The prophets tell us that THE SCRIBES HAD CHANGED THE GOD'S LAW

[Porque77]

You are reading the Gospels in their current form and not the form as they were written 1000's of years ago. They have have been highly edited and also why there are only four that make up the Gospels. Keep in mind the Christianity of today is very different to the Christianity before the Greeks translated them and reinterpretaed them. Use your computer as a tool to understand the history of your religion instead of blindly following the current version now. FWIW there are now over 50 different translations just in English alone. So I would advise to read older versions of the NT that are much closer to the Greek or Latin versions.

There is no more ancient writings of the Gospels that ancient Greek and Latin texts. The Gospel written by Messianic Jews are translations made in recent times. And is that in these last times many false prophets would appear, as Scripture tells us. The scripture tells us so:

"And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. For many shall come using my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many". (Matthew 24:4-5).

 

[Brickjectivity]

Modern translations of the gospels aren't by Jews, no one that I know of claims to be 'Christ', and deceit has been everywhere for thousands of years. Deceit isn't new but continual.

 

[Tali018]

There is no more ancient writings of the Gospels that ancient Greek and Latin texts. The Gospel written by Messianic Jews are translations made in recent times. And is that in these last times many false prophets would appear, as Scripture tells us. The scripture tells us so:

"And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. For many shall come using my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many". (Matthew 24:4-5).

Then you need to go further back to the time of Papias of Hierapolis and read the writings of that time period.

 

[Tali018]

Namely this:



We'll catch up same time tomorrow in sha Allah.

Take care Tali God bless

A simple salam will do. I lose you somewhere in this maze of posts? We're closer in time zones now as I'm now Turkey.

 

[Scimitar]

My Apologies, Salaam bro Tali

I hope you don't lose me in this maze,

I was looking at your info at the top of the page and realised you've been a member since Jul 2012 but since have only managed to rack up 42 posts?

What took you so long? I'm genuinely curious.

 

[Tali018]

My Apologies, Salaam bro Tali

I hope you don't lose me in this maze,

I was looking at your info at the top of the page and realised you've been a member since Jul 2012 but since have only managed to rack up 42 posts?

What took you so long? I'm genuinely curious.

The owner of this forum, Advameg, has other forums too. So a few of us came over looked around didn't find much discussion and left over time. Here's the other board:

City-Data.com Forum: Relocation, Moving, General and Local City Discussions

I came and left nearly immediately in 2012. I came back again a few weeks ago and within a few posts I was argueing with you. But since I'm used to this type of conversation in the Middle East it didn't scare me off. And look now, we're talking as friends.

But keep in mind, if you do go over to the other board they are Americans and are extremly strict on arguements and many other things compared to this board (basically the way you were in the beginning here with me would be deleted there). But there 1000s of people there yet only a few hundred here.

Go over, walk around, look around and DM me if you have any questions as the culture there is extremely different.

T

fyi
Here is where I am now resting until my next flight
http://www.emirates.com/english/about/news/news_detail.aspx?article=874831

 

[Scimitar]

Ah that explains it

To be honest, I spend too much time here on forums as it is, and I don't think it's wise of me to join another - too many commitments in real life.

On top of that, there are project which i'm working on that need more dedication by me. Namely special effects video editing and things like that. As well as taking care of business (app development for businesses).

Even now, I procrastinate lol. Ok, back to work.

Catch you soon Tali

 

[Tali018]

Ah that explains it

To be honest, I spend too much time here on forums as it is, and I don't think it's wise of me to join another - too many commitments in real life.

On top of that, there are project which i'm working on that need more dedication by me. Namely special effects video editing and things like that. As well as taking care of business (app development for businesses).

Even now, I procrastinate lol. Ok, back to work.

Catch you soon Tali

I have the same issues. I'm a Oracle DBA, a CS6 designer and a robotics (computer related) engineer. I'm a contractor for all (hence all my flying which my customers pay for). In our business, the more areas of IT that you can cover the more business you can garnish. I use these boards as mental diversions from my daily grind. I really hate going to sleep and programming in my dreams. I don't porcrastinate too much, since in my home office I have multiple i7 computers and a good hardwood floor to roll from screen to screen on my chair. I kill about one chair a year and a new is waiting for me to get home and build. Good thing Emirates has wifi while flying. I think we just flew over Ireland so this is where the wifi gets week over the atlantic and speed drops down to about 15/2 and thus I switch over a ipad since it does not use Java. Have a good lunch.

T

 

[metis]

Then you [Porque] need to go further back to the time of Papias of Hierapolis and read the writings of that time period.

Absolutely. To me, if there's doubt as to how to interpret whatever, take a look at how it affected what others came to believe or did right after word. The early church simply had much difficulty selecting the canon, plus there was criticism of many of the books that are now a part of that canon. Papias, for example, said that what's found in the gospel of Mark was at times both misleading and incomplete, although I can't remember the specifics since it's been over 30 years since I read what he wrote.

 

[Porque77]

True Revealed Scripture, which has withstood the test of time, The Quran, wins more converts to Islam than any religion in the world, the fastest growing religion in the world despite the media storm on Islam and Muslims in general - proves that TRUTH PREVAILS.

It is written that the false religions would drag the peoples of the world to worship laws of death and slavery, and the true religion of Jesus Christ, which preaches love and mercy, would be persecuted in every nation.

 

[Porque77]

Jewish experienced this mercy from the church by hundreds of thousands of jews that were tortured and murdered in the name of jesus.

Those religions of the Middle Ages imposed inquisitions to persecute Jews, and also persecuted many true Christians.

Those religions of the Inquisition were not Christians. Were Judaizers who followed the laws of the Old Testament who commanded the death penalty, war and genocide. True Christians do not do such things.

True Christians were only following the merciful commandments of the Gospel of peace and love. And these things were very persecuted by Jews, by Muslims and false religions called "Christian".

 

[CMike]

Those religions of the Middle Ages imposed inquisitions to persecute Jews, and also persecuted many true Christians.

Those religions of the Inquisition were not Christians. Were Judaizers who followed the laws of the Old Testament who commanded the death penalty, war and genocide. True Christians do not do such things.

True Christians were only following the merciful commandments of the Gospel of peace and love. And these things were very persecuted by Jews, by Muslims and false religions called "Christian".

The christians whom mass murdered hundreds of thousands of Jews were just following what jesus told them to do.



Matthew 10:34

King James Version (KJV)

34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.

And let us not forget. Luke 19

27"But these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and slay them in my presence."

 

[CMike]

It is written that the false religions would drag the peoples of the world to worship laws of death and slavery, and the true religion of Jesus Christ, which preaches love and mercy, would be persecuted in every nation.

Well I do agree about false religions dragging down people.

How many hundreds of thousands of christians murdered jews in the name of jews? Hundreds of thousands in the last thousand years.

How many jews murdered christians because they were christians in the last 1,000 years?

A negligible amount if any. That is the true test.

 

[Robert.Evans]

He lied.

There is only one G-D, and it's certaintly not jesus.

Wow! what a thing to say; where is your proof that he lied? it was the Jews who did not recognise him in the first place and then look for excuses in the second

 

[metis]

it was the Jews who did not recognise him in the first place and then look for excuses in the second

Maybe you can clarify this?

 

[Robert.Evans]

Jesus said the Law of Moses was binding for all time.

no he did not

 

[Robert.Evans]

Obviously the Fictitious Christian Bible had a lot of hatred and made up stories about jews.

You mean the Jews who missed the Mashiyach because of their hatred.

The reason for that is that the jews didn't buy what jesus was selling. Jesus was a false prophet to the jews.

Nicely put. Yahshuah was a "false prophet to the Jews"; not to all though, some did not have "stiff necks" some had "eyes to see".

 

[Robert.Evans]

Deuteronomy - Chapter 13 (Parshah Re'eh) - Tanakh Online - Torah - Bible

From Dvarim 13

1. Everything I command you that you shall be careful to do it. You shall neither add to it, nor subtract from it.

Therefore, anything jesus said to contradict G-D's words from the Torah was false, and a challenge to G-D, the real G-D.

What is with the type and colour?
You fear misusing his name, so you put a - in the word God? Yet you then reject the very One who you are concerned about offending in the first. place.

 

[Porque77]

The christians whom mass murdered hundreds of thousands of Jews were just following what jesus told them to do.

Matthew 10:34

King James Version (KJV)

34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.

This teaching of the Gospel does not mean that Jesus send men to make war against each other. It means that the teaching of Jesus Christ would not be loved by all, and many would be against those who follow the way of the Gospel.

And let us not forget. Luke 19

27"But these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and slay them in my presence."

And this other teaching already have been explained to you, but you ignore the explanation that was given to you:

This teaching is for the kingdom of heaven. God is the King, and his servants, the angels will kill all demons.

But you don't may apply that law in this world of men, because the commandments that men should obey also were taught by Jesus Christ:

"Then Peter came and said: Lord, how many times shall I forgive my brother when he sins against me? Till seven? Jesus said: I tell you, not seven times, but seventy times seven." (Matthew 18: 21-22)

"If you had known what this means, I want mercy and not sacrifice, you wouldn’t have condemned the innocent" (Matthew 12: 7)

The commandment of Jesus Christ for the men is this:

"And Jesus said, Thou shalt not kill" (Matthew 19)

You are wrong, because the true God's Torah is the Torah of the Gospel. And the Gospel tells the men must preach to all peoples of the world, and that those who believe will be saved:

"Go into all the world and preach the gospel to the whole creation. He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned". (Mark 16:15-16)

 

[Porque77]

Well I do agree about false religions dragging down people.

How many hundreds of thousands of christians murdered jews in the name of jews? Hundreds of thousands in the last thousand years.

How many jews murdered christians because they were christians in the last 1,000 years?

A negligible amount if any. That is the true test.

True Christians do not murdered any man, for Christ's commandments command them not to hurt or kill anyone.

Those who murdered other men using the name of Jesus were not true Christians.

The Gospel is against wars, death sentences, tortures, sacrifices and slavery. And true Christians do not practice those things. The men who practiced these things were based on the laws of the Old Testament, because the Old Testament commanded all those things.

Even, the Commandments on the so-called "Decalogue" of the Old Testament are not equal to the commandments that Jesus teaches us in the Gospel. Jesus Christ in the Gospel reveals the true commandments God gave to Moses. The Gospel tells us so:

"if thou wouldest enter into life, keep the commandments. He saith unto him, Which? And Jesus said, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Honor thy father and mother; and, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. The young man saith unto him, All these things have I observed: what lack I yet? Jesus said unto him, If thou wouldest be perfect, go, sell that which thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me. But when the young man heard the saying, he went away sorrowful; for he was one that had great possessions" (Matthew 19: 16-22

These are the true commandments of God, and not what are written in the Old Testament, because in the Old Testament there are commandments that allow men be owners of other men and have them as slaves, and slavery is totally contrary to the commandments of Jesus Christ.

The commandments written in the Old Testament that are contrary to the teachings of the Gospel, are not true Law of God, for Jesus Christ is God who became man, and He taught us in the Gospel the true Law given by God to men from always and forever.