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The prophets tell us that THE SCRIBES HAD CHANGED THE GOD'S LAW

Tali018

Tali018

Member
Scimitar said:
:) in time Tali :)

I just want to know one thing - you took the comment of one Becca Schooler whom is a nobody to claim these are fake quotes?

Are you exercising your right to lie to a goyim?

As for Acahrya S - that wiki had no item on judaism, jews, or talmud at all.... trying to trick me now?

Please do explain the contexts tali

Scimitar
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Actually I found older versions of the quotes and updated the page.

Goyim in current vernacular is used by European Ultra Orthodox Jews for any one who is not Jewish. Its actually a Torah term which means Nations. If you go to Genesis 10:5 you will see it in its correct form and usage.
Genesis 10 / Hebrew - English Bible / Mechon-Mamre

Since I am not a European Jew (Ashkenazi), I find its current usage as derogatory. I am a Mizrahi Jew who's lineage is of the Levant. Thus I have numerous non-blood cousins (that I mix with) who are Muslims. I spend more than half the year in Dubai .
 
Tali018

Tali018

Member
As to Becca Schooler, no. There is page after page listing these quotes and not one to actually connect any of them to an actual book. So I replaced the link with another when I found one that was older. Think about it, I gave you a response in around 30 minutes.

The biggest problem we as Jews have are the Ultra Orthodox European Jews who make up a small percentage of the Jewish population yet are seen as representative of all Jews. Muslims have a similar problem with extremist fundamentalist Muslims who make up a small percentage of Muslims yet make it seem as all Muslims are terrorists.

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Scimitar

Scimitar

Eschatologist
Now we're talking...

does this call for a new thread?

Scimi

EDIT: Tali, it's 3:10 am here and I've stayed up too late. Got a meeting in the morning and must get up in a few hours to pray so I better get some sleep.

Hey Tali, you touched on a point in your last post which I really want to discuss (not debate) with you, on friendly terms, in sha Allah. Namely that the Jews also suffer the same innovations as Muslims have... and ofcourse, let's not forget our cousins in faith, the Christians, whom have suffered the worst since their holy book has more versions and revisions than any book I know to date.

A reconciliation is needed here, amongst all three faith groups, in order to better our understanding of how these things happened, and why they may continue to do so - and what we can do, on an individual (and maybe collective) basis to tackle it.

Scimitar
 
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Scimitar

Scimitar

Eschatologist
Namely this:

Tali said:
The biggest problem we as Jews have are the Ultra Orthodox European Jews who make up a small percentage of the Jewish population yet are seen as representative of all Jews. Muslims have a similar problem with extremist fundamentalist Muslims who make up a small percentage of Muslims yet make it seem as all Muslims are terrorists.
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We'll catch up same time tomorrow in sha Allah.

Take care Tali :) God bless
 
Tali018

Tali018

Member
Scimitar said:
A reconciliation is needed here, amongst all three faith groups, in order to better our understanding of how these things happened, and why they may continue to do so - and what we can do, on an individual (and maybe collective) basis to tackle it.

Scimitar
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That may not be possible. Here's another suggested reading:


Christian Mission to Muslims: The Record

Christian Mission to Muslims: The Record : Anglican and Reformed Approaches ... - Lyle L. Vander Werff - Google Books
 
Muffled

Muffled

Jesus in me
Brickjectivity said:
The things that people do define the Christian experience or the Christian reality. What you are calling 'The Christian faith' is a member of that Christian experience and is denigrated by evil actions. It doesn't just walk away squeaky clean. What you do affects its reputation. What other Christians do, it reflects upon you. What the martyrs did also reflects upon you by the same token. Its like a big famous family, just like the Corleone or the Kennedy family. Not only that but if other Christians are doing bad things, do you really think that you and they are not both affected? If they are obviously weak it reveals a hidden weakness in you.
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I don't believe that and don't see how one can prove it. For instance if a person who claims to be Christian steals, it is not because Christianity defines stealing as good but because the person does not really have Jesus as Lord. Jesus will not allow me to steal.

I believe your reasoning is flawed because faith precedes experience and therefore can't be a member of it. A Christian faith will produce a Christian experience but not all things called Christian are truly Christian.

I certainly believe those who have not lived by the Christian faith and have done evil give Christianity a bad image but I believe a person so easily fooled by counterfeits deserve to have false ideas about Christianty.

I believe we are weak as are all people but we live by the grace of God. If another man enters into sin because he was not able to receive that grace, it is not a reflection on whether I am able to receive that grace. Grace is a free gift and anyone can have it.
 
Muffled

Muffled

Jesus in me
CMike said:
Your kidding?

The Christian bible is filled with hate.

It also about worshipping a false god also know as idol worship.

The Jewish bible is filled with love and ethics.
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I beieve the opposite is true, that it is Judaism that has the idol and false image of God since it doesn't recognize God in Jesus.
 
CMike

CMike

Well-Known Member
Muffled said:
I beieve the opposite is true, that it is Judaism that has the idol and false image of God since it doesn't recognize God in Jesus.
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Jews are just doing what they are supposed to do which is to not worship false gods.

G-D doesn't have physical manifestations.

So if you are worshipping a person with physical manifestations you are worshipping a false god.
 
Scimitar

Scimitar

Eschatologist
One and the same. Like I said, it was the initiative started by the King of Jordan.

When you examine the ACW site, you will find that it was the Amman Message which kickstarted the ACW initiative.

Scimitar
 
Porque77

Porque77

The Gospel is God's Law
CMike said:
Your kidding?

The Christian bible is filled with hate.

It also about worshipping a false god also know as idol worship.

The Jewish bible is filled with love and ethics.
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That's what you say but I do not think so ...
in my Bible are the laws of the Old Testament and the law of the Gospel ... and I see that the two laws are very different

My only law is the law of the Gospel ... The laws of the Old Testament can not be compared with the law of the Gospel ... because the commandments of the Gospel are all merciful.

 
Porque77

Porque77

The Gospel is God's Law
Scimitar said:
One and the same. Like I said, it was the initiative started by the King of Jordan.

When you examine the ACW site, you will find that it was the Amman Message which kickstarted the ACW initiative.

Scimitar
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I do not understand well what you say ...

Can you explain with more clear words ... Thanks?.

:help:.

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Porque77

Porque77

The Gospel is God's Law
Tali018 said:
But how does that differ from this:

The Official Website of The Amman Message - The Amman Message
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This page talks about charity, justice and peace. But forget the Islamic laws that command kill women stoning them and hanging people by other faults.

Christians can never receive those cruel laws, because those laws Judaizing of the Islam are contrary to the commandments of the Gospel of mercy.

The Gospel is the only true Law of God that leads us down the path of love, mercy and forgiveness.
 
Tali018

Tali018

Member
Porque77 said:
I do not understand well what you say ...

Can you explain with more clear words ... Thanks?.

:help:.

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You need to simply read the links. If after reading the links, if you have questions then they would be answered in accordance. Sorry but IMHO we are not cliff notes.

Have a Blessed Day
 
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Tali018

Tali018

Member
Porque77 said:
The Gospel is the only true Law of God that leads us down the path of love, mercy and forgiveness.
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You are reading the Gospels in their current form and not the form as they were written 1000's of years ago. They have have been highly edited and also why there are only four that make up the Gospels. Keep in mind the Christianity of today is very different to the Christianity before the Greeks translated them and reinterpretaed them. Use your computer as a tool to understand the history of your religion instead of blindly following the current version now. FWIW there are now over 50 different translations just in English alone. So I would advise to read older versions of the NT that are much closer to the Greek or Latin versions.

Have a Blessed Day.
 
CMike

CMike

Well-Known Member
Porque77 said:
That's what you say but I do not think so ...
in my Bible are the laws of the Old Testament and the law of the Gospel ... and I see that the two laws are very different

My only law is the law of the Gospel ... The laws of the Old Testament can not be compared with the law of the Gospel ... because the commandments of the Gospel are all merciful.
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Jewish experienced this mercy from the church by hundreds of thousands of jews that were tortured and murdered in the name of jesus.

Look up:

Spanish inquisition
Black plague
Pogroms
 
CMike

CMike

Well-Known Member
Porque77 said:
That's what you say but I do not think so ...
in my Bible are the laws of the Old Testament and the law of the Gospel ... and I see that the two laws are very different

My only law is the law of the Gospel ... The laws of the Old Testament can not be compared with the law of the Gospel ... because the commandments of the Gospel are all merciful.
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I do agree that the laws from the Torah can not be compared by the laws of the Christian bible.

The Torah laws come from G-D.

The Christian bible laws (If there are any) come from people.
 
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