The prophets tell us that THE SCRIBES HAD CHANGED THE GOD'S LAW

[Sleeppy]

What can you say about the ocean? You have to be a little more specific than that.

Ok. Tell me everything you can think of quickly, on Rabbinical Decrees.. Or, if you will- direct me to a source.

 

[Tumah]

Ok. Tell me everything you can think of quickly, on Rabbinical Decrees.. Or, if you will- direct me to a source.

Ok. Primarily they revolve around:
-preventing one from performing a prohibited action
ex. one can't cook on the Sabbath, but keeping something warm is allowed. The Rabbis decreed that in order to keep something warm, certain precautionary measures must be met.

-to encourage performing required actions
ex. Reading from the Torah scroll on Mondays, Thursdays and Sabbaths so that one not go three days without fulfilling the commandment to learn Torah.

-in commemoration of something
ex. Hannukah, Purim

-everything else
mostly social/communal decrees and prayers

 

[Porque77]

Originally Posted by Porque77
You are very wrong, because the true Law that God gave to Moses, is the Gospel Law. The Gospel's Law was the Law that received Moses and the people of Israel:

"And I do not want you to be ignorant, brothers, that our fathers were all under the cloud, and all passed through the Sea. And all were baptized to Moses in the cloud, and in the Sea, and all ate the same spiritual food. And all drank the same spiritual drink; for they drank of the spiritual rock following, and that Rock was Christ" (1 Corinthians 10:1-5)

There's no foundation for that, but you can certainly believe in what you want to believe, and I will defend your right to do just that.

You say that "There's no foundation for That", but the Gospel, teachings of Jesus Christ are the foundation we have. And Jesus taught us in the Gospel that the Law of God commanded mercy. Jesus Christ says so:

"all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets". (Matthew 7:12)

"If you had known what this means, I want mercy and not sacrifice, you wouldn’t have condemned the innocent" (Matthew 12:7)

Even the Old Testament says that God's law commanded mercy:

"For mercy I want and not sacrifice; and full knowledge of God rather than whole burnt-offerings". (Hosea 6:7)

"O son, my laws forget not, and my sayings give heed to in your heart! For the length of existence and years of life and peace shall be added to you. Charity and trust - do not let them fail to you, but affix them upon your neck, and write them upon the tablet of your heart, and you shall find favor! And think beforehand on the good things before the LORD and men". (Proverbs 3:1-4)

The mercy was what commanded the true Law of God.

 

[metis]

You say that "There's no foundation for That", but the Gospel, teachings of Jesus Christ are the foundation we have. And Jesus taught us in the Gospel that the Law of God commanded mercy. Jesus Christ says so:

"all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets". (Matthew 7:12)

"If you had known what this means, I want mercy and not sacrifice, you wouldn’t have condemned the innocent" (Matthew 12:7)

Even the Old Testament says that God's law commanded mercy:

"For mercy I want and not sacrifice; and full knowledge of God rather than whole burnt-offerings". (Hosea 6:7)

"O son, my laws forget not, and my sayings give heed to in your heart! For the length of existence and years of life and peace shall be added to you. Charity and trust - do not let them fail to you, but affix them upon your neck, and write them upon the tablet of your heart, and you shall find favor! And think beforehand on the good things before the LORD and men". (Proverbs 3:1-4)

The mercy was what commanded the true Law of God.

So, you don't believe Torah and Tanakh doesn't actually teach that? And yet you quote both, and that clearly indicates that they both do teach that.

 

[Tumah]

So, you don't believe Torah and Tanakh doesn't actually teach that? And yet you quote both, and that clearly indicates that they both do teach that.

I honestly don't know how you keep such deep stores of patience for this guy.

 

[metis]

I honestly don't know how you keep such deep stores of patience for this guy.

Maybe it's my insanity?

 

[RabbiO]

Maybe it's my insanity?

Gelatin (kosher of course) is a fun dessert. It's colorful. It wiggles. It tastes good. You can put fruit in it.

For all of its good qualities, however, you still cannot engage in meaningful dialogue with gelatin. (You might think you can, but then you are very old!) The OP has shown that when faced with disagreement he can do little more than quoting, requoting and then requoting still again the same passages of scripture. Even when I suggested that he was quoting verses out of context, without any context, he has not asked for clarification. His only response - requoting the verses. At this point, having taken him to task, I have no interest in trying to communicate with him.... I'd rather talk to gelatin.

Peter

 

[metis]

Gelatin (kosher of course) is a fun dessert. It's colorful. It wiggles. It tastes good. You can put fruit in it.

For all of its good qualities, however, you still cannot engage in meaningful dialogue with gelatin. (You might think you can, but then you are very old!) The OP has shown that when faced with disagreement he can do little more than quoting, requoting and then requoting still again the same passages of scripture. Even when I suggested that he was quoting verses out of context, without any context, he has not asked for clarification. His only response - requoting the verses. At this point, having taken him to task, I have no interest in trying to communicate with him.... I'd rather talk to gelatin.

Peter

Does it talk back to you? Have you often had this problem? Did you have this checked out?



Vern

 

[RabbiO]

Does it talk back to you? Have you often had this problem? Did you have this checked out?


Vern

Now, I know you're getting old. I said you might think you can.

I learned not to try when I was three years old. My vanilla wafers told me it was a fool's errand and my oreos concurred.

Peter

 

[FranklinMichaelV.3]

Now, I know you're getting old. I said you might think you can.

I learned not to try when I was three years old. My vanilla wafers told me it was a fool's errand and my oreos concurred.

Peter

Vanilla Wafers are the dream crushers of little children...

 

[metis]

Now, I know you're getting old. I said you might think you can.

I learned not to try when I was three years old. My vanilla wafers told me it was a fool's errand and my oreos concurred.

Peter

Hey, when I eat garlic, it often talks back to me. Must be an obnoxious voice that I can't hear because when it does that, others leave the room.

 

[Porque77]

So, you don't believe Torah and Tanakh doesn't actually teach that? And yet you quote both, and that clearly indicates that they both do teach that.

I quote from the Old Testament all that coincides with the teachings of Jesus Christ. But there are many things that do not match the Gospel, laws that are contrary to the mercy and forgiveness, as the laws that command wars, death sentences, slavery, sacrifices, and so on.

The only and true law of God are the commandments that Jesus teaches us in the Gospel.

 

[Porque77]

So, you don't believe Torah and Tanakh doesn't actually teach that? And yet you quote both, and that clearly indicates that they both do teach that.

Friend metis, the Law of God taught by Jesus Christ is this:

"Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets" (Matthew 7: 12)

Jesus teaches to a rich man, the precepts of the Law

"And behold, one came to him and said, Teacher, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? And he said unto him, Why askest thou me concerning that which is good? One there is who is good: but if thou wouldest enter into life, keep the commandments. He saith unto him, Which? And Jesus said, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Honor thy father and mother; and, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. The young man saith unto him, All these things have I observed: what lack I yet? Jesus said unto him, If thou wouldest be perfect, go, sell that which thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me. But when the young man heard the saying, he went away sorrowful; for he was one that had great possessions" (Matthew 19: 16-22

These are the commandments of the Gospel, which are very different to the commandments of the Old Testament, for all the commandments of the Gospel are merciful, but many commandments of the Old Testament commanded death sentences, wars and slavery. And those commandments weren't really God's Law.

These commandmets of death sentences, wars and slavery aren't God's commandments.

Jesus Christ preached us the true God's Law, but Roma's emperors (emperor Constantine, IV century) don't wanted the Gospel's Law and they imposed the Old Testament's laws saying these laws were the God's commandments. Since then, the Gospel's Law was unknown to the christian people as the only God's Law and the God's true Law.

 

[metis]

Friend metis, the Law of God taught by Jesus Christ is this:...

Jesus was only one Jewish man of multitudes of Jewish men and women who have commented on the Law, and we in Judaism do not blindly follow just one set of ideas from one commentator. Since you believe in Jesus as somehow being the "final answer", that's maybe fine for you, but not for us. Instead, we're encouraged to read a variety of opinions and then use reason to draw our own conclusions.

 

[RabbiO]

Jesus was only one Jewish man of multitudes of Jewish men and women who have commented on the Law, and we in Judaism do not blindly follow just one set of ideas from one commentator. Since you believe in Jesus as somehow being the "final answer", that's maybe fine for you, but not for us. Instead, we're encouraged to read a variety of opinions and then use reason to draw our own conclusions.

The Talmud (Yavamot 65b), and I say this quite colloquially, says if you engage with someone who will listen to your words, engage, but if you will not be listened to, you really shouldn't try especially when there are more valuable things you could be doing like picking the lint out of your navel.

Peter

 

[metis]

The Talmud (Yavamot 65b), and I say this quite colloquially, says if you engage with someone who will listen to your words, engage, but if you will not be listened to, you really shouldn't try especially when there are more valuable things you could be doing like picking the lint out of your navel.

Peter

Good point, and the Dalai Lama said something quite similar to that (is he a closet Jew?). BTW, I cleaned my navel last month when I ran out of dental floss.

Vern

 

[Porque77]

Jesus was only one Jewish man of multitudes of Jewish men and women who have commented on the Law, and we in Judaism do not blindly follow just one set of ideas from one commentator. Since you believe in Jesus as somehow being the "final answer", that's maybe fine for you, but not for us. Instead, we're encouraged to read a variety of opinions and then use reason to draw our own conclusions.

I also use reason to draw my own conclusions from all religions that I have studied, and I'll take the Gospel of Jesus Christ, it is the perfect and merciful teaching for the good of all men and women of good will.

The Gospel of Jesus Christ is the tree trunk ... Other philosophies of men are just dead leaves.

 

[Porque77]

The Talmud (Yavamot 65b), and I say this quite colloquially, says if you engage with someone who will listen to your words, engage, but if you will not be listened to, you really shouldn't try especially when there are more valuable things you could be doing like picking the lint out of your navel.

Peter

The prophets say:

"...but my people know not the ordinance of the LORD. "How can you say, 'We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us'? But, behold, the false pen of the scribes has made it into a lie". (Jeremiah 8:7-8)

There is the gospel of Yeshua....

OK......

 

[RabbiO]

The prophets say:

"...but my people know not the ordinance of the LORD. "How can you say, 'We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us'? But, behold, the false pen of the scribes has made it into a lie". (Jeremiah 8:7-8)

There is the gospel of Yeshua....

OK......

No it is not OK.

I expect this be the last communication between us, especially since you now find it necessary to denigrate the Talmud.

I will tell you this one last time - You are quoting a verse out of context and without any understanding of context. You may disagree with me, that is your right, but you have never inquired as to why I have said what I say.

Trying to talk to you is like trying to have a conversation with a recording. Frankly, my time is too precious to waste.

Nevertheless, go in peace.

Peter

 

[Muffled]

You are aware what jesus spouted?

Luke 19:27

"But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them--bring them here and kill them in front of me."

It wasn't the first time: I Sam. 8:7 And Jehovah said unto Samuel, Hearken unto the voice of the people in all that they say unto thee; for they have not rejected thee, but they have rejected me, that I should not be king over them.