The Rapture

[yogidog]

Definition: The belief that faithful Christians will be bodily caught up from the earth, suddenly taken out of the world, to be united with the Lord “in the air.” The word “rapture” is understood by some persons, but not by all, to be the meaning of 1 Thessalonians 4:17. The word “rapture” does not occur in the inspired Scriptures.
***Reasoning From The Scriptures p. 312 Rapture ***

(1 Thessalonians 4:17) . . .Afterward we the living who are surviving will, together with them, be caught away in clouds to meet the Lord in the air; and thus we shall always be with [the] Lord.

(1 Corinthians 15:35-36) . . .Nevertheless, someone will say: “How are the dead to be raised up? Yes, with what sort of body are they coming?” 36 You unreasonable person! What you sow is not made alive unless first it dies;

The discussion in 1 thes 4 is about the brothers who have died having to wait until the coming of the Lord in order to receive their heavenly reward. Paul states in those verses that the dead in union with Christ would rise to be with Christ before those still alive when the Lord arrives. The point Paul then makes is that after the return of Christ, those faithful and in union with him, would not have to wait as the earlier disciples waited in the sleep of death. Upon their death, they would receive an immediate heavenly resurrection, as in the twinkling of the eye.

This is in harmony with 1 Corinthians 15:36 that states death must occur before one is united with the Lord.

But, not everyone is going to heaven. One can't get around the Lord Jesus' words that there are two distinct hopes.

(Matthew 5:3) . . .“Happy are those conscious of their spiritual need, since the kingdom of the heavens belongs to them.

Then on the same breath:

(Matthew 5:5) . . .“Happy are the mild-tempered ones, since they will inherit the earth.


Cheers

 

[Muffled]

Is it possible for Jewish people to be raptured?

Yes. However they will have to accept the robe of righteousness washed in the blood of Jesus. If they don't they will be tossed out into outer space.

 

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Will Christ even judge the Jewish people as wicked? I'm not sure how that is supposed to work.:sorry1:

Lu 13:35 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate: and I say unto you, Ye shall not see me, until ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

This is not a judgement of righteousness or wickedness. It is a judgement based on the rejection of Jesus as Messiah (Christ).

 

[Muffled]

The form of hope it offers is a particularly noxious one. They believe that they will be miraculously translated to heaven while the wrath of God is unleashed on everybody else. Anyone who needs that kind of hope is more than a little twisted.

It is difficult to understand what your criteria is for being "twisted."

God fearing people expect things to be straight, in right relationship. In this present world that is not possible because sin has twisted everyone from the straight path.
We hope for a world that is straight. It is not pleasant to realize that many would prefer to hold on to their twistedness even unto death, however that is the reality. God will not force anyone to be in a straight world which means that such a person will not be in any world.

 

[Muffled]

Definition: The belief that faithful Christians will be bodily caught up from the earth, suddenly taken out of the world, to be united with the Lord “in the air.” The word “rapture” is understood by some persons, but not by all, to be the meaning of 1 Thessalonians 4:17. The word “rapture” does not occur in the inspired Scriptures.
***Reasoning From The Scriptures p. 312 Rapture ***

(1 Thessalonians 4:17) . . .Afterward we the living who are surviving will, together with them, be caught away in clouds to meet the Lord in the air; and thus we shall always be with [the] Lord.

(1 Corinthians 15:35-36) . . .Nevertheless, someone will say: “How are the dead to be raised up? Yes, with what sort of body are they coming?” 36 You unreasonable person! What you sow is not made alive unless first it dies;

The discussion in 1 thes 4 is about the brothers who have died having to wait until the coming of the Lord in order to receive their heavenly reward. Paul states in those verses that the dead in union with Christ would rise to be with Christ before those still alive when the Lord arrives. The point Paul then makes is that after the return of Christ, those faithful and in union with him, would not have to wait as the earlier disciples waited in the sleep of death. Upon their death, they would receive an immediate heavenly resurrection, as in the twinkling of the eye.

This is in harmony with 1 Corinthians 15:36 that states death must occur before one is united with the Lord.

But, not everyone is going to heaven. One can't get around the Lord Jesus' words that there are two distinct hopes.

(Matthew 5:3) . . .“Happy are those conscious of their spiritual need, since the kingdom of the heavens belongs to them.

Then on the same breath:

(Matthew 5:5) . . .“Happy are the mild-tempered ones, since they will inherit the earth.


Cheers

The Rapture is not about going to Heaven. The Rapture is up into the clouds to meet Jesus in the air.

You are misconstruing the simile. The seed never dies, it goes on living as a plant. The death that Paul is talking about is the cessation of existence of the entity as a seed because it has become a plant. This is also true of those living who are "changed." There is no loss of physical function while the transformation takes place but the old mortal body no longer exists. Let me give an example: A doctor performs a heart transplant to replace a degenerative heart with a healthy one. The patient doesn't die but the old heart is dead once it is removed from the body.

There is no need for a disparity. The Kingdom of Heaven exists wherever the believer exists. So if the believer inherits the earth, the Kingdom of Heaven is on earth.

I do not agree. The point that Paul is making is that our transformation to new bodies does not mean that those who died in Christ don't receive the same benefit. The fact that it happens earlier has little importance. If there is a benefit of having the dead rise first, it is that they are there to meet us when we get there.

 

[seraphim81]

Yes. However they will have to accept the robe of righteousness washed in the blood of Jesus. If they don't they will be tossed out into outer space.

Thank you for clearing that up for me.:angel2:

 

[AK4]

AK4,
It is very hard to reason with someone who calls himself a Christian, but picks scriptures from the Holy Bible and proclaims then spurious. Is this what you do to any scripture that does not agree with some preconceived ideas of yours???

Really? Is that what im doing? Am i the one who first saw that some verses have been added or subtracted to the scriptures? Are there many more spurious verses that OTHERS [believers, nonbelievers, scholars, nonscholars [like me], theologians, non-theologians] have found like the obvious ones put in by the catholic church and martin luther?

The Holy Scriptures tell us that God's word remains forever. If God's word has been adulterated, it is no longer God's word, Isa 40:8, 1Pet 1:25.

Gods original words cant be changed, but it is obvious that man can translate wrong, add or subtract to the Scriptures. Its mentioned numerous times that it will and has happened. Have you ever been shown this scripture and do you believe it?

[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Arial, Geneva]Jer 8:8 -"How can you say, 'We are wise, And the law of the LORD is with us'? But behold, the lying pen of the scribes Has made {it} into a lie. [/FONT]

Paul tells us that all scripture is inspired by God, 2Tim 3:16,17, Peter agrees, 2Pet 1:20,21.

Yes, but scripture is only inspired to the ones GOD CHOOSES to inspire it through, not just any one like the catholic church adding the word EASTER and the verses to make their trinity doctrine work

1 John 5:7
in heaven, the Father, the Word and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one

1 John 5:8
And there are three that bear witness in earth

http://www.davidcox.com.mx/library/...tantin - Discovery of Sinaitic Manuscript.pdf

Remember, Jesus said that God's word IS TRUTH. The Almighty has, Himself promised to keep His word unadulterated. If God allowed His word to be adulterated, He could not judge the world, because it is by His word that all are judged, Rom 14:10-12, 2Cor 5:10.

Absolute versus relative. Of course absolute is over the relative right? Good, so Yes, the Word, the original scriptures, Jesus, will never be adulterated, always be pure etc etc. That is the absolute. Now the relative is proven in what we find in most of the translations out there. There are added words, subtracted words like in the KJV they leave out the very thing that is most important in the verse....GOD!!!

"And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God…" (Rom. 8:28).
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Oh really? Is this verse from the King James Version even true? How many billions of times has this verse been quoted, and it isn’t even true! Things do NOT "work together for good." That is absurd. "THINGS" can’t do anything by themselves. Just what is it that the King James has left out of this verse which has turned a grand and marvelous Spiritual Truth into a carnal-minded heresy? Why, just "GOD," that’s all. They left GOD out of this verse. And here is how God inspired this verse:

"And we know that GOD works together all things for Good to the (ones) loving God…" (Interlinear Greek-English New Testament, By J P. Green, Sr).
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‘Now we are aware that GOD is working all together for the good of those who are loving God…" (Concordant Literal New Testament).
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"We know, further, that unto them who love God, GOD causes all things to work together for good…" (Rotherham’s Emphasized Bible).
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With the evidence right here in front of you do you still HATE THE TRUTH being shown to you? Do you still stand your ground? Have you ever read the introduction from the translators of 1611 edition of the KJ bible and what they say of their own translation and of any others?

You do seem to have some knowledge of the scriptures. please allow me to do as Priscilla and Aquilla did for Apollos. They expounded the word of God more correctly to him. This account is recorded at Acts 18:24-26.

I can agree with you here, but then we have to consider and in all respect, from this passage, who is being like Apollos and who is being like Priscilla and Acquilla, me or you?

Since it is ALL SCRIPTURE that is inspired by God, both the Hebrew Scriptures and the Greek Scriptures, many times we must go to the Hebrew Scriptures to get the KEY to understanding the Christian Greek Scriptures. Notice that it is the wicked that are removed from earth, not the good. Notice it is the righteous that will live forever on earth. Consider also Prov 2:21,22.

Agreed

Since, as you have stated, the Bible is very clear about some going to heaven with Jesus.

I dont think i said that anyone is GOING to heaven because there is only ONE who has. Think on this...God dwells in heaven in His Temple. We are told that we are His temple. Now if God dwells in heaven in His temple and we are His temple then tell me how ANYONE can go to heaven. See heaven is not what we have been taught by world or even what almost all the churches out there teach.

The Bible is also clear about some living on earth forever. This means tha some will live on earth and some will live in heaven.

Now if you look at all the Word you will see that it teaches that not only some will live on the earth, but ALL will and that there is only One, Jesus, who has and will ascend to the heavens. Heavens, almost always plural in the hebrew and greek and man is the heavens and even the all the heavens cannot contain Him.

Since it only stands to reason that the ones in heaven will be fewer,

These "few" will be used by God and Jesus to save the world and everyone else. That is why they are called priests, a royal nation, kings, lords, SAVIOURS. See Obadiah

Jesus mentioned a Little Flock that would inherit the Kingdom. Consider Rev 7:3,4, which states acertain number that are sealed. Then look at verse 9 which mentions a Great Crowd. Verse 14 tells us that this group comes OUT of the Great Tribulation, .....Jesus said that there was going to be a resurrection of life to those who did good things, and a resurrection of judgement to those who practiced vile things. This means that some who are resurrected will die again, because of not wanting to obey Jesus.

We were in agreement until that last sentence. Please see post 134 about those being raised. Also consider the verse that states "it is appointed unto men ONCE TO DIE, THEN JUDGMENT" and see if it fits what you say about those resurrected dying a physical death again.

NONE of the ones who are resurrected to heaven can die again, because the are resurrected IMMORTAL, Rev 2:11, 20:5,6. Paul wrote on this subject also, 1Cor 15:51-54.
Paul writing to the Corinthians said that ALL will be made alive, 1Cor 15:22. Did Paul actually mean ALL would be finally made alive??? Of course NOT. Paul was sayint that all who were in Christ would be made alive.

Please see post 134 again

Remember Jesus said several times that few would actually get into God's Kingdom, Matt 7:13,14, Luke 13:23,24. These ones are BORN AGAIN, as spirit creatures, John 3:3-8. Jesus was rtesurrected as a spirit, and the Little Flock who inherit the Kingdom receive the same resurrection that Jesus received.

Agreed, but He only mentioned this for this eon and the next eon, but in the eons after the rest will be saved also.

The same idea about ALL is also mentioned by Paul at Rom 11:26, where the scripture says; in this manner ALL Israel will be saved. Just before this statement Paul had carefully stated the process that the Jews had to make to be saved, ALL who did this would be saved, Rom 11:14-25. Definitely not all of Israel will be saved, Paul tells us that only a REMNANT will be saved, Rom 9:27, 11:5.

Remember "all of Gods word is TRUTH", so are you telling me you dont believe the word all means all? God didnt mean ALL israel but only some? Are you despising Gods word of "ALL"? Is the INSPIRED scripture "in expectation of life eonian, which God, Who does not lie, promises before times eonian", Titus 1:2 (CLV) penned by the same person who wrote Romans a lie? So did God lie when He inspired Paul to write ALL israel will be saved? Do you really believe God really meant for Paul to say only some? Think about it. Is God a god of contradictions?

The scriptures recorded at 1Thess 4:13-17, is speaking about the Little Flock who will be taken to heaven just before the marriage of the Lamb, Rev 19:6,7.Some will be still alive and they will be changed in a mont, in the twinkling of an eye; the others of that group will be resurrected, and all meet up with the Lord in the air, taking the place of Satan and his hoard who now rule ,1John 5:19, are the authority of the air, 1Thes 4:17, Eph 2:2.

They will become like the wind [John 3:08], ON EARTH. They will be "caught up in the air" where "the powers and principalities are". This is not literal. In otherwords they will rule and reign [thats what the powers and principalities mean] with Jesus on earth. They will not be off somewhere else on some "heavenly" rock somewhere out in the universe ruling.

We are pretty close to the same page except for some things and probably if we break it down more we probably wouldnt be that close. Anyway anything in caps are only for emphasis, nothing else.

 

[AK4]

Oh, hi everybody. I know i know, yall missed me while ive been gone for the past month, but im back now. Arent you guys just elated?

 

[URAVIP2ME]

The Rapture is not about going to Heaven. The Rapture is up into the clouds to meet Jesus in the air.
There is no need for a disparity. The Kingdom of Heaven exists wherever the believer exists. So if the believer inherits the earth, the Kingdom of Heaven is on earth.
I do not agree. The point that Paul is making is that our transformation to new bodies does not mean that those who died in Christ don't receive the same benefit. The fact that it happens earlier has little importance. If there is a benefit of having the dead rise first, it is that they are there to meet us when we get there.

In order to meet Jesus in the air one would have to be breathing or would die up in the clouds. Flesh and blood do not inherit God's kingdom- 1 Cor 15v50
Living people can Not live up in the clouds.

Jesus rule is heavenly, so his rule over earth is heavenly. Kingdom blessings come down to earth because of the heavenly kingdom or God's royal heavenly government showering down blessings to earth from above.

But do all of the dead rise [resurrected] first ? Rev 20v6; Acts 24v15.
Where do the living sheep-like ones on earth of Matthew 25v32 go?_______
They remain alive on earth and have the prospect of everlasting life in view right here on earth. -Matt 25v46.

 

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In order to meet Jesus in the air one would have to be breathing or would die up in the clouds. Flesh and blood do not inherit God's kingdom- 1 Cor 15v50
Living people can Not live up in the clouds.

Jesus rule is heavenly, so his rule over earth is heavenly. Kingdom blessings come down to earth because of the heavenly kingdom or God's royal heavenly government showering down blessings to earth from above.

But do all of the dead rise [resurrected] first ? Rev 20v6; Acts 24v15.
Where do the living sheep-like ones on earth of Matthew 25v32 go?_______
They remain alive on earth and have the prospect of everlasting life in view right here on earth. -Matt 25v46.

You don't seem to have a very high opinion of God if you think He raptures people to a place where they can't breathe. Jesus said "I go and prepare a place for you," a house with many rooms ie The New Jerusalem which is also in the clouds.

Tell that to the people living in the space station, I am sure they will be amused to hear it.

All the previously dead who died in Christ.

The sheep are raptured; the goats die. Everlasting life belongs to a Christian from the time he receives Jesus as Lord and Savior. However that is not a total fulfillment until the person is raptured.

PS: I won't be spending my eternal life in the Kingdom of God on earth. God has other plans for me. Of course there are thousands of years so my course may take me back to it at some point.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

You don't seem to have a very high opinion of God if you think He raptures people to a place where they can't breathe. Jesus said "I go and prepare a place for you," a house with many rooms ie The New Jerusalem which is also in the clouds.
Tell that to the people living in the space station, I am sure they will be amused to hear it.
All the previously dead who died in Christ.
The sheep are raptured; the goats die. Everlasting life belongs to a Christian from the time he receives Jesus as Lord and Savior. However that is not a total fulfillment until the person is raptured.
PS: I won't be spending my eternal life in the Kingdom of God on earth. God has other plans for me. Of course there are thousands of years so my course may take me back to it at some point.

Where does it say in the 25th chapter of Matthew that the sheep are raptured? Verse 46 says they go off into everlasting life.

Jesus prepares a place for those of Rev 5vs9,10 who will be resurrected to heaven.

Those that go to heaven with Jesus are granted immortality.
There is a difference between everlasting life and immortality.

Those that go to heaven with Jesus die first because flesh and blood can not inherit the kingdom [1Cor 15v50] whereas those living on earth will gain the healthy human perfection of mind and body that human Adam originally had.

Adam was not offered immortality but everlasting life right here on earth.
Adam was not created as an angel. Angels were created to inhabit heaven.
Humans were created to inhabit the earth or earthly realm of God's kingdom.

Jesus is not taking the living sheep-like people up into a space ship, rather the words from his mouth will rid the earth of the goat/ weed like ones as Isaiah 11v4; Rev 19vs11,1415 says.

Who will 'remain' according to Proverbs 2vs21,22?____________

 

[Muffled]

Where does it say in the 25th chapter of Matthew that the sheep are raptured? Verse 46 says they go off into everlasting life.

Jesus prepares a place for those of Rev 5vs9,10 who will be resurrected to heaven.

Those that go to heaven with Jesus are granted immortality.
There is a difference between everlasting life and immortality.

Those that go to heaven with Jesus die first because flesh and blood can not inherit the kingdom [1Cor 15v50] whereas those living on earth will gain the healthy human perfection of mind and body that human Adam originally had.

Adam was not offered immortality but everlasting life right here on earth.
Adam was not created as an angel. Angels were created to inhabit heaven.
Humans were created to inhabit the earth or earthly realm of God's kingdom.

Jesus is not taking the living sheep-like people up into a space ship, rather the words from his mouth will rid the earth of the goat/ weed like ones as Isaiah 11v4; Rev 19vs11,1415 says.

Who will 'remain' according to Proverbs 2vs21,22?____________

Mat 24:37 says it will be like the days of Noah, some are rescued and some are not. Mat 25 is connected to Mat 24 by a "then" Mat 25:1. The righteous go into the Kingdom Mat 25:34. Enrty into the Kingdom is by Rapture or resurrection depending on whether the person is alive or dead but the sheep and goats is talking about those who are alive. (undoubtedly God makes a distinction betweeen the righteous and wicked dead as well). As for the fact that the Kingdom that we are raptured to being a kingdom of everlasting life, see I Th. 4:17 which says we will ever be with the Lord.

You appear to be a bit confused. Those who are in Heaven say that the eventual destiny of those who reign in the Kingdom, reign on earth (after the New Jerusalem descends to earth of course). Rev 5: 10 Also there is no resurrection to Heaven (Paradise) because God doesn't allow anything substantive there except His own body (Jesus) of course. The Resurrection of the dead that is part of the Rapture takes palce in the clouds which are sometimes referred to as the heavens.

There is no granting of immortality as far as I know. What is your source of information. There is a quasi immortality in that transformed bodies do not die from old age.

I have no idea what you are talking about. The spiritual kingdom is spiritually entered, the physical kingdom is physically entered. I am in the spiritual kingdom now and I am certainly living.

This is debatable. Adam was created from dust. We are not being created but recreated from existing bodies except those who are being resurrected and the question arises how their bodies ae created since it is not mentioned. In any event I don't think it is safe to assume that God is doing the same exact thing.

Adam wasn't offered either one. He was created with the ability to live forever but that was taken away from him because of sin.

You can't prove your statement. I can't prove mine but at least it makes sense. We are raptured to the clouds; the New Jerusalem is in the clouds; and we are found in the New Jerusalem. Otherwise you are believing in some fairy tale where people are raptured to the clouds where there isn't enough oxygen to breathe and just hang there in space.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

If there is no granting or putting on of immortality then how does one explain:
1st Cor. 15 vs53,54?
God granted Jesus to have life within himself [immortality] at John 5v26.

Death is swallowed up in victory [vs54] because 'at the time of the last trumpet' those that die will not sleep in death but be resurrected without having to experience death's sleep.
Daniel 12vs2,13.

 

[Muffled]

If there is no granting or putting on of immortality then how does one explain:
1st Cor. 15 vs53,54?
God granted Jesus to have life within himself [immortality] at John 5v26.

Death is swallowed up in victory [vs54] because 'at the time of the last trumpet' those that die will not sleep in death but be resurrected without having to experience death's sleep.
Daniel 12vs2,13.

Incorruption is just what I said it was. The body does not die from disease or old age. It is not the same thing as immortality. The body can still die of other causes.

The life God is talking about is sinlessness. There is no mention of immortality in this verse.

There are simultaneous victories over death at the last trumpet. We go into a life without sin which eliminates the deth which is its wages. The body doesn't die from disease or old age. I didn't sleep when I was dead. I was in Heaven with Jesus and met my future wife there. (She is presently my wife). Only those who don't leave the body tend to sleep becasue lying around in a body is boring.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

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If lying around in a body is boring then Jesus was bored while he was lying around in hell.
See Acts 2vs27,31.

Was Jesus telling a lie at John 11vs11-14 when Jesus likened being dead to being in a deep sleep-like state of No consciousness?

Daniel did not go to heaven [Dan 12vs2,13]
David did not go to heaven [Acts 2v34]

 

[Benoni]

The word rapture second coming are not even sciptural; there are many comings of the Lord. Show me chapter and verse if there is?

 

[URAVIP2ME]

The word rapture second coming are not even sciptural; there are many comings of the Lord. Show me chapter and verse if there is?

Although there is No rapture mentioned in Scripture, there is resurrection mentioned. Those that rule with Jesus in heaven [Rev 5vs9,10] are resurrected right after death [1st Cor 15]. Those that will be part of the humble,mild, meek to inherit the earth are not resurrected until Jesus 1000-year reign over earth. [Acts 24v15] such as the earthly resurrection Daniel looked forward- 12vs 2,13.

Jesus gave an illustration at Luke 19 vs11-15 showing the kingdom or royal government would not immediately appear on earth in the apostle's day. Jesus as the nobleman would first go away to a far country [heaven] and return in kingdom glory after receiving the kingdom or royal kingdom power.
[Daniel 7vs13,14; 2v44]

How Jesus would use that governmental power is described for us at Isaiah 11v4 and Rev 19vs11.14,15. Jesus will use the words of his mouth as a sharp executioner's sword to destroy the wicked as Psalm 92v7 says.

So, as Matthew 16v27; 25v31 says Jesus will come in 'glory' to intervene into mankind's affairs to separate living people one from another. The people at Jesus right hand of favor, so to speak, keep on living, and remain alive, right here on earth into the start of Jesus peaceful millennial reign over earth.
Proverbs 2vs21,22; 10v30.

 

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If lying around in a body is boring then Jesus was bored while he was lying around in hell.
See Acts 2vs27,31.

Was Jesus telling a lie at John 11vs11-14 when Jesus likened being dead to being in a deep sleep-like state of No consciousness?

Daniel did not go to heaven [Dan 12vs2,13]
David did not go to heaven [Acts 2v34]

Jesus did not lie around in His body. He left the body before it was dead.
Lu 23:46 And Jesus, crying with a loud voice, said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said this, he gave up the ghost.
Use a little common sense, Jesus must have moved around quite a bit to bring the Gospel to the dead.

No! Jesus was speaking of Lazarus who was dead and still with the body. That is a factual statement not a statement of death is like a sleep.

No doubt because that was the belief of their day. They didn't know enough to leave. However the witch of Endor ws able to bring up Samuel from his sleep even though he was still dead:
I Sam 28:13 And the king said unto her, Be not afraid: for what seest thou? And the woman said unto Saul, I see a god coming up out of the earth.
14 And he said unto her, What form is he of? And she said, An old man cometh up; and he is covered with a robe. And Saul perceived that it was Samuel, and he bowed with his face to the ground, and did obeisance. 15 ¶ And Samuel said to Saul, Why hast thou disquieted me, to bring me up?

It is only since Jesus has revealed life after death that people have begun to believe that they can go to Heaven. That and the fact that He told people they could go to Heaven and how to get there. Mr 10:21 And Jesus looking upon him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me.

Examine the threads on here on life after death and you will see that people hold to a wide variety of beliefs. A person who believes they will sleep in the body will do so. A person who believes his spirit is free to wander after death will do so unless he would rather go to Heaven if he knows how to get there.

 

[Muffled]

The word rapture second coming are not even sciptural; there are many comings of the Lord. Show me chapter and verse if there is?

I have already given the scripture for the Rapture. Here is one for the second coming:
Re 22:20 He who testifieth these things saith, Yea: I come quickly. Amen: come, Lord Jesus.

 

[Muffled]

Although there is No rapture mentioned in Scripture, there is resurrection mentioned. Those that rule with Jesus in heaven [Rev 5vs9,10] are resurrected right after death [1st Cor 15]. Those that will be part of the humble,mild, meek to inherit the earth are not resurrected until Jesus 1000-year reign over earth. [Acts 24v15] such as the earthly resurrection Daniel looked forward- 12vs 2,13.

Jesus gave an illustration at Luke 19 vs11-15 showing the kingdom or royal government would not immediately appear on earth in the apostle's day. Jesus as the nobleman would first go away to a far country [heaven] and return in kingdom glory after receiving the kingdom or royal kingdom power.
[Daniel 7vs13,14; 2v44]

How Jesus would use that governmental power is described for us at Isaiah 11v4 and Rev 19vs11.14,15. Jesus will use the words of his mouth as a sharp executioner's sword to destroy the wicked as Psalm 92v7 says.

So, as Matthew 16v27; 25v31 says Jesus will come in 'glory' to intervene into mankind's affairs to separate living people one from another. The people at Jesus right hand of favor, so to speak, keep on living, and remain alive, right here on earth into the start of Jesus peaceful millennial reign over earth.
Proverbs 2vs21,22; 10v30.

The scripture doesn't say Heaven it says Earth: Rev 5:10and madest them to be unto our God a kingdom and priests; and they reign upon earth.

I find no reference to resurrection right after death. I do find this reference: I Cor 15:23 But each in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; then they that are Christ’s, at his coming.

That is the second resurrection.

This is all wild conjecture and unsupportable.