The prophets tell us that THE SCRIBES HAD CHANGED THE GOD'S LAW

[CMike]

True Christians do not murdered any man, for Christ's commandments command them not to hurt or kill anyone.

Those who murdered other men using the name of Jesus were not true Christians.

The Gospel is against wars, death sentences, tortures, sacrifices and slavery. And true Christians do not practice those things. The men who practiced these things were based on the laws of the Old Testament, because the Old Testament commanded all those things.

Even, the Commandments on the so-called "Decalogue" of the Old Testament are not equal to the commandments that Jesus teaches us in the Gospel. Jesus Christ in the Gospel reveals the true commandments God gave to Moses. The Gospel tells us so:

"if thou wouldest enter into life, keep the commandments. He saith unto him, Which? And Jesus said, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Honor thy father and mother; and, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.

That's jewish law. It's from the Torah. Have you ever heard of the Ten commandments?

However, it says "you shall not murder", not you shall not kill.

The young man saith unto him, All these things have I observed: what lack I yet? Jesus said unto him, If thou wouldest be perfect, go,

sell that which thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me. But when the young man heard the saying, he went away sorrowful; for he was one that had great possessions" (Matthew 19: 16-22

Sounds like jesus was a communist.

It's rather idiotic for someone to sell everything he owns and gives it to the poor thereby becoming poor himself.

Here are the laws from G-D given in the Torah concerning the poor.

The Poor and Unfortunate

1. Not to afflict an orphan or a widow (Ex. 22:21) (CCN51).
2. Not to reap the entire field (Lev. 19:9; Lev. 23:22) (negative) (CCI6).
3. To leave the unreaped corner of the field or orchard for the poor (Lev. 19:9) (affirmative) (CCI1).
4. Not to gather gleanings (the ears that have fallen to the ground while reaping) (Lev. 19:9) (negative) (CCI7).
5. To leave the gleanings for the poor (Lev. 19:9) (affirmative) (CCI2).
6. Not to gather ol'loth (the imperfect clusters) of the vineyard (Lev. 19:10) (negative) (CCI8).
7. To leave ol'loth (the imperfect clusters) of the vineyard for the poor (Lev. 19:10; Deut. 24:21) (affirmative) (CCI3).
8. Not to gather the peret (grapes) that have fallen to the ground (Lev. 19:10) (negative) (CCI9).
9. To leave peret (the single grapes) of the vineyard for the poor (Lev. 19:10) (affirmative) (CCI4).
10. Not to return to take a forgotten sheaf (Deut. 24:19) This applies to all fruit trees (Deut. 24:20) (negative) (CC10).
11. To leave the forgotten sheaves for the poor (Deut. 24:19-20) (affirmative) (CCI5).
12. Not to refrain from maintaining a poor man and giving him what he needs (Deut. 15:7) (CCN62). See Tzedakah: Charity.
13. To give charity according to one's means (Deut. 15:11) (CCA38). See Tzedakah: Charity.

Notice number 52 states to give charity according to one's means, not to give everything you own and then become poor yourself. That's just rediculous.

These are the true commandments of God and not what are written in the Old Testament, because in the Old Testament are no commandments that allow men be owners of other men and have them as slaves, and slavery is totally contrary to the commandments of Jesus Christ.

The commandments written in the Old Testament that are contrary to the teachings of the Gospel, are not true Law of God, for Jesus Christ is God made ​​man, and He taught us in the Gospel the true Law given by God to men from always and forever.

Jesus stated to murder anyone who doesn't accept him as his ruler.

Luke 19

27"But these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and slay them in my presence."

And of course

Matthew 10:34

King James Version (KJV)

34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.

Yes in the beginnng slavery was the norm, and even though the Torah did allow for slavery at the time, it gave many laws on how to treat a slave.

At that time slavery was the way things were done.

The first rules of slavery dealt with when the slaves go free. The Torah discouraged slavery although allowing it because it was the norm at that time.

 

[CMike]

You say true christians wouldn't murder anyone.

However, the church mass murdered hundreds of thousands of jews in the name of Jesus.

Perhaps you are not a "true christian" for not doing the same?

 

[CMike]

You mean the Jews who missed the Mashiyach because of their hatred.

There have been about 52 false messiahs. Jesus was one of them.

Nicely put. Yahshuah was a "false prophet to the Jews"; not to all though, some did not have "stiff necks" some had "eyes to see".

I take the stiff necked as a badge of honor.

Jews stuck to their G-D and did not worship false and multiple G-Ds.

Jesus was a false messiah because he didn't fulfill the messianic prophesies.

There are in Michah 4:3 and Ezekiel 37.

The prophesies are

World peace
One united king of Israel
All the jews will come to Israel
All the jews will stay in Israel
The temple will be rebuilt and stand forever
The messiah will also have many descendents
He will be a descendent of King David (Tribal lineage goes solely by the father)

How many of these did Jesus fulfill?

None

 

[Scimitar]

stiff necks no llama?

 

[Tali018]

stiff necks no llama?

no llama? ----> You may need to explain you're usage of this. On this side llama is a animal or in another language we also use is Name. Or the use of stiff neck which means only one point of view without change

 

[Scimitar]

You got it Tali hope you been well

 

[CMike]

Originally Posted by Shermana
Jesus said the Law of Moses was binding for all time.

no he did not

Really?

Matthew 5

18"For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished. 19"Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.…

I guess you guys have to keep shabbos and kosher huh?

You listening Porque?

 

[Muffled]

Jews are just doing what they are supposed to do which is to not worship false gods.

G-D doesn't have physical manifestations.

So if you are worshipping a person with physical manifestations you are worshipping a false god.

I believe Jesus is proof that He does. Assertions to the contrary arenot based on proof.

 

[Muffled]

That's what you say but I do not think so ...
in my Bible are the laws of the Old Testament and the law of the Gospel ... and I see that the two laws are very different

My only law is the law of the Gospel ... The laws of the Old Testament can not be compared with the law of the Gospel ... because the commandments of the Gospel are all merciful.

I believe it is possible to just exchange one law for another but my belief is that Jesus is the law and that is constituted by whatever He says it is whether OT or NT.

I believe tossing people into Hell doesn't constitute mercy.

 

[Muffled]

Jewish experienced this mercy from the church by hundreds of thousands of jews that were tortured and murdered in the name of jesus.

Look up:

Spanish inquisition
Black plague
Pogroms

I believe there have been those who have beleived that any means to get a person off the road to Hell is worthwhile and a mercy. I believe it is nigh impossible to get a person to see the truth by force.

 

[CMike]

Originally Posted by CMike View Post
Jews are just doing what they are supposed to do which is to not worship false gods.

G-D doesn't have physical manifestations.

So if you are worshipping a person with physical manifestations you are worshipping a false god.

I believe Jesus is proof that He does. Assertions to the contrary arenot based on proof.

The fact that G-D can not have human manifestations, and no one can see G-D and live, is a clear proof that jesus was not G-D.

 

[metis]

To me, I think it is far more likely that the apostles thought that Jesus was of God but not God.

 

[CMike]

To me, I think it is far more likely that the apostles thought that Jesus was of God but not God.

Aren't we all.

 

[Porque77]

The fact that G-D can not have human manifestations, and no one can see G-D and live, is a clear proof that jesus was not G-D.

That you say that God can not..., is completly wrong, because God can do everything.

That no one can see God were things of the Old Testament, but when Jesus was born in Bethlehem, the men saw God because Jesus Christ was God made ​​Man.

So you do not have any evidence to deny that Jesus is God.

Jesus said that He was the Way, the Truth and the Life, and the Way, the Truth and the Life is God.

Jesus Christ is God, and the Law of the Gospel is the only true law of God. The proof that the Gospel is the Word of God is that all his teaching gives us love and mercy.

 

[CMike]

That you say that God can not..., is completly wrong, because God can do everything.

That no one can see God were things of the Old Testament, but when Jesus was born in Bethlehem, the men saw God because Jesus Christ was God made ​​Man.

So you do not have any evidence to deny that Jesus is God.

Jesus said that He was the Way, the Truth and the Life, and the Way, the Truth and the Life is God.

Jesus Christ is God, and the Law of the Gospel is the only true law of God. The proof that the Gospel is the Word of God is that all his teaching gives us love and mercy.

You have any evidence I'm not G-d?

 

[metis]

[Porque, do you] have any evidence I'm not G-d?

Can I answer this?! :woohoo:

 

[CMike]

Sure.

 

[Robert.Evans]

There have been about 52 false messiahs. Jesus was one of them.



I take the stiff necked as a badge of honor.

Jews stuck to their G-D and did not worship false and multiple G-Ds.

Jesus was a false messiah because he didn't fulfill the messianic prophesies.

There are in Michah 4:3 and Ezekiel 37.

The prophesies are

World peace
One united king of Israel
All the jews will come to Israel
All the jews will stay in Israel
The temple will be rebuilt and stand forever
The messiah will also have many descendents
He will be a descendent of King David (Tribal lineage goes solely by the father)

How many of these did Jesus fulfill?

None

And you seriously think that this is here on earth? This is above not below. how can the Temple stay "forever" (not that the Text means that) if science tells us that the Earth will eventually end

 

[Robert.Evans]

Aren't we all.

Yes, but he is in a higher level; he did not come through the lower levels of corruption as we did

 

[Sabour]

]That you say that God can not..., is completly wrong, because God can do everything.

God can do everything but He doesn't do anything. Here is a hige difference

That no one can see God were things of the Old Testament, but when Jesus was born in Bethlehem, the men saw God because Jesus Christ was God made ​​Man.

:no: are you taking this as a proof? It sounds more like an explanation, which is not true

So you do not have any evidence to deny that Jesus is God.

What do think about Adam and Eve ? And do you have the proof ?

Jesus said that He was the Way, the Truth and the Life, and the Way, the Truth and the Life is God.

Every prophet is the way.

Jesus Christ is God, and the Law of the Gospel is the only true law of God. The proof that the Gospel is the Word of God is that all his teaching gives us love and mercy.

Which language? Which version ?