1 Timothy 6:10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.
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The Real Root of All Evil
- Thread starter Kilgore Trout
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1 Timothy 6:10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.
kingiking, when posting a quote it's best to also add in some of your own words to tie it into the topic rather than just dropping in a quote and leaving it at that. It allows you to give a personal contribution to the topic and gives other people more to go off of if they wish to discuss your post further.
I think my answer is complete if you just understand the question.
the question is The Root of All evil, Right? do my answer lack in anyway? the verse is complete nothing to add
PEACE
I like your description of a paradisaic earth. Did you know it matches what Isaiah foretold will happen right here on earth? ( 11:6-9; 35:1-10; 65:25 )
We know according to Revelation (5:9,10) that those in the biblical heaven serve under Jesus. They have two jobs: One job is to serve those on earth as kings to take care of governmental duties under Christ. The other job is to serve as priests under Christ in order to take care of the spiritual needs of those humble meek ones that will inherit the earth as Jesus promised when he referred to Psalm (37:11,29,38).
Remember it is not the earth that will die away, (Ecc. 1:4 b), but what will die away, so to speak, is the end of the world of badness on earth. (Psalm 92:7). We are in the last days of badness on earth. Compare Isaiah (11:4) with Revelation (19:11,15) as to how Jesus, though divine intervention, will rid the earth of the wickedness and usher in Peace on Earth toward men of goodwill.
The fact that you do not desire to leave this earth, and I feel sure you do not want to pick the day you want to die, seems to indicate that you want to be part of the upright that will remain on the earth as Proverbs 2:21,22 brings out.
What do you think of Micah wrote at Micah 4:3,4 ?
Interesting. i think if your interpretation turns out to be right I may not hat it so much after all. I would love to remain on this earth and have no aspirations to reach any heavenly paradise, only to better myself. I like the idea of no war and all that and while I certainly believe a day will come when bations no longer war with eachother I also believe(which you'll see if you look at my sig) that peace, actual peace, is "a lie" or is unattainable and in truth undesirable. I believe we can be at peace with ourselves and be in harmony with the world around us, but to have complete peace would mean an end to conflict and with an end to conflict comes an end to growth, adaptation, evolution, all those things that made us into what we are today and are shaping us into who we will become. Without conflict of some kind everything stagnates and dies. Now this conflict doesn't have to be war and bloodshed. It could be nothing more than the internal drive to explore and discover, moving beyond personal comfort zones to discover new dimensions of ourselves and the world around us. We don't need to fight eachother in order to have that conflict and grow from it, all we need to do is fight to constantly better ourselves. So unless I am still able to do that in the paradise you speak of, I doubt I would be very content with it for very long.
atotalstranger, fear and greed are not the root of all evil, but are only symptoms. Delusional thinking is the root of evil. It is dilusional to believe in the existence of fear and greed. Fear is the false belief that we can be harmed. Greed is the false belief that there is not enough to go around. Only on this physical and finite level of existence can fear and greed even be conceived. Evil is rooted in our futile attempt to immortalize what is so blatantly impermanant. Pure dillusion- that is the root of evil.
God also projects the time when nations will war no longer.
Psalm (46:9) says that God is the one that will make wars to cease from one end of the earth to the other end.
At the Isaiah Wall at the United Nations Plaza is a quote from Isaiah 2:4 which is like Micah 4:2 words that the nations will beat weapons of war into farming implements. With the absence of war wouldn't that open up the way for new demensions to explore?
Jesus was working toward that time of peace because he did not advocate war (Matthew 26:52), and he still felt the same decades after being resurrected to heaven. Revelation (13:10) shows Jesus did not change his mind.
Shalohm (Hebrew) rendered as peace refers to the state of being free from war or disturbance and can convey the idea of health, safety, welfare, friendship, etc. Context determines its use too.
In the world today there can be 'spiritual peace' in that one can work toward peace with God. Serious transgressions against God puts a strain on peace with God and man. King David (Ps 34:14) said we should seek peace and pursue peace departing from bad and doing good. So without righteousness there can be no peace and that is why the wicked can not have peace
(Isa 48:22; 57:21; 59:2-8). Peace becomes a possession of those who love and obey what God's will is for mankind Ps 119:165; Isa 48:18.
Jesus peaceful message appeals to those who want to be friends of peace.
To those who want a relationship with God. See Luke 10:5,6; Acts 10:36.
Originally in Eden there was not to be an end to growth. Mankind was not to be satisfied with staying around Eden but to spread out and fill the earth with people and extend that model paradise Garden of Eden until it covered the whole globe with beauty. God has not abandoned his purpose. Isaiah foretold that even the deserts will blossom as the rose. Isa. chapter 35.
At that time the spiritual peace or growth we have will be able to be used to the fullest extent possible in a physical world where righteousness dwells.
2 Peter 3:13. The promise to Abraham will come to pass that all the families of the earth will be blessed and all the nations of the earth will be blessed.
(Genesis 3:12; 22:18; Revelation 22:2.) With mankind being blessed wouldn't that mean rewards and benefits for all to enjoy?
So, there is good reason to think that there will be continued growth with challenges to be met because with the absence of war mankind can direct its energies toward righteous pursuits for the benefit of all.
Beaudreaux
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imaginaryme
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Wow, this thread sure brought 'em all out. 
Television is the root of all evil.
Television is the root of all evil.
Beaudreaux
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Seriously, though. If evil is the absense of God, why do you suppose God decides not to show up at those times?
Scripture does not say evil is the absence of God. see Isaiah 45:7.
Evil in Scripture is not always synonymous with wrongdoing but calamity.
God does not show up, so to speak, because of Adam's choice.
Adam was gifted or granted free will to choose. What did Adam choose? By choosing to disobey God's law, by disobeying God's, so to speak, 'No Trespassing sign' on God's tree and eating fruit that was forbidden to him, by that action Adam was choosing independence from God. Adam was thus taking the law into his own hands and setting up people rule over God rule, or God's right to rule his creation.
What we are seeing surrounding us is the result of man's independence from God. Man has shown he can not successfully govern himself to bring peace on earth.
Beaudreaux
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But what about suffering that has nothing to do with free will? Asian Tsunami? Small Pox? Why do you suppose God decided not to show up then?
Most certainly, just like Jesus I do not advocate war either.
Oh yes, like I said, conflict does not have to equate to blood and war. It simply needs to equate to the internal conflict to better oneself.
Ozzie
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Fear and greed/craving my friend are not roots of evil but manifestations of evil as they arise. Anyone can learn the lesson since all of us have these experiences.
God does not show up in mankind's affairs because of Adam choosing or setting up Satan as the god of this world of badness- 2 Cor 4:4.
Please keep in mind that the recorded words of Jesus at Matthew chapter 24 and Luke 21 that Jesus is not blaming God but merely stating how bad things would be here on earth after Satan was cast out of heaven- Rev 12:9,12.
Suffering goes hand in hand with sin. If we could stop sinning we would not suffer nor die. Since we can't we need someone that can help.
At the time of Matthew 25:32 is when Jesus will intervene into mankind's affairs and then usher in peace on earth to men of goodwill.
It is at that time during Jesus thousand-year rule over earth that even death will be no more.
Isaiah 25:8; Acts 24:15; 1st Corinthians 15:26; Revelation 21:4,5.
And what better way to better oneself than through Gods inspired word and living the life he wants us to live>
That may be the best way for you. But I feel I have become a far better person, a person far more true to myself, to who I am and who I want to become, SINCE leaving Christianity. I get a great sense of wholeness from Paganism that I didn't get as a Christian. So in answer to your question I would say that, at least for me, Paganism is a better way to better myself than The bible and Christianity are.
Hevenly Heathen
Seeker
Where does Satan come from if not God?
imaginaryme
Active Member
From the truth. For religion to be right, there must be wrong; and the whole point of religion is to lead one towards the light: towards god, or enlightenment, or righteousness. Yet what is really happening is a form of manipulation. It is corruption of what is true by those who wish to lead based upon the eternal concept of cause and effect. Modern science reveals the truth behind the lie. There is no possible way that a whole bunch of little Effects can look backwards to know the First Cause. To say that Satan is somehow separate from God is merely a way for those who would Direct to be able to claim theirs is "the path without evil." Therefore, these inherent contradictions keep recurring; because the only way to disguise the truth is to claim that there is an Absolute Truth. This is the simple fallacy. The truth is absolute. The concepts of "greater good" and "lesser evil" are merely the corruption of philosophy into religion.
Before physical creation there was first a spirit creation of which Satan was an angelic spirit creature or creation.
Like mankind, spirit creation was created with perfection. Perfection meaning that one could only do wrong on purpose, intentionally and not by mistake.
Chapter 28 of Ezekiel helps us see that perfect Satan was the covering cherub of verse 14. Satan used his appointed position as overseer or guardian of the paradise Garden of Eden to create much undo importance in his mind to the point that he wanted the worship that belonged only to the Creator. James (1:14) brings out that each is drawn out by their own desire. Satan's wrong desire led him to turn himself into a resister or slanderer of God thus that is why he is called by the titles Satan and Devil.
So Satan used his free will to turn himself in a Satan and a Devil.
To the point that verse 19 refers to him as being a terror or terrorist.
Happily, verse 19 concludes that the time will come when Satan will never be anymore.
Not only does Hebrews (2:14B) inform that Jesus will destroy Satan, but Jesus is the 'seed' that fulfills the 1st prophecy of Genesis (3:15) that Jesus will deal a fatal death bruise to Satan's head, and as Revelation (12:12 B) says there will be an end to Satan's short or limited time for 'woe' on earth.