The prophets tell us that THE SCRIBES HAD CHANGED THE GOD'S LAW

[CMike]

That you say that God can not..., is completly wrong, because God can do everything.

That no one can see God were things of the Old Testament, but when Jesus was born in Bethlehem, the men saw God because Jesus Christ was God made ​​Man.

So you do not have any evidence to deny that Jesus is God.

Jesus said that He was the Way, the Truth and the Life, and the Way, the Truth and the Life is God.

Jesus Christ is God, and the Law of the Gospel is the only true law of God. The proof that the Gospel is the Word of God is that all his teaching gives us love and mercy.

1. The Torah states that G-d cannot not take any form.:

"You will not be able to see My face, for no human can see my face and live" (Exodus 33:18-20)

"You did not see any form on the day G-d spoke to you at Horeb from the midst of fire" (Deuteronomy 4:15)

As little as we may know about G-d's nature, Judaism has always believed that G-d is Incorporeal, meaning that He assumes no physical form. G-d is Eternal, He is Infinite; above time and beyond space. He cannot be born, and cannot die.

 

[CMike]

And you seriously think that this is here on earth? This is above not below. how can the Temple stay "forever" (not that the Text means that) if science tells us that the Earth will eventually end

Of course the prophesies are for here on earth. Does it say otherwise in those passages? No.


G-D said that when the messiach comes the dead will be resurrected and that the temlple will be rebuilt and stand forever.

G-D can bypass whatever "science" theorizes.

 

[CMike]

Yes, but he is in a higher level; he did not come through the lower levels of corruption as we did

Speak for yourself.

I was created in the image of G-D with G-D's spirtuality.

 

[CMike]

The G-D of the jews can and only will be the G-D known to Abraham, Issac, and Jacob.

Any additional gods or ones that claim to be a part of the actual god are false gods.

Hear O Israel, the L-rd is our G-D, the L-ord is ONE (Deut)

I am the Lord, and there is no other; apart from Me there is no God. ...so that from the rising of the Sun to the place of its setting men may know there is none besides Me. I am the Lord, and there is no other. (Isaiah, 45:5-6)

...I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like Me. (Isaiah, 46:9)

... so that all the peoples of the Earth may know that the Lord is God and that there is no other. (1 Kings, 8:60)

Turn to Me and be saved, all you ends of the Earth; for I am God, and there is no other. (Isaiah, 45:22)

This is what the Lord says…"Surely God is with you, and there is no other; there is no other God." (Isaiah, 45:14)

...The Lord our God, the Lord is one. (Deuteronomy, 6:4)

You are my witness--the words of Hashem--and My servant, whom I have chosen, so that you will know and believe in Me, and understand that I am He; before me nothing was created by a G-D, and after Me it shall not be (Isaiah 43:10)

... O Lord; no deeds can compare with Yours. All the nations You have made will come and worship before You, O Lord; they will bring glory to Your name. For You are great and do marvelous deeds; You alone are God. (Psalms, 86:8-10)

O Lord ...You alone are God over all the kingdoms of the Earth. You have made heaven and Earth. (Isaiah, 37:16)

... all kingdoms on Earth may know that You alone, O Lord, are God. (Isaiah, 37:20)

This is what the Lord says—your Redeemer, Who formed you in the womb: I am the Lord, Who has made all things, Who alone stretched out the heavens, Who spread out the Earth by Myself. (Isaiah, 44:24)

Since ancient times no one has heard, no ear has perceived, no eye has seen any God besides You, who acts on behalf of those who wait for Him. (Isaiah, 64:4)

For this is what the Lord says—He Who created the heavens, He is God; He Who fashioned and made the Earth, He founded it; He did not create it to be empty, but formed it to be inhabited—He says: "I am the Lord, and there is no other." (Isaiah, 45:18)

...Was it not I, the Lord? And there is no god apart from Me, a righteous God and a Savior; there is none but Me. (Isaiah, 45:21)

See now that I Myself am He! There is no god besides Me. I put to death and I bring to life, I have wounded and I will heal... (Deuteronomy, 32:39)

...you may know there is no one like the Lord our God. (Exodus, 8:10)

O Lord... there is no god like You in heaven above or on Earth below... (1 Kings, 8:23; 2 Chronicles, 6:14)

Then Asa called to the Lord his God and said, "Lord, there is no one like You to help the powerless against the mighty..."(2 Chronicles, 14:11)

I, even I, am the Lord, and apart from Me there is no savior. (Isaiah, 43:11)

There is no one like You, O Lord, and there is no god but You, as we have heard with our own ears. (1 Chronicles, 17:20; 2 Samuel, 7:22)

There is no one holy like the Lord; there is no one besides You; there is no strength like our God. (1 Samuel, 2:2)

His wisdom is profound, His power is vast. Who has resisted Him and come out unscathed. (Job, 9:4)

For You are great and do marvelous deeds; You alone are God. (Psalms, 86:10)

Praise Him for His acts of power; praise Him for His surpassing greatness. (Psalms, 150:2)

You alone are the Lord. You made the heavens, even the highest heavens, and all their starry host, the Earth and all that is on it, the seas and all that is in them. You give life to everything, and the multitudes of heaven worship You. (Nehemiah, 9:6)

They will say of Me, "In the Lord alone are righteousness and strength."... (Isaiah, 45:24)

You were shown these things so that you might know that the Lord is God; besides Him there is no other. (Deuteronomy, 4:35)

... Is there any god besides Me? No, there is no other strong one; I know not one. (Isaiah, 44:8)

This is what the Lord says—I am the first and I am the last; apart from Me there is no god. (Isaiah, 44:6)

 

[Robert.Evans]

Every prophet is the way.

Then you must believe Yahshuah, or do you now say he is not a prophet either?

 

[Robert.Evans]

1. The Torah states that G-d cannot not take any form.:

"You will not be able to see My face, for no human can see my face and live" (Exodus 33:18-20)

"You did not see any form on the day G-d spoke to you at Horeb from the midst of fire" (Deuteronomy 4:15)

As little as we may know about G-d's nature, Judaism has always believed that G-d is Incorporeal, meaning that He assumes no physical form. G-d is Eternal, He is Infinite; above time and beyond space. He cannot be born, and cannot die.

so how then did they see him, his feet, his back, and eat with him?

 

[Robert.Evans]

Of course the prophesies are for here on earth. Does it say otherwise in those passages? No.


G-D said that when the messiach comes the dead will be resurrected and that the temlple will be rebuilt and stand forever.

G-D can bypass whatever "science" theorizes.

and through the Essenes they took place. The temple is built, it is called the Dome on the Rock. Have you not seen it? The OT does not say forever, but rather for something that lasts for aeons (time out of mind)

You can not ignore science. You are using it now.

 

[Sabour]

Then you must believe Yahshuah, or do you now say he is not a prophet either?

That would be Jesus peace be upon him. Yes he was a prophet

 

[Robert.Evans]

That would be Jesus peace be upon him. Yes he was a prophet

Actually though I was answering someone else at first, so it might have come across wrongly, apologies. You are a Muslim then it seems? One thing though, if he is a prophet (though I could ask in what way) then why not believe in what he says...resurrection for example?

 

[Sabour]

Actually though I was answering someone else at first, so it might have come across wrongly, apologies. You are a Muslim then it seems? One thing though, if he is a prophet (though I could ask in what way) then why not believe in what he says...resurrection for example?

No worries friend

Jesus peace be upon him was one of the prophets who shared the message of worshiping God and God alone. He had some miracles which proved that he was a prophet, first of which was his birth.


I don't think our belief, as muslims, of who Jesus peace be upon him is understood by all people. If you have time I hope you watch this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjKWxMHKoUI


About resurrection, what is the Christian belief about it ?

 

[Robert.Evans]

No worries friend

Jesus peace be upon him was one of the prophets who shared the message of worshiping God and God alone. He had some miracles which proved that he was a prophet, first of which was his birth.


I don't think our belief, as muslims, of who Jesus peace be upon him is understood by all people. If you have time I hope you watch this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjKWxMHKoUI


About resurrection, what is the Christian belief about it ?

About the link: I am on pay as you go mobile broadband, so one hour on Youtabe not a good idea. Looked on another site though about Islamic beliefs. It said that Yahshuah was not crucified but someone else in his place and that he was raised up to God. I don't know what that literally means, but it seems to suggest that somehow he was changed and taken into Heaven.

I am not a Christian; though people would call me that.

The resurrection is that Christ died and was raised back to life and then ascended into Heaven. Explaining that fully can get difficult as you can imagine

 

[Sabour]

About the link: I am on pay as you go mobile broadband, so one hour on Youtabe not a good idea. Looked on another site though about Islamic beliefs. It said that Yahshuah was not crucified but someone else in his place and that he was raised up to God. I don't know what that literally means, but it seems to suggest that somehow he was changed and taken into Heaven.

I am not a Christian; though people would call me that.

The resurrection is that Christ died and was raised back to life and then ascended into Heaven. Explaining that fully can get difficult as you can imagine

Well ok I see. If you had an opportunity, I hope you do watch the video.

Let us than talk a bit about Crucifixion from the bible,



The disciples has heard that Jesus peace be upon him was crucified and were not eyewitness

Mark 14:50 And they all forsook him, and fled.

So that the disciples , they had heard that he was DEAD AND BURIED FOR THREE DAYS. If one is confronted by a person with such a reputation then the conclusion is inescapable; they must be seeing A GHOST. Little wonder these ten brave men were petrified."

So now let us look at the verses.

Luke 24 36-37 And as they thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.

37 But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit.


They thought that Jesus peace be upon him was dead and they thought what they were seeing is a spirit. So Jesus peace be upon him wanted to prove to them that this is not the case.

And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts?

39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

40 And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them his hands and his feet.

41 And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat?

42 And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb.

43 And he took it, and did eat before them.



Also

Acts 1:3 o whom also he shewed himself alive after his passion by many infallible proofs, being seen of them forty days, and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God:


Let me also ask you, did you see my comment on the thread:

What does it mean "I never knew you"

 

[CMike]

so how then did they see him, his feet, his back, and eat with him?

They didn't.

 

[CMike]

and through the Essenes they took place. The temple is built, it is called the Dome on the Rock. Have you not seen it? The OT does not say forever, but rather for something that lasts for aeons (time out of mind)

You can not ignore science. You are using it now.

It says forever multiple times.

It's talking about the Jewish temple in Jerusalem.

 

[Robert.Evans]

Well ok I see. If you had an opportunity, I hope you do watch the video.

Let us than talk a bit about Crucifixion from the bible,

The disciples has heard that Jesus peace be upon him was crucified and were not eyewitness

Mark 14:50 And they all forsook him, and fled.

So that the disciples , they had heard that he was DEAD AND BURIED FOR THREE DAYS. If one is confronted by a person with such a reputation then the conclusion is inescapable; they must be seeing A GHOST. Little wonder these ten brave men were petrified."

So now let us look at the verses.

Luke 24 36-37 And as they thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.

37 But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit.


They thought that Jesus peace be upon him was dead and they thought what they were seeing is a spirit. So Jesus peace be upon him wanted to prove to them that this is not the case.

And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts?

39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

40 And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them his hands and his feet.

41 And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat?

42 And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb.

43 And he took it, and did eat before them.



Also

Acts 1:3 o whom also he shewed himself alive after his passion by many infallible proofs, being seen of them forty days, and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God:


Let me also ask you, did you see my comment on the thread:

What does it mean "I never knew you"

Seen it now.

Yet keeping it with the OP, he has not changed the law if he is saying worship God and is not saying he is God. The resurrection can be seen in many ways; Paul says it is spiritual, as it was sown natural. But if that is so, how then does it get from one to the other. Also, if someone was dead and brought to life again, does that mean they die again??? That seems somewhat cruel. My answer is this, hidden within the Scriptures, as also at their time, there was a second Messiah, as the Essenes were looking for two, a priestly and a lay. The one did not die, hence your beliefs, the other died, and was not resurrected in the flesh but in the spirit as Paul says. Thus we can say that they recognised him and that they did NOT recognise him

 

[Robert.Evans]

It says forever multiple times.

It's talking about the Jewish temple in Jerusalem.

the Dome

 

[Robert.Evans]

They didn't.

This is off a site:

Has seen
(Gen. 17:1)--“Now when Abram was ninety-nine years old, the LORD appeared to Abram and said to him, "I am God Almighty; Walk before Me, and be blameless;
(Gen. 18:1) Now the LORD appeared to him by the oaks of Mamre, while he was sitting at the tent door in the heat of the day.”
(Exodus 6:2-3)--"God spoke further to Moses and said to him, "I am the LORD; 3and I appeared to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, as God Almighty, but by My name, LORD, I did not make Myself known to them.”
(Exodus 24:9-11)--“Then Moses went up with Aaron, Nadab and Abihu, and seventy of the elders of Israel, 10and they saw the God of Israel; and under His feet there appeared to be a pavement of sapphire, as clear as the sky itself. 11Yet He did not stretch out His hand against the nobles of the sons of Israel; and they saw God, and they ate and drank.”
(Num. 12:6-8)--“He said, "Hear now My words: If there is a prophet among you, I, the LORD, shall make Myself known to him in a vision. I shall speak with him in a dream. 7"Not so, with My servant Moses, He is faithful in all My household; 8With him I speak mouth to mouth, Even openly, and not in dark sayings, And he beholds the form of the LORD. Why then were you not afraid To speak against My servant, against Moses ?"
(Acts 7:2), "And he [Stephen] said, 'Hear me, brethren and fathers! The God of glory appeared to our father Abraham when he was in Mesopotamia, before he lived in Haran . . . '"


Has not seen

(Exodus 33:20)--“But He [God] said, "You cannot see My face, for no man can see Me and live!"
(John 1:18)--“No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.”
(John 5:37)--“"And the Father who sent Me, He has testified of Me. You have neither heard His voice at any time nor seen His form.”
(John 6:46)--"Not that anyone has seen the Father, except the One who is from God; He has seen the Father.”
(1 Tim. 6:15-16)--“He who is the blessed and only Sovereign, the King of kings and Lord of lords, 16who alone possesses immortality and dwells in unapproachable light, whom no man has seen or can see. To Him be honor and eternal dominion! Amen.”


There are two lists. One says "under his feet"

 

[Robert.Evans]

Ex 33. you shall see my back, my back parts

 

[Sabour]

Seen it now.

Yet keeping it with the OP, he has not changed the law if he is saying worship God and is not saying he is God. The resurrection can be seen in many ways; Paul says it is spiritual, as it was sown natural. But if that is so, how then does it get from one to the other. Also, if someone was dead and brought to life again, does that mean they die again??? That seems somewhat cruel. My answer is this, hidden within the Scriptures, as also at their time, there was a second Messiah, as the Essenes were looking for two, a priestly and a lay. The one did not die, hence your beliefs, the other died, and was not resurrected in the flesh but in the spirit as Paul says. Thus we can say that they recognised him and that they did NOT recognise him

Well concerning the OP, we as muslims believe that there was the "Injil". "Injil" is not the bible as the bible is not 100 % the Word of God. It contains things written by men and what they think. There are many differences in different version. This is what I think about changing the law.

About your second part, I was confused trying to understand as I am not familiar with that explanation.

 

[Robert.Evans]

Well concerning the OP, we as muslims believe that there was the "Injil". "Injil" is not the bible as the bible is not 100 % the Word of God. It contains things written by men and what they think. There are many differences in different version. This is what I think about changing the law.

About your second part, I was confused trying to understand as I am not familiar with that explanation.

How do you mean, "changing the law".

Differences in different versions just shows different realities of Self. All things are real, all things exist somewhere. All that is destroyed is that which is unclean, like a forgotten thought. But each thought gives rise to another, does it not.

As for the explanation, dwell on it, it is not something you are likely to hear elsewhere.

I have a great deal of respect for Muslims, if you believed in the crucifixion and resurrection, I guess I would be knocking on your Temple door