The prophets tell us that THE SCRIBES HAD CHANGED THE GOD'S LAW

[Muffled]

I think I'm going to take that as a compliment.

I have heard of a cult in Boston that practiced love bombing to get people into their group. I do believe real love is what every Christian should have so it doesn't suprise me if I find it where it should be.

 

[metis]

And the Hebrew texts are often bad translations of Greek texts, translated so as not to discover that Jesus Christ is God who became man.[/B][/SIZE]

The oldest texts we have are the Dead Sea Scrolls, and only a fraction of those texts are from the Greek. Most of them in Greek form the Apocryphal and Pseudepigrapha books that are not part of our canon and are excluded from most of Christian Bibles. See: Septuagint - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Brickjectivity]

Thanks for sharing your opinion Muffled. You have disagreed with me on most points, but that is to be expected. We don't share many ideas in common, and I represent a much more sceptical view of the church today. I think that the bad things that have happened in Jesus name did happen in his name, and you cannot separate yourself from other Christians. One of the mysteries Paul teaches is that Christ is a body of people and the sins of one afflict the rest. It is irresponsible to simply dissociate from the bad actions of a member while at the same time claiming responsibility for all of the good acts of the martyrs and the prophets and all of the good Christians like Mother Teresa. If you have kinship to the martyrs you also have kinship to the crusaders. If Christ is a body at all then all members share responsibility, not just joy. The Puritans are responsible for the mistaken killing and conviction of women accused of witchcraft in Salem, and to associate with their good deeds and claim kinship to them is to assume responsibility also for their wrongdoings. It includes the responsibility for repairing the root causes that caused them to judge people so harshly for example, not just to say that "I am not responsible for that as it is not something I would do."

 

[Prophet]

I believe you being extremely drugged up is causing these delusions.

Yet, like every other one of your beliefs, you have no ability to support this. Meanwhile, I make a very convincing case that your primary prophet is a trickster and you are a rube. You refuse to address the apparent deception written in your own "Word of God", and when I press this, you think that the best course of action is to insult me for smoking weed, but you really just insult yourself as the person whose every moronic argument is effortlessly dispatched by a pothead.

 

[Prophet]

The canonized gospels shield Rome from responsibility for Jesus' crucifixion, placing blame squarely on the Jews. Remember the Jewish uproar when Mel Gibson released the torture porn, Passion of the Christ, based upon the canonized gospels?

I don't see how anti-Semitism present in the NT can be placed on Paul's shoulders alone. I believe "morta christo" is still a popular derogatory term for Jews in Italy. It means "Christ killer".

 

[CMike]

CMike, you must know there isn't Hebrew texts more old than Greek texts. The Hebrew texts are only translations from Greek texts. And you can know it by a variety of source, by numerous scriptural scholars.

And the Hebrew texts are often bad translations of Greek texts, translated so as not to discover that Jesus Christ is God who became man.

The oldest texts we have are Greek texts. And know it all the scholars of the escrituas.

It's hard to imagine how you come up with such ridiculous statements.

There was the Tanach, the greeks or whomever translated it, often mistranslating words.

The Torah is the same Torah that Moses gave the jewish people.

 

[CMike]

Yet, like every other one of your beliefs, you have no ability to support this. Meanwhile, I make a very convincing case that your primary prophet is a trickster and you are a rube. You refuse to address the apparent deception written in your own "Word of God", and when I press this, you think that the best course of action is to insult me for smoking weed, but you really just insult yourself as the person whose every moronic argument is effortlessly dispatched by a pothead.

You make no convincing cases other than what you say in your title.

 

[CMike]

I believe all too often a study of the law leads to legalism which does not soften but makes harsher.

What?

Am I in Alice in Wonderland?

 

[metis]

I believe all too often a study of the law leads to legalism which does not soften but makes harsher.

Laws are passed generally to prevent problems and to generate improvements in society, not the reverse. The Torah says that the Law is "forever" and "perpetual" and from God, so how is studying it supposedly to make us harsher?

 

[CMike]

The purpose of jewish law is to get closer to G-D.

 

[metis]

Am I in Alice in Wonderland?

I've often wondered that same thing myself.

 

[Brickjectivity]

I enjoy some of the quotes from that book. You can barely tell what is meant by some of the sentences: "Be what you would seem to be."

 

[Porque77]

The oldest texts we have are the Dead Sea Scrolls, and only a fraction of those texts are from the Greek. Most of them in Greek form the Apocryphal and Pseudepigrapha books that are not part of our canon and are excluded from most of Christian Bibles.

Hello metis. We were just talking about Greek and Hebrew texts. I meant that the Greek texts are older than the Hebrew texts.

 

[Prophet]

Laws are passed generally to prevent problems and to generate improvements in society, not the reverse. The Torah says that the Law is "forever" and "perpetual" and from God, so how is studying it supposedly to make us harsher?

A case in point: CMike is mindlessly devoted to Mosaic Law, and praises genocide where God is falsely claimed by Moses to command it. CMike also believes that God executes homosexuals.

Mosaic Law paints God as a monster on many occasions, giving its followers open license to be the same.

 

[CMike]

A case in point: CMike is mindlessly devoted to Mosaic Law, and praises genocide where God is falsely claimed by Moses to command it. CMike also believes that God executes homosexuals.

Mosaic Law paints God as a monster on many occasions, giving its followers open license to be the same.

The drugs again? You are putting words in my mouth.

Let me know when you are unstoned please.

 

[Porque77]

Originally Posted by Porque77 CMike, you must know there isn't Hebrew texts more old than Greek texts. The Hebrew texts are only translations from Greek texts. And you can know it by a variety of source, by numerous scriptural scholars.

And the Hebrew texts are often bad translations of Greek texts, translated so as not to discover that Jesus Christ is God who became man.

The oldest texts we have are Greek texts. And know it all the scholars of the escrituas.

It's hard to imagine how you come up with such ridiculous statements.

What I say aren't statements ridiculous. If you study what scholars of the scriptures say, you will see that the oldest writings we have of Old Testament and New Testament are the Greek texts and not the Hebrew texts.

There was the Tanach, the greeks or whomever translated it, often mistranslating words.

The Hebrew texts were translated from the Greek text, because when the Jews did the translation, there wasn't Hebrew texts. The Hebrew texts were destroyed in AD 70 in the destruction of the temple.

Either way, the Hebrew text and the Greek text of the Old Testament has always been the same. If currently there are changes, is because many groups called "Messianic Jews" have translated the text and many words have changed.

The world is going from bad to worse, and religions also. After having known the Gospel of Jesus Christ, the men came back to the law of the Old Testament which had been abolished by Jesus Christ.

Jesus Christ is God made ​​man and He brought us the true Law of God and abolished many commandments of the Old Testament because they were not the true law of God, only were precepts of men.

The Torah is the same Torah that Moses gave the jewish people.

The prophets do not agree with you, for they say that God's law was changed by the scribes. The prophets say so:

"...but my people know not the ordinance of the LORD. "How can you say, 'We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us'? But, behold, the false pen of the scribes has made it into a lie". (Jeremiah 8:7-8)

"Woe to those who give wicked laws and scribes who write tyrannical prescriptions to set aside the poor and violate the rights of the underdog of my people, to rob widows and orphans" (Isaiah 10.1 -2)

"And the land is defiled under its inhabitants, because they have transgressed the laws, changed the commandments, broken the everlasting covenant" (Isaiah 24: 5-6).

And Jesus Christ, remembering the words of the prophet Isaiah, also told the scribes and Pharisees who were teaching the commandments of men:

"Hypocrites, well did Isaiah prophesy of you, saying,
This people honors me with their lips;
But their heart is far from me.
But in vain they do worship me,
Teaching for doctrines commandments of men" (Matthew 15.7-9

Dear friends, this is what happened, what the prophets tell us: The God's law was changed by the scribes. For this reason, the Old Testament's law is different to the commandments of Jesus Christ.

 

[metis]

Hello metis. We were just talking about Greek and Hebrew texts. I meant that the Greek texts are older than the Hebrew texts.

As I posted a link to you, it is not. Please read it before responding.

 

[metis]

A case in point: CMike is mindlessly devoted to Mosaic Law, and praises genocide where God is falsely claimed by Moses to command it. CMike also believes that God executes homosexuals.

Mosaic Law paints God as a monster on many occasions, giving its followers open license to be the same.

Here's the Law: Judaism 101: A List of the 613 Mitzvot (Commandments)

As you'll see, it does not allow for us to commit genocide or kill homosexuals, and a belief that God does as such is from a literalistic interpretation of scripture. For all practical purposes, we are more people of the Talmud. IOW, much has been written since the Pentateuch.

 

[CMike]

What I say aren't statements ridiculous. If you study what scholars of the scriptures say, you will see that the oldest writings we have of Old Testament and New Testament are the Greek texts and not the Hebrew texts.

The Hebrew texts were translated from the Greek text, because when the Jews did the translation, there wasn't Hebrew texts. The Hebrew texts were destroyed in AD 70 in the destruction of the temple.

Either way, the Hebrew text and the Greek text of the Old Testament has always been the same. If currently there are changes, is because many groups called "Messianic Jews" have translated the text and many words have changed.

The world is going from bad to worse, and religions also. After having known the Gospel of Jesus Christ, the men came back to the law of the Old Testament which had been abolished by Jesus Christ.

Jesus Christ is God made ​​man and He brought us the true Law of God and abolished many commandments of the Old Testament because they were not the true law of God, only were precepts of men.

The prophets do not agree with you, for they say that God's law was changed by the scribes. The prophets say so:

"...but my people know not the ordinance of the LORD. "How can you say, 'We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us'? But, behold, the false pen of the scribes has made it into a lie". (Jeremiah 8:7-8)

"Woe to those who give wicked laws and scribes who write tyrannical prescriptions to set aside the poor and violate the rights of the underdog of my people, to rob widows and orphans" (Isaiah 10.1 -2)

"And the land is defiled under its inhabitants, because they have transgressed the laws, changed the commandments, broken the everlasting covenant" (Isaiah 24: 5-6).

And Jesus Christ, remembering the words of the prophet Isaiah, also told the scribes and Pharisees who were teaching the commandments of men:

"Hypocrites, well did Isaiah prophesy of you, saying,
This people honors me with their lips;
But their heart is far from me.
But in vain they do worship me,
Teaching for doctrines commandments of men" (Matthew 15.7-9

Dear friends, this is what happened, what the prophets tell us: The God's law was changed by the scribes. For this reason, the Old Testament's law is different to the commandments of Jesus Christ.

Maybe the oldest texts for Christians was Greek.

For jews it was the Hebrew text that started at the time of Moses.

The five books of Moses come from G-D.

The prophet warns about scribes that may and try to change the text.

Christians come to mind.

However, the five books of Moses can not be changed.

Also it's rather ridiculous that you use a Hebrew prophet to try and say not to believe Hebrew texts.

What jesus said or didn't say is totally irrelevant to jews.

The laws in the Torah were from G-D.

Jesus was just a person.

 

[Prophet]

The drugs again? You are putting words in my mouth.

Let me know when you are unstoned please.

You clearly say genocide can be sponsored by God in post #596 of this thread.

However, there were some nations such as Amalek that were so evil that they were destroyed as commanded by G-D.

You did not answer when I asked about the atrocities committed by Amalekite infants that warranted their massacre.

You also add that God executes homosexuals in post #606:

Yup, G-D made the decision several times.

Have you hear of Sodom and Gemorah, and the flood during Noah.

Sometimes evil people had to go based on what G-D dictated.

Where exactly am I putting words into your mouth?