came precisely as they were found in the Torah sent down to Moses and in the Gospel sent down to Jesus. Neither the Jews or Christians were able to belie him regarding anything that he said.
2. Muhammad (may Allah's blessings and peace be upon him) also foretold of everything that would occur to him and his community after him, pertaining to victory, the removal of the tyrannical kingdoms of Chosroes [the royal title for the Zoroastrian kings of Persia] and Caesar, and the establishment of the religion of Islam throughout the earth. These events occurred exactly as Muhammad foretold, as if he was reading the future from an open book.
3. Muhammad (may Allah's blessings and peace be upon him) also brought an Arabic Koran that is the peak of eloquence and clarity. The Koran challenged those eloquent and fluent Arabs of his time, who initially belied him, to bring forth a single chapter like the Koran. The eloquent Arabs of his day were unable to contest this Koran.
Indeed, till our day, none has ever dared to claim that he has been able to compose words that equal-or even approach-the order, grace, beauty, and splendor of this Glorious Koran.
4. The life history of this Noble Prophet was a perfect example of being upright, merciful, compassionate, truthful, brave, generous, distant from all evil character, and ascetic in all worldly matters, while striving solely for the reward of the Hereafter. Moreover, in all his actions and dealings, he was ever mindful and fearful of Allah.
5. Allah instilled great love for Muhammad (may Allah's blessings and peace be upon him) in the hearts of all who believed in and met him. This love reached such a degree that any of his companions would willingly sacrifice his (or her) self, mother or father for him.
Till today, those who believe in Muhammad honor and love him. Anyone of those who believe in him would ransom his own family and wealth to see him, even if but once.
6. All of history has not preserved the biography of any person in the manner it has preserved the life of Muhammad, who is the most influential human in history.
Nor has the entire earth known of anyone whom every morning and evening, and many times thereafter throughout the day, is thought of by those who believe in him. Upon remembering Muhammad, the believers in him will greet him and ask Allah to bless him. They do such with full hearts and true love for him.
7. Nor has there every been a man on earth whom is still followed in all his doings by those who believe in him.
Those who believe in Muhammad, sleep in the manner he slept; purify themselves (through ablution and ritual washing) in the manner he purified himself; and adhere to his practice in the way they eat, drink, and clothe themselves.
Indeed in all aspects of their lives, the believers in Muhammad adhere to the teachings he spread among them and the path that he traveled upon during his life.
During every generation, from his day till our time, the believers in this Noble Prophet have fully adhered to his teachings. With some, this has reached the degree that they desire to follow and adhere to the Prophet's way in his personal matters regarding which Allah has not sought of them to adhere to in worship. For example, some will only eat those specific foods or only wear those specific garments that the Messenger liked.
Let alone all that, all those who believe in Muhammad repeat those praises of Allah, special prayers, and invocations that he would say during each of his actions during day and night, like: what he would say when he greeted people, upon entering and leaving the house, entering and leaving the mosque, entering and leaving the bathroom, going to sleep and awaking from sleep, observing the new crescent, observing the new fruit on trees, eating, drinking, dressing, riding, traveling and returning from travel, etc.
Let alone all that, all those who believe in Muhammad fully perform-even to the minute detail-every act of worship-like prayer, fasting, charity, and pilgrimage-as this Noble Messenger (may Allah's blessings and peace be upon him) taught and as he himself performed.
All of this allows those who believe in him, to live their lives in all aspects with this Noble Messenger as their example, as if he was standing before them, for them to follow in all their doings.
8. There has never been nor will there ever be a man anywhere upon this earth who has received such love, respect, honor, and obedience in all matters-small and large alike-as has this Noble Prophet.
9. Since his day, in every region of the earth and during every period, this Noble Prophet has been followed by individuals from all races, colors and peoples. Many of those who followed him were previously Christians, Jews, pagans, idolaters, or without any religion. Among those who chose to follow him, were those who were known for their sound judgment, wisdom, reflection, and foresight. They chose to follow this Noble Prophet after they witnessed the signs of his truthfulness and the evidences of his miracles. They did not choose to follow Muhammad out of compulsion or coercion or because they had adopted the ways of their fathers and mothers.
Indeed many of the followers of this Prophet (may Allah's blessings peace be upon him), chose to follow him during the time when Islam was weak, when there were few Muslims, and when there was severe persecution of his followers on earth. Most people who have followed this Prophet (may Allah's blessings and peace be upon him) have done so not to acquire some material benefits. Indeed many of his followers have suffered the greatest forms of harm and persecution as a result of following this Prophet. Despite all this harm and persecution, this did not turn them back from his religion.
My brethren! All of this clearly indicates to anyone possessing any sense, that this Prophet was truly and really Allah's messenger and that he was not just a man who claimed prophethood or spoke about Allah without knowledge.
10. With all this, Muhammad came with a great religion in its credal and legal make-up.
Muhammad described Allah with qualities of complete perfection, and at the same time in a manner that is free of ascribing to Him any imperfection. Neither the philosophers or the wise could ever describe Allah like such. Indeed it is impossible to imagine that any human mind could conceive of an existing being that possesses such complete ability, knowledge, and greatness; Who has subdued the creation; Who has encompassed everything in the universe, small or large; and Who possesses such perfect mercy.
Nor is it in the ability of any human being to place a perfect law based upon justice, equality, mercy and objectivity for all human activity on earth like the laws that Muhammad brought for all spheres of human activity - like buying and selling, marriage and divorce, renting, testimony, custody, and all other contracts that are necessary to uphold life and civilization on earth.
11. It is impossible that any person conceive wisdom,, morals, good manners, nobleness of characters as what this honorable Prophet (may Allah's blessings and peace be upon him) brought.
In a full and complete manner, Muhammad spread a teaching regarding character and manners toward one' parents, relatives, fiends, family, humanity, animals, plants and inanimate objects. It is impossible for the human mind alone to grasp all of that teaching or come with a similar teaching.
All of that unequivocally indicates that this Messenger did not bring an) of this religion from his own accord, but that it was rather a teaching and inspiration that he received from the One Who created the earth and the high heavens above and created this universe in its miraculous architecture and perfection.
12. The legal and credal make-up of the religion that the Messenger, Muhammad, (may Allah's blessings and peace be upon him) brought resembles the engineering of the heavens and the earth. All of that indicates that He who created the heavens and the earth is the One Who sent down this great law and upright religion. The degree of inimitability of the Divine law that was sent down upon Muhammad is to the same degree of inimitability of the Divine creation of the heavens and earth. For just as humanity cannot create this universe, in the same manner humanity cannot bring forth a law like Allah's law that He sent down upon His servant and messenger Muhammad (may Allah's blessings and peace be upon him).
Those who believe in Muhammad, sleep in the manner he slept; purify themselves (through ablution and ritual washing) in the manner he purified himself; and adhere to his practice in the way they eat, drink, and clothe themselves.
Indeed in all aspects of their lives, the believers in Muhammad adhere to the teachings he spread among them and the path that he traveled upon during his life.
During every generation, from his day till our time, the believers in this Noble Prophet have fully adhered to his teachings. With some, this has reached the degree that they desire to follow and adhere to the Prophet's way in his personal matters regarding which Allah has not sought of them to adhere to in worship. For example, some will only eat those specific foods or only wear those specific garments that the Messenger liked.
Let alone all that, all those who believe in Muhammad repeat those praises of Allah, special prayers, and invocations that he would say during each of his actions during day and night, like: what he would say when he greeted people, upon entering and leaving the house, entering and leaving the mosque, entering and leaving the bathroom, going to sleep and awaking from sleep, observing the new crescent, observing the new fruit on trees, eating, drinking, dressing, riding, traveling and returning from travel, etc.
Let alone all that, all those who believe in Muhammad fully perform-even to the minute detail-every act of worship-like prayer, fasting, charity, and pilgrimage-as this Noble Messenger (may Allah's blessings and peace be upon him) taught and as he himself performed.
All of this allows those who believe in him, to live their lives in all aspects with this Noble Messenger as their example, as if he was standing before them, for them to follow in all their doings.
8. There has never been nor will there ever be a man anywhere upon this earth who has received such love, respect, honor, and obedience in all matters-small and large alike-as has this Noble Prophet.
9. Since his day, in every region of the earth and during every period, this Noble Prophet has been followed by individuals from all races, colors and peoples. Many of those who followed him were previously Christians, Jews, pagans, idolaters, or without any religion. Among those who chose to follow him, were those who were known for their sound judgment, wisdom, reflection, and foresight. They chose to follow this Noble Prophet after they witnessed the signs of his truthfulness and the evidences of his miracles. They did not choose to follow Muhammad out of compulsion or coercion or because they had adopted the ways of their fathers and mothers.
Indeed many of the followers of this Prophet (may Allah's blessings peace be upon him), chose to follow him during the time when Islam was weak, when there were few Muslims, and when there was severe persecution of his followers on earth. Most people who have followed this Prophet (may Allah's blessings and peace be upon him) have done so not to acquire some material benefits. Indeed many of his followers have suffered the greatest forms of harm and persecution as a result of following this Prophet. Despite all this harm and persecution, this did not turn them back from his religion.
My brethren! All of this clearly indicates to anyone possessing any sense, that this Prophet was truly and really Allah's messenger and that he was not just a man who claimed prophethood or spoke about Allah without knowledge.
10. With all this, Muhammad came with a great religion in its credal and legal make-up.
Muhammad described Allah with qualities of complete perfection, and at the same time in a manner that is free of ascribing to Him any imperfection. Neither the philosophers or the wise could ever describe Allah like such. Indeed it is impossible to imagine that any human mind could conceive of an existing being that possesses such complete ability, knowledge, and greatness; Who has subdued the creation; Who has encompassed everything in the universe, small or large; and Who possesses such perfect mercy.
Nor is it in the ability of any human being to place a perfect law based upon justice, equality, mercy and objectivity for all human activity on earth like the laws that Muhammad brought for all spheres of human activity - like buying and selling, marriage and divorce, renting, testimony, custody, and all other contracts that are necessary to uphold life and civilization on earth.
11. It is impossible that any person conceive wisdom,, morals, good manners, nobleness of characters as what this honorable Prophet (may Allah's blessings and peace be upon him) brought.
In a full and complete manner, Muhammad spread a teaching regarding character and manners toward one' parents, relatives, fiends, family, humanity, animals, plants and inanimate objects. It is impossible for the human mind alone to grasp all of that teaching or come with a similar teaching.
All of that unequivocally indicates that this Messenger did not bring an) of this religion from his own accord, but that it was rather a teaching and inspiration that he received from the One Who created the earth and the high heavens above and created this universe in its miraculous architecture and perfection.
12. The legal and credal make-up of the religion that the Messenger, Muhammad, (may Allah's blessings and peace be upon him) brought resembles the engineering of the heavens and the earth. All of that indicates that He who created the heavens and the earth is the One Who sent down this great law and upright religion. The degree of inimitability of the Divine law that was sent down upon Muhammad is to the same degree of inimitability of the Divine creation of the heavens and earth. For just as humanity cannot create this universe, in the same manner humanity cannot bring forth a law like Allah's law that He sent down upon His servant and messenger Muhammad (may Allah's blessings and peace be upon him).
No*s
Captain Obvious
Well, I'm not a Muslim because I'm a Christian for starters. Secondly, it's not really something that's ever struck me as particularly divine. Don't take offense, but that's just the way I see it, and I know others see mine the same way.
Proof 1: I don't believe all this. For instance, "he had no prior knowledge of Religion or any previously sent Message." It seems fairly odd to me, given that he grew up in a village which certainly had a religion. Further, he kept the Kabaa, which coincidentally was part of religion was. It may not mean much for you, but it does me, and yes, I am aware of the origen the Quran gives it. Lastly, he was a negotiator for traders. I have trouble believing he remained illiterate. I see ample opportunity, and reason, to do it. Good negotiators tend to be able to read agreements when there is written dissent. Hence, I simply do not believe the claim.
Proof 2: Accurate predictions have very little to say to me. My mother had a tarot card reader accurately predict what would happen to her for several years to come (as in 100% accuracy, even to the point of names). That doesn't mean I buy Tarot, and I don't doubt that it would for you either.
Proof 3: What is more eloquent and less eloquent is as subjective as it is objective. We all believe that stammering allover oneself isn't eloquent, but nobody agrees on what is "most eloquent." Appealing to your taste that the Quran is the "most eloquent" in anything is purely subjective, and I'm quite likely to think other books are more eloquent.
Proof 4: We make the same claims about Christ, and even go further. For all we seriously know about either, they could have been child molestors. I trust the stories about Jesus, but I can't know how truly they represent Him. However, IIRC, the Quran was passed down orally for over a century before being written down, and so were stories of Muhammed's life. I feel more sure of Christ. Not saying Muhammed wasn't upright, but I'm just saying that I feel more sure of Christ or Socrates.
Proof 5: This is, like 3, self-proving. Any number of people, including pagans, have that sort of charisma where people loved them. Further, any Christian family would have a similar devotion, a Buddhist family woudl probably have a similar devotion to Gauttama, and so on. Talking about people's devotion today in a religion is a very poor standard of proof, because it cuts for all religions. Further, Christians believe the Antichrist will be so-loved.
Proof 6: I don't think he's been uniquely preserved. Because his memoires are preserved in poetic law and tradition? Well, Moses fits that criteria. Because the Quran is somewhat of its own genre? Well Christians inspired the Gospels, which were somewhat different in their own right. However, when we look at all of these, including Muhammed, we find they aren't too unique in their preservation. Is it because of the religious praises sung to him? Well, we have Christ, Krishna, Moses, and several others.
Proof 7: You follow what is written, and follow it how it has been preserved. Frankly, if you all did things the same way, there wouldn't be Sunni, Shiite, Wahabist, etc. Muslims. The fact that there are indicates that there is a divergance on this point...just like not all churches can rightfully claim to trace themselves back to Christ. The sectarian sword that cuts towards Chrsitianity also cuts against Islam here.
Proof 8: I'd say look at Hammurabi. The Mosaic Law has borrowed from his, and the Quran has a pedigree through Mosaic Law to him. Nonetheless, Buddhism commands more followers, and thus, Gauttama commands more obedience and followers from people. All the love, obedience, honor, etc. you name may be tested with any religious leader or founder, and Islam isn't the largest.
Proof 9: And I can say that there are Christians in every country. I can probably say there are Orthodox Christians in every country. I think it may be true of Buddhism. So what? This is another proof that is rather spread around.
Proof 10: First, I hardly consider it perfect. From that statement alone, this proof only works for Muslims. If we don't believe it, then why would we give credence to this? Second, Muhammed did have access to such religion in its credal form. We have the Mosaic Law, which borrowed from the Code of Hammurabbi. It wasn't the only one. It's not a coincidence that the Quran bears such a strong resemblance to a dominant legal tradition in the area. To me, as an outsider, he clearly did have access to just that, and he modified and built on it.
Proof 11: And we laud the same praises on Christ. Why should we change just because you say so? This, again, is a subjective appeal that requires a preconception that Islam is right. Since I don't share it, the entire argument has no force.
Proof 12: I don't buy that at all. It does no such thing, and I think that's objectively false. What we've learned about evolution, for instance, contradicts the literal interpretation of Muhammed's creation account, and evolution is at least supportable. The scientific "proofs" are based on grabbing words out of their context to make it work that way. I can supply such proofs for the Bible or even Homer. It doesn't make them carry more weight.
You should remember when you supply proofs like this that the people you are trying to present it to don't believe what you believe. If you wish to tell us what Islam thinks, then you can assume what you want. When you want to prove Islam, then your preconceptions have to be shared or proven. It simply cannot work without that, and if we shared them, we'd be Muslims.
Proof 1: I don't believe all this. For instance, "he had no prior knowledge of Religion or any previously sent Message." It seems fairly odd to me, given that he grew up in a village which certainly had a religion. Further, he kept the Kabaa, which coincidentally was part of religion was. It may not mean much for you, but it does me, and yes, I am aware of the origen the Quran gives it. Lastly, he was a negotiator for traders. I have trouble believing he remained illiterate. I see ample opportunity, and reason, to do it. Good negotiators tend to be able to read agreements when there is written dissent. Hence, I simply do not believe the claim.
Proof 2: Accurate predictions have very little to say to me. My mother had a tarot card reader accurately predict what would happen to her for several years to come (as in 100% accuracy, even to the point of names). That doesn't mean I buy Tarot, and I don't doubt that it would for you either.
Proof 3: What is more eloquent and less eloquent is as subjective as it is objective. We all believe that stammering allover oneself isn't eloquent, but nobody agrees on what is "most eloquent." Appealing to your taste that the Quran is the "most eloquent" in anything is purely subjective, and I'm quite likely to think other books are more eloquent.
Proof 4: We make the same claims about Christ, and even go further. For all we seriously know about either, they could have been child molestors. I trust the stories about Jesus, but I can't know how truly they represent Him. However, IIRC, the Quran was passed down orally for over a century before being written down, and so were stories of Muhammed's life. I feel more sure of Christ. Not saying Muhammed wasn't upright, but I'm just saying that I feel more sure of Christ or Socrates.
Proof 5: This is, like 3, self-proving. Any number of people, including pagans, have that sort of charisma where people loved them. Further, any Christian family would have a similar devotion, a Buddhist family woudl probably have a similar devotion to Gauttama, and so on. Talking about people's devotion today in a religion is a very poor standard of proof, because it cuts for all religions. Further, Christians believe the Antichrist will be so-loved.
Proof 6: I don't think he's been uniquely preserved. Because his memoires are preserved in poetic law and tradition? Well, Moses fits that criteria. Because the Quran is somewhat of its own genre? Well Christians inspired the Gospels, which were somewhat different in their own right. However, when we look at all of these, including Muhammed, we find they aren't too unique in their preservation. Is it because of the religious praises sung to him? Well, we have Christ, Krishna, Moses, and several others.
Proof 7: You follow what is written, and follow it how it has been preserved. Frankly, if you all did things the same way, there wouldn't be Sunni, Shiite, Wahabist, etc. Muslims. The fact that there are indicates that there is a divergance on this point...just like not all churches can rightfully claim to trace themselves back to Christ. The sectarian sword that cuts towards Chrsitianity also cuts against Islam here.
Proof 8: I'd say look at Hammurabi. The Mosaic Law has borrowed from his, and the Quran has a pedigree through Mosaic Law to him. Nonetheless, Buddhism commands more followers, and thus, Gauttama commands more obedience and followers from people. All the love, obedience, honor, etc. you name may be tested with any religious leader or founder, and Islam isn't the largest.
Proof 9: And I can say that there are Christians in every country. I can probably say there are Orthodox Christians in every country. I think it may be true of Buddhism. So what? This is another proof that is rather spread around.
Proof 10: First, I hardly consider it perfect. From that statement alone, this proof only works for Muslims. If we don't believe it, then why would we give credence to this? Second, Muhammed did have access to such religion in its credal form. We have the Mosaic Law, which borrowed from the Code of Hammurabbi. It wasn't the only one. It's not a coincidence that the Quran bears such a strong resemblance to a dominant legal tradition in the area. To me, as an outsider, he clearly did have access to just that, and he modified and built on it.
Proof 11: And we laud the same praises on Christ. Why should we change just because you say so? This, again, is a subjective appeal that requires a preconception that Islam is right. Since I don't share it, the entire argument has no force.
Proof 12: I don't buy that at all. It does no such thing, and I think that's objectively false. What we've learned about evolution, for instance, contradicts the literal interpretation of Muhammed's creation account, and evolution is at least supportable. The scientific "proofs" are based on grabbing words out of their context to make it work that way. I can supply such proofs for the Bible or even Homer. It doesn't make them carry more weight.
You should remember when you supply proofs like this that the people you are trying to present it to don't believe what you believe. If you wish to tell us what Islam thinks, then you can assume what you want. When you want to prove Islam, then your preconceptions have to be shared or proven. It simply cannot work without that, and if we shared them, we'd be Muslims.
Lord_Vader
Member
I think it is time to open the worlds eyes to the truth. Jesus, Muhhammad, Buddha, Nostradamus (and other prohpets alike), other religious icons & many other people today and long gone have crossed from the material world into the spiritual world. All religions, prophecies are the result of humans who through the ability to entre deep meditation have seen something /experienced something unexplainable and have through their own understanding of life, society, religious understanding tried to lable it in away that people around them will accept and understand.
Every human through practice & patience, maybe some need extra help, have the ability to crossover, to see the past, to see the future, to see other realms, to see the bright light which one believes is god. No one is wrong, no one is right. The question is, are you ready to see the truth and accept it for what it is or are you scared.
It is difficult to make sence of something in our time, in their times before us, something which goes beyond our cognitive understanding of the world we are conditioned to believe we live in. Once you learn to look inwards, then you will see for yourself and start hearing the knowledge of al and nothing and what is and is not.
sadly I believe most humans are never ready, humans fear the unknown and seek protection resulting in ignorence and the world we have created today.
Every human through practice & patience, maybe some need extra help, have the ability to crossover, to see the past, to see the future, to see other realms, to see the bright light which one believes is god. No one is wrong, no one is right. The question is, are you ready to see the truth and accept it for what it is or are you scared.
It is difficult to make sence of something in our time, in their times before us, something which goes beyond our cognitive understanding of the world we are conditioned to believe we live in. Once you learn to look inwards, then you will see for yourself and start hearing the knowledge of al and nothing and what is and is not.
sadly I believe most humans are never ready, humans fear the unknown and seek protection resulting in ignorence and the world we have created today.
Lord_Vader
Member
In regards to this post, I think these people and the prophet of Islam are examples of what we should have been, not what we have become. Only people like these have developed the heart & compassion required to entre the final destination and have tried to teach us the way. From god we come and to god we return. Life is gods lesson and way of purity of the soul. God to me, is the energy which exist in all life. The energy which created all that is and is not, it is the source and you are apart of god as god is apart of you. God is merly a lable to describe that which can not be described.
The answer is very simple. Would anyone claiming to be a prophet and actually be not one endurethe amount of suffering Mohammed did? Impossible.
Just compare his life before he claimed prophethood and after it. Its impossible he lied.
An envoy of the pagan leaders, Otba, came to him saying, “...If you want money, we will collect enough money for you so that you will be the richest one of us. If you want leadership, we will take you as our leader and never decide on any matter without your approval. If you want a kingdom, we will crown you king over us...” Only one concession was required from Muhammad
in return for that, to give up calling people to Islam and worshipping God alone without any partner. Wouldn’t this offer be tempting to one pursuing worldly benefit? Was Muhammad
hesitant when the offer was made? Did he turn it down as a bargaining strategy leaving the door open for a better offer? If he was a fake prophet, he would have accepted. What more does any man want? The following was his answer:
{I swear by the name of God, O Uncle!, that if they place the sun in my right-hand and the moon in my left-hand in return for giving up this matter (calling people to Islam), I will never desist until either God makes it triumph or I perish defending it.}
(Al-Serah Al-Nabaweyyah, Ibn Hesham, vol. 1, pp. 265-266.)
http://www.islam-guide.com/ch1-6.htm#bf12
Just compare his life before he claimed prophethood and after it. Its impossible he lied.
An envoy of the pagan leaders, Otba, came to him saying, “...If you want money, we will collect enough money for you so that you will be the richest one of us. If you want leadership, we will take you as our leader and never decide on any matter without your approval. If you want a kingdom, we will crown you king over us...” Only one concession was required from Muhammad
{I swear by the name of God, O Uncle!, that if they place the sun in my right-hand and the moon in my left-hand in return for giving up this matter (calling people to Islam), I will never desist until either God makes it triumph or I perish defending it.}
(Al-Serah Al-Nabaweyyah, Ibn Hesham, vol. 1, pp. 265-266.)
http://www.islam-guide.com/ch1-6.htm#bf12
Plus if he was the one who wrote the Quran, it would have had many contradictions, errors, etc because he was human. Not only does the Quran doesnt have a single mistake in it, in has tons and tons of miracles in it. There also is an open challenge in the Quran which is still open today and has been open for 1400 years to produce one chapter like it, all have failed.
Search on youtube "quranic miracles" and see for yourself.
Some miracles: http://www.islam-guide.com/frm-ch1-1.htm
Search on youtube "quranic miracles" and see for yourself.
Some miracles: http://www.islam-guide.com/frm-ch1-1.htm
fullyveiled muslimah
Evil incarnate!
jewscout said:why the hell was this thread of proselytizing resurrected?
I don't think it is proselytizing simply because even if it were proven 100% beyond a shadow of a doubt that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah, I don't think too many RFers would accept it anyway. Plus, it's not muslim style to proselytize that way. Most of our dawah is done in an invitational basis, meaning people ask us a question and we answer it. Or the most meaningful way for muslims to give dawa is by practice of Islam. In this manner people are being influenced without intruding on thier personal space, or challenging what they believe or right to believe it.
However, I do agree with you that the thread probably should not have been rehashed. Instead of opening the door to discussion as it should, it opens the door to a lot of negative slams against the prophet and muslims and Islam in general. It inevitably ends up something like this:
The muslims aren't practicing Islam
Muhammad was a violent man who spread Islam by the sword
No he didn't
Yes he did
Prove it
No you prove it
Quran is violent
No it isn't
Yes it is
See here it is violent ..(chapter and verse)
That's out of context
No it's not
Yes it is
You get my point.......
ayani
member
while not a Muslim, i believe it possible that Mohammed was a prophet of God.
i remember an argument from a (slightly tipsy) non-muslim who said "either he was a bloody genius, or a prophet". he certainly founded a religious body that has brought billions into its fold, united many, and given the world some of the most beautiful religious language and ideas it's seen.
i think it is far more likely that Mohammed recieved a message of tawhid and submission to God from God Himself than not.
i remember an argument from a (slightly tipsy) non-muslim who said "either he was a bloody genius, or a prophet". he certainly founded a religious body that has brought billions into its fold, united many, and given the world some of the most beautiful religious language and ideas it's seen.
i think it is far more likely that Mohammed recieved a message of tawhid and submission to God from God Himself than not.
Wandered Off
Sporadic Driveby Member
My opinion is that God does not need to use fallible human agents to make a point. A planet-wide game of "Pass It On" seems a bit beneath the creator of the universe. The notion that God would have a message for ALL of humanity but tell only a tiny few - forcing the rest of us to rely on them - seems suspect. To me, it looks like one of the worst ways to broadcast a coherent message.mli3 said:
Besides, I think the idea that humans are the focus of divine attention may well reflect an exaggerated sense of self-importance, which is another reason I don't see a need for prophets.
I state only an opinion here and intend no disrespect for those who believe in prophets, just as I am certain they intend no disrespect of God's communication skills.
Mujahid Mohammed
Well-Known Member
Yeah but he said someone bringing a message would also come after him. Why because of what you just stated. If no one was coming after him then he wouldn't have given the description of him for the people to recognize. He would have said I am the last one no one will come after me. But he did not say that. Now if you look at the characteristics of the comforter whom Jesus spoke about as the brother mentioned above. These are attributes you can give to the Messenger of Allah and Islam.t3gah said:
NoahideHiker
Religious Headbanger
Weather Muhammad was a prophet is not up to us non-Muslims. To a Muslim he was a prophet and that's all that matters. Personally I do believe that Muhammad was ordained by G-d to live the life he did and do the things he did. To what end I do not know. It says in the Torah in Berei****
that Ishmael would be a great nation.
that Ishmael would be a great nation.