The reasons why Islamic women wear the Veil

[Estro Felino]

If you have a wife, it should be her decision alone, if she want to wear the hijab or not. It is utterly silly and misogynistic that there should be discussion at all.

Would there be a discussion of WHAT YOU SHOULD WEAR when you go out in public? Yes? No?

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Great answer.

 

[beenie]

Lol. No it doesn't work that way.

I told you it is subject to what people are confronted with. Maybe I can convince her that she should wear Hijab. Maybe she thinks it is not an obligation in Islam. Maybe she is planning to. I would never know.

What I said is that when I want to have a wife, there are many things we have to discuss and agree upon. This includes the subject of the Hijab.

People who base their relationship on visual worship, such as the hijab, are doomed to fail. No woman should don any article of clothing to meet your standards.

If you have a wife, it should be her decision alone, if she want to wear the hijab or not. It is utterly silly and misogynistic that there should be discussion at all.

Would there be a discussion of WHAT YOU SHOULD WEAR when you go out in public? Yes? No?

This x 100000

 

[Nakosis]

If you have a wife, it should be her decision alone, if she want to wear the hijab or not. It is utterly silly and misogynistic that there should be discussion at all.

Would there be a discussion of WHAT YOU SHOULD WEAR when you go out in public? Yes? No?

Uh... Yeah. I keep trying to convince my wife she is not my mother. :sad:

 

[ametist]

Again I 1000 % agree.


Both men and women are asked to respect each other and be partners in everything. They are asked to make the other's life easier. That is of course subject to both of them obeying Allah in every little aspect because in that way no one would mistreat the other.

thank you. pardon me if i attributed anything to you that wasnt at all intended by you in the first place. i wish you a happy thread sharing with people who both agree or dont agree with you.
just like some people may like to choose their wives from among those who get dress sexy, i also support your right to choose your wife among veil wearing or modestly dressed people.

 

[Maldini]

Hijab, the idea that pretty people and ugly people should be seen as the same so it would be fair.

So from now on, Rich people should never be allowed to spend their money.

Smart people should never get education.

Tall people should do the baby walk.

People with good voice shouldn't sing.

Funny people should never tell jokes.

If I was a beautiful women, even If know that Ugly women were jealous of me, I would never cover up to make them feel good because It's not my fault. I can't be dressing uncomfortably to make people feel better while I have done nothing wrong.

And If I was ugly, and I wanted Pretty people to cover up so I'd get as much attention as they do, then I would also be so selfish.

Another funny thing about Hijab is we're acting like Boys or men can't be pretty or sexy. By that standard Leo DiCaprio should wear a veil too because when he is around all ladies are paying him the attention.

It's the same thing between many religions, they act as if women are not turned on by men or they are not seizing up every good looking man just the way men do with pretty women.

Big Breaking News: Women are as equally sexually attracted to men as men are to women. So If covering up is the solution then we should have everyone out there in veil. Which is absolutely ridiculous.

I've seen many pretty boys and girls in school, pretty girls never have to pay for anything they eat while pretty boys never have to do homework. And it's not their fault because they are offered those perks by other people, why the hell not accept it.

 

[Sabour]

People who base their relationship on visual worship, such as the hijab, are doomed to fail. No woman should don any article of clothing to meet your standards.

What do you mean by visual worship? and how about you leave that for her to decide.

As a muslim I would only marry a muslim woman who I want to be worshiping God . I want a woman who believes in Islam and who obeys Allah.

Whether you are convinced that Hijab is part of the Quraan or not is another subject.

I am not looking for pleasing me. I am looking for a woman who puts Allah's words and commands above her desires and my opinion

 

[Sabour]

thank you. pardon me if i attributed anything to you that wasnt at all intended by you in the first place. i wish you a happy thread sharing with people who both agree or dont agree with you.
just like some people may like to choose their wives from among those who get dress sexy, i also support your right to choose your wife among veil wearing or modestly dressed people.

Thanks for your view too.


I admit I was a bit vague but I thought people would understand what I mean given the context we are discussing.

It is normal to find people that won't agree with me and I am kind of used to it around here

 

[Sabour]

If you have a wife, it should be her decision alone, if she want to wear the hijab or not. It is utterly silly and misogynistic that there should be discussion at all.

Would there be a discussion of WHAT YOU SHOULD WEAR when you go out in public? Yes? No?

Get the big picture first.

As muslims, women are asked to wear hijab in Quraan. Do you know what Quraan means to muslims? It is the word of God.

If my wife doesn't hold the Words of Allah in the highest regards and put that as her priority than I am not ready to continue my life with that woman no matter how much she loves me because I don't want her to worship me, I want her to worship Allah. Only by that way we will have a happy life.

It is not because I want her to do that or because it is my will.

Regarding your question this is not on the discussion table because men don't get sexually abused and I don't want a special kind of protection from women's harassment.

 

[TheGunShoj]

And you can't come physically strong as men!

Yes they can. Especially considering that every man is not masculine to begin with and some women are more masculine to begin with. Some women are stronger than some men naturally, without even striving for it. Google female body builders and tell me that those women aren't stronger than you.

Anyways even if you don't want the men to be at charge of you financially, this would make him glad, I wish nothing more than a women which sets me free of my duty to supply money for the family, I will be keeping the money for me happily. But I may be held responsible for that infront of God.

It is not an oppression, it is a kind of our duty. It is something extra given for women. A kind of special attention.

And that may be fine for some women but shouldn't it be their choice whether they want to live that way or not? Whether they want that special attention? As we see from this discussion, some don't want it and that should be fine too.

 

[Sabour]

Yes they can. Especially considering that every man is not masculine to begin with and some women are more masculine to begin with. Some women are stronger than some men naturally, without even striving for it. Google female body builders and tell me that those women aren't stronger than you.

Majority can't. It is the body nature.


And that may be fine for some women but shouldn't it be their choice whether they want to live that way or not? Whether they want that special attention? As we see from this discussion, some don't want it and that should be fine too.

When I have a duty towards a person, he always can set me free from that duty.

 

[Nakosis]

Hijab, the idea that pretty people and ugly people should be seen as the same so it would be fair.

Keep in mind this is my thinking. I am not Muslim nor a defender of their faith.

So from now on, Rich people should never be allowed to spend their money.

Tax the rich and redistribute the money to the poor.

Smart people should never get education.

At my kids school, everyone was given an award because it wrong to make other kids feel inferior. Smart kids could get an education, their just not allow to feel smarter then anyone else.

Tall people should do the baby walk.

Platform shoes.

People with good voice shouldn't sing.

Karaoke bars

Funny people should never tell jokes.

Bill Maher?

If I was a beautiful women, even If know that Ugly women were jealous of me, I would never cover up to make them feel good because It's not my fault. I can't be dressing uncomfortably to make people feel better while I have done nothing wrong.

And If I was ugly, and I wanted Pretty people to cover up so I'd get as much attention as they do, then I would also be so selfish.

Another funny thing about Hijab is we're acting like Boys or men can't be pretty or sexy. By that standard Leo DiCaprio should wear a veil too because when he is around all ladies are paying him the attention.

It's the same thing between many religions, they act as if women are not turned on by men or they are not seizing up every good looking man just the way men do with pretty women.

Big Breaking News: Women are as equally sexually attracted to men as men are to women. So If covering up is the solution then we should have everyone out there in veil. Which is absolutely ridiculous.

I've seen many pretty boys and girls in school, pretty girls never have to pay for anything they eat while pretty boys never have to do homework. And it's not their fault because they are offered those perks by other people, why the hell not accept it.

You're right. People who don't know me tell me I have a trust worthy face. People trust me for no other reason then my looks. So fine, take advantage of it. I suspect I've gotten jobs over others on looks alone.

You are just acknowledging the truth. I tell my kids, life is not fair... too bad.

However if some person wanted to go about trying to make life fair. An unrealistic goal to bring purity to the people.

No one should be forced to wear something they don't want to. (except in the case of husbands who need to be made "presentable" to their wife's family.)

If they do so as an expression of their belief however, not my business. If they choose not to, I'd certainly support that as well.

 

[gnostic]

Get the big picture first.

As muslims, women are asked to wear hijab in Quraan. Do you know what Quraan means to muslims? It is the word of God.

If my wife doesn't hold the Words of Allah in the highest regards and put that as her priority than I am not ready to continue my life with that woman no matter how much she loves me because I don't want her to worship me, I want her to worship Allah. Only by that way we will have a happy life.

It is not because I want her to do that or because it is my will.

That's no answer to my question.

If you can dictate what she should wear, shouldn't she be able to tell you what you should wear?

Clearly avoiding my question, is a "no". So a wife have to be subservient to you and to a book. You don't want a wife or partner, you want a docile servant or slave. That's not a marriage, it is a master-and-slave relationship.

A marriage is between a wife and husband, NOT between a wife, husband and a book. You and she are not married to a book, scripture or not.

The scriptures are only there to guide you, not to rule you or to rule your relationship. You are person, an individual, as it is any woman should you marry; neither you or your wife is a page of a book. It is not living if you are automaton..

And I didn't say anything about a wife have to worship you; I don't know where that come from. What do worship have to do with a marriage?

 

[Sabour]

That's no answer to my question.

If you can dictate what she should wear, shouldn't she be able to tell you what you should wear?

Clearly avoiding my question, is a "no". So a wife have to be subservient to you and to a book. You don't want a wife or partner, you want a docile servant or slave. That's not a marriage, it is a master-and-slave relationship.

A marriage is between a wife and husband, NOT between a wife, husband and a book. You and she are not married to a book, scripture or not.

The scriptures are only there to guide you, not to rule you or to rule your relationship. You are person, an individual, as it is any woman should you marry; neither you or your wife is a page of a book. It is not living if you are automaton..

And I didn't say anything about a wife have to worship you; I don't know where that come from. What do worship have to do with a marriage?

First, I don't know why you all members are ignoring the fact that men also have a dress code in Islam.

Second,
I provided you with the answer. I am only avoiding the answer in your imagination.

I worship Allah and try to follow the commandments in every possible way. I want my family to support me on that and I want from my family to be obedient to Allah too.

Allah is above everything even above myself. We love Allah more than we love ourselves, our kids or our parents.

The book you are talking about it the Quraan. It is the Word of God. Whether we know the reasons or not, when Allah asks us to do a thing it is for our benefit.

I want my wife to help me in living my life according to what Allah wants. And I will make sure to find a wife who also wants me to help her live the way Allah wants her too.

This is how important our deen and Islam is to us. Allah is above everything, everything, every single thing!

May Allah help me on being the perfect Muslim and may He guide us all to that.

 

[beenie]

Oh that's right, men need to wear clothes that cover from the waist to their knees, according to most scholars.

Sounds fair to me.

 

[Sabour]

Oh that's right, men need to wear clothes that cover from the waist to their knees, according to most scholars.

Sounds fair to me.

Being fair doesnt mean being equal. Men and women are different and every one has his own traits. This is how Allah created them.

 

[dawny0826]

Think about how men can be attrackted and started having his imagination drift away. Hijab covers parts of the women that does that.

Now the question is what parts of men make a women's mind drift away? They are required to cover that too

Are you going to lie and tell us that men don't think about what's underneath that garb anyway? It's human nature to have sexual thoughts. Anyone with intelligence and a desire to be moral, corrects him or herself and moves about their day if their thoughts are objectionable to their God.

What you're essentially telling us is that Muslims are stupid people who lack self-control, right?

Edit: Let me add that I don't have a problem at all with people living according to their religious convictions. If a woman believes it necessary to wear the hijab and is at peace for such a decision, who am I to judge her?

But, I'm not comfortable with the concept of forcing this upon a woman or justifying harm to a woman if she chooses not to wear it.

Unless ignorant, a man should have no reason to go ape **** at the sight of a woman's mane of hair or skin.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Being fair doesnt mean being equal. Men and women are different and every one has his own traits. This is how Allah created them.

The existence of difference does not mean that they are unequal.

 

[gnostic]

The hajib only cover part of the head, and the veil covered part, if not most of the face.

But what it doesn't do, is protect any woman from being rape. The number of rapes occurring in Iraq and Afghanistan prove that garments, let alone veils don't protect women at all.

And it is silly notion by Muslim men, think that garments are some sort of magical shield that protect women; well, sorry to burst your bubbles, it is complete failure.

You want to protect the women, then make the law harsher against the rapists, not against the women. Have their genitals snip off if you have to. Or flog the living @@@@ out of them.

All I see is stupid law in Muslim countries, and backward communities, often blaming and punishing women for not dressing in the standard. It is not working.

Until you address the problem of male Muslims, this dress codes, is only superficial fix, and women will continue to suffer abuse by (criminal) Muslim men in your society. The Qur'am don't fix a damn thing.

Allah supposed to know everything, and be able to do everything, but if Allah is supposed to THE REAL author to the Qur'an, he has to be the most backward hick, if he think covering women's heads would solve any problem.

The only thing I see happening, is that Muslim society and law will continue to oppress women, with ridiculously childish solution, as covering heads.

Stop oppressing and punishing the women.

 

[Sabour]

Are you going to lie and tell us that men don't think about what's underneath that garb anyway? It's human nature to have sexual thoughts. Anyone with intelligence and a desire to be moral, corrects him or herself and moves about their day if their thoughts are objectionable to their God.

What you're essentially telling us is that Muslims are stupid people who lack self-control, right?

Edit: Let me add that I don't have a problem at all with people living according to their religious convictions. If a woman believes it necessary to wear the hijab and is at peace for such a decision, who am I to judge her?

But, I'm not comfortable with the concept of forcing this upon a woman or justifying harm to a woman if she chooses not to wear it.

Unless ignorant, a man should have no reason to go ape **** at the sight of a woman's mane of hair or skin.

Think about it that way, if twin sisters are walking together, one wearing Hijab the Islamic way and one showing what she is got, at which one would stir and his imagination would start drifting? Please don't tell me it is the same !

Muslims are not stupid people who lack self control.Many men are stupid people who lack self control. Why you are giving that to muslim men only?

I am not with the concept of forcing it too.

 

[Sabour]

The hajib only cover part of the head, and the veil covered part, if not most of the face.

But what it doesn't do, is protect any woman from being rape. The number of rapes occurring in Iraq and Afghanistan prove that garments, let alone veils don't protect women at all.

And it is silly notion by Muslim men, think that garments are some sort of magical shield that protect women; well, sorry to burst your bubbles, it is complete failure.

You want to protect the women, then make the law harsher against the rapists, not against the women. Have their genitals snip off if you have to. Or flog the living @@@@ out of them.

All I see is stupid law in Muslim countries, and backward communities, often blaming and punishing women for not dressing in the standard. It is not working.

Until you address the problem of male Muslims, this dress codes, is only superficial fix, and women will continue to suffer abuse by (criminal) Muslim men in your society. The Qur'am don't fix a damn thing.

Allah supposed to know everything, and be able to do everything, but if Allah is supposed to THE REAL author to the Qur'an, he has to be the most backward hick, if he think covering women's heads would solve any problem.

The only thing I see happening, is that Muslim society and law will continue to oppress women, with ridiculously childish solution, as covering heads.

Stop oppressing and punishing the women.

Islam doesn't oppress anyone. It is just that you guys have biased sources saying Islam = Bad. It has controlled your minds that you can't see any thing good about Islam no matter how obvious it were.

Media works of course.


I am not defending what muslims do. I am defending Islam.

Whenever A muslim does something good, it is because he is human. Whenever a muslim does something bad, it is because of Islam.


You assume that a person who is born muslim is acting Islam 24/7 and isn't like any person who might choose to follow or not follow Islam.