And finally, the Simpsons visit Italy.
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The Random, Meaningless Political post thread
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Father Heathen
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Most women don't enjoy being harassed and objectified; they find it disrespectful and degrading, and in some situations even threatening.It has happened to me, yes.
I find it normal.
Well...yes...but our TV studios are just a couple of miles from the Vatican...and...
I guess maybe it's to spite the Church.
Father Heathen
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Why not just renounce their faith and/or leave the church? That would send a more impactful message.
Knowing Italian men, if most of them had listened to the famous locker room talk on the bus...they would have crowned the Donald king of Italy...they would have worshipped as a deity.
LOL...
They don't understand English...so....
Father Heathen
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Wait, so they do glorify sexual assault?Knowing Italian men, if most of them had listened to the famous locker room talk on the bus...they would have crowned the Donald king of Italy...they would have worshipped as a deity.
LOL...
They don't understand English...so....
Objectification is considered normal, even by women.
For example, here you can say a woman who is sitting on a motorbike in a showroom. To advertise a motorbike.
And she is bothered by the fact that two young men are interested in the gears and not in her body.
And in fact she says: the problem here is that they are really interested in the motorbike.
And some mature men: it's the young generations! We are actually interested in you.
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
So if one were to hypothetically travel to Italy and say to random Italian women in the streets "Hey, baby. I'll give you a slice of pizza if you come and sit on daddy's lap.", their response would be positive?
It's more accepted...considered normal?
I don't know...
Catcalling is just verbal...so it cannot be considered "harassment".
I would say that some of my early impressions of Italy were formed when I first saw this movie and the scenes in Sicily.
They're portrayed as very old world, traditional, and far more prudish than what one would typically see in America, even back in the 1940s when this was set. Apollonia had practically zero say in who she was going to marry, although she seemed to like Michael Corleone well enough.
Of course, the war obviously changed the dynamic. One thing we'd often hear in America is about how U.S. servicemen would come back from Europe and brag about their sexual exploits with the women in the various countries they were in. It also became a trope in many American war movies. Even in provincial, prudish America, they couldn't keep 'em down on the farm after they had seen Paris. Not anymore.
Progressive movements, such as women's liberation and the sexual revolution, seemed to run parallel to each other, but at different rates of speed in different cultures. I heard about looser standards on TV in some countries like Italy even back in the 1980s, whereas U.S. TV was still a bit more restricted (although still loosening up from what it had been in the 50s and early 60s).
There were also some differences in how Europeans and Americans viewed sex and/or violence on the screen. Americans seemed to be resistant to allowing sex on TV, but violence was okay. Europeans seemed more the opposite, with the sex being okay but the violence not okay. Swearing was also out of the question on American TV, which is why there are all the "bleeps."
It seems to create a perception in the American consciousness where violence and killing are okay, just as long as you don't cuss or think any impure thoughts while doing it.
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
How many slices of pizza would it take to entice the average Italian woman into bed?
Do they not have dictionaries in Italy?
One of my closest friends is Italian, and based on what she has told me, nothing I have read in the last few pages of this thread strikes me as anything more than hyperbolic, unprincipled sexual fantasy.
That was Sicily in 1945 or something.
That's an enormous generation gap.
Nowadays in Sicily women can even to have two boyfriends simultaneously. They are more economically independent.
The generational shift is incredible.
Exactly. Here violence is not considered viewable by underage people. But Italian national TV is really...you know....dirty.
LOL
It's cultural. It's paradoxes. Here children manage to drink some beer and wine...even if they are prepubescents.
But there's no second amendment, so it's impossible to buy a gun anywhere...unless you have a license, which is very, very difficult to get.
So the paradox to me is that some teenagers cannot drink but have access to guns, somehow in some states of America. LOL
Father Heathen
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I knew to take what they were claiming with a handful of salt, especially considering their inventive imagination regarding American culture.
It depends on how promiscuous and disinhibited the girl is.
Father Heathen
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I have just said the truth.
What did I say wrong?
You're making it sound like Italian women don't mind sexual harassment, which is a gross, unsubstantiated, and irresponsible generalization. That's just the tip of the iceberg.