The prophets tell us that THE SCRIBES HAD CHANGED THE GOD'S LAW

[CMike]

All the jews heard G-D give the 10 commandmetns/principles.

 

[CMike]

What also helped is that they weren't allowed to see what Moses had set up on the mountain to fake God's presence. The Jews in here have no place talking down to porque77 as you all are highly hypocritical in your own denials of reason where you perceive them to be to your benefit. You're judging with a double-standard.

Actually I think the jews here are totally justified in talking down to porque.

 

[Prophet]

All the jews heard G-D give the 10 commandmetns/principles.

I won't say anything that awful about Jews. In any large group of people, there will be some intelligent people who are not as easily fooled as the simpletons. Not all Jews are morons, just some.

 

[Prophet]

Actually I think the jews here are totally justified in talking down to porque.

I established a rationale for why you think that earlier in this debate. It is because you have bigoted beliefs.

 

[CMike]

I won't say anything that awful about Jews. In any large group of people, there will be some intelligent people who are not as easily fooled as the simpletons. Not all Jews are morons, just some.

You would know.

 

[Porque77]

The legend regarding the Septuagint, the 72 sages who did the translation, only refers to the Torah, not the rest of the Tanakh. Nor is there anything about the translators being elderly.

The Hebrew texts did not disappear at the time of the destruction of the 2nd Temple.

Every time I think I'll give it another shot at trying to communicate with you I wind up dismayed over both your ignorance and your undeterred determination to remain ignorant.

That's what you say, but the Biblical story of the best translators say that the books of the Hebrew canon are from the Middle Ages, and all copied from Christians books.

Jewish books were destroyed by the Romans in the destruction of the temple in the year seventy after Christ.

But of course, now modern religions change everything.

 

[Prophet]

You would know.

I've met metis, and I've met you.

 

[RabbiO]

That's what you say, but the Biblical story of the best translators say that the books of the Hebrew canon are from the Middle Ages, and all copied from Christians books.

Jewish books were destroyed by the Romans in the destruction of the temple in the year seventy after Christ......

Please provide a list of these "best translators", and where their comments can be located, who state that the Hebrew scripture we have today is a Hebrew translation made in the Middle Ages from Christian scriptures in Greek.

 

[CMike]

I've met metis, and I've met you.

I thought you meant that you used your mirror.

 

[CMike]

That's what you say, but the Biblical story of the best translators say that the books of the Hebrew canon are from the Middle Ages, and all copied from Christians books.

Jewish books were destroyed by the Romans in the destruction of the temple in the year seventy after Christ.

But of course, now modern religions change everything.

Your information is wrong.


The Tanach has been around since the time of Moses. There was more than one copy.

 

[Prophet]

I thought you meant that you used your mirror.

I am starting to understand why you think all Jews are as stupid as you.

 

[CMike]

I am starting to understand why you think all Jews are as stupid as you.

Your "title" explains it all. "Extremely Stoned Being". It shows.

 

[Prophet]

Your "title" explains it all. "Extremely Stoned Being". It shows.

I've exposed and obliterated every single bigoted argument you put up here with half my brain tied behind my back, stoned out of my mind. What does this say for the quality of your arguments?

 

[CMike]

I've exposed and obliterated every single bigoted argument you put up here with half my brain tied behind my back, stoned out of my mind. What does this say for the quality of your arguments?

That you are still extremely stoned

 

[Prophet]

I won't deny it. But me being stoned doesn't make you not retarded.

 

[Desert Snake]

Dear friends, I have studied the writings of the prophets, and I found several quotes that make me think what happened to God's Law.


The writings of the prophets tell us that God's law was changed.


The prophets tell us that the scribes had changed the God's Law

The Mosaic covenant and law were given by God, but after the years and centuries, the prophets tell us that the scribes changed the law of God. So tell us the prophets:

"... My people know not the judgment of Yahweh. How do ye say, We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us? Certainly has changed into a lie the lying pen of the scribes" (Jeremiah 8: 7-9).

"Woe to those who give wicked laws and scribes who write tyrannical prescriptions to set aside the poor and violate the rights of the underdog of my people, to rob widows and orphans" (Isaiah 10.1 -2)

"And the land is defiled under its inhabitants, because they have transgressed the laws, changed the commandments, broken the everlasting covenant" (Isaiah 24: 5-6).

"He says, therefore, the Lord: Because this people draw near me with their mouth, and honor me with their lips, but their heart is far from Me, and their fear of me is a commandment of men which have been taught" (Isaiah 29.13).

And Jesus Christ, remembering the words of the prophet Isaiah, also told the scribes and Pharisees who were teaching the commandments of men:

"Hypocrites, well did Isaiah prophesy of you, saying,
This people honors me with their lips;
But their heart is far from me.
But in vain they do worship me,
Teaching for doctrines commandments of men" (Matthew 15.7-9

Dear friends, this is what happened, what the prophets tell us: The God's law was changed by the scribes. The Old Testament's law is different to the commandments of Jesus Christ.

Pretty much.

 

[CMike]

I won't deny it. But me being stoned doesn't make you not retarded.

I believe you being extremely drugged up is causing these delusions.

 

[Muffled]

Ignoring the issue doesn't make it go away. Christians have a history of antisemitism, and it is because they interpret Judaism through Paul who never attempts to teach Judaism rather assuming that you will be educated already on the basics.

Paul's education cannot make you educated. Paul ran his race but not yours. His spiritual fruit is not yours but his. He says as much, and to refuse to study is to choose ignorance which is darkness.

We are still urged to read and study the law of Moses, both those of us who are believing and those of us who are just pretending to believe. We are a mix of those two things, believers and unbelievers. All are urged to drink the milk of the word, and there are plain warnings about this. Choose life or choose death. Be hot or be cold. Love God or don't. "Be filled with the Spirit" is an imperative sentence, not a passive one.

I do not consider that to be the "Extremes of puritanism and hedonism" to which I was referring. I'm talking about the excision of other Christians from fellowship and judgemental attitude that the Puritans were famous for. I have encountered this plenty among Christians, because it is a natural impulse. If the person is unhealthy or in some way defective they are cut off like a diseased limb, and any moderation is considered to be equal to corruption. For example a church may believe that if you die with alcohol upon your breath that all of your previous life was empty or that you will go to hell. If you are divorced there is no hope for you. If you...[fill in the blank]...then 'Racca'. Study of the law should soften this like oil softens a wound.

I believe Christians have had a history of anti-semitism but not because of Christianity or the teachings of Paul. Jews were viewed as a cursed people and as infidels. I have to agree that denying God is not going to make Him happy and living under God's wrath can't be pleasant. However I believe the scriptures teach love for all people and actions that are unloving don't come from Jesus.

I believe there are those who seek knowledge but never come to the truth. Being filled with the spirit focuses one on that which is important rather than being bored with genealogies and laws.

I believe that is understandable since the Puritans thought their way was pure and everybody elses wasn't. I believe that comes under the heading of thinking too highly of oneself which Paul advises us to avoid.

I believe churches do many things they shouldn't do but a person who refuses to repent sin is not in fellowship with those who do. For instance one church I attended had an alcoholic who definitely saw alcoholism as a sin and was accepted in fellowship but I met a person on the street who had no desire to leave his alcohol and that person would not be accepted into fellowship.

I believe all too often a study of the law leads to legalism which does not soften but makes harsher.

 

[Muffled]

I have never once in my life heard a Muslim claim to be a Christian, although I have, on many occasions, heard Muslims speak highly of Jesus Christ. That's not the same thing at all. Start a thread in the Islamic DIR asking, "Are Muslims Christians?" and see what kinds of responses you get.

I believe you would be surprised about how many people think a belief in jesus makes them a Christian.

 

[Porque77]

Your information is wrong.

The Tanach has been around since the time of Moses. There was more than one copy.

Originally Posted by Porque77 That's what you say, but the Biblical story of the best translators say that the books of the Hebrew canon are from the Middle Ages, and all copied from Christians books.

Jewish books were destroyed by the Romans in the destruction of the temple in the year seventy after Christ.

But of course, now modern religions change everything.

CMike, you must know there isn't Hebrew texts more old than Greek texts. The Hebrew texts are only translations from Greek texts. And you can know it by a variety of source, by numerous scriptural scholars.

And the Hebrew texts are often bad translations of Greek texts, translated so as not to discover that Jesus Christ is God who became man.

The oldest texts we have are Greek texts. And know it all the scholars of the escrituas.