the right religion

[Shuttlecraft]

Your post is embarrassing due to the fact it shows no real evidence.. it is only a few pottery chards from after 70CE when the romans came through...There is also a bath house that has been found but it is also Roman and is not direct evidence going back to Jesus time...

As an atheist, of course you'd say that, it's only to be expected..
Google 'Nazareth dig' and you'll see the dig revealed-

"...remains of a wall, a hideout, a courtyard and a water system that appeared to collect water from the roof and supply it to the home"
Dig unearths Nazareth site from era of Jesus - SFGate

So if it was a Roman house as you suggest, why would the Roman tenants need a hideout? Who would they need to hide from?

 

[Nakosis]

Have you ever been to a secure area where entry is only allowed to those who are approved to enter? Any path other than legal entry will bring the police.

I beleive Jesus is the gate, the door by which one must enter the physical Kingdom of God. Any other ID won't work to provide entry. Jesus is actually the gate to the spiritual Kingdom of God as well.

So Jesus is the barrier which God put in place to keep all the people God doesn't want in Heaven out?

To me this seems exactly what Jesus accused the "Jews" of his time of doing. Placing themselves as a barrier between the people and God.

 

[Ingledsva]

As an atheist, of course you'd say that, it's only to be expected..
Google 'Nazareth dig' and you'll see the dig revealed-

"...remains of a wall, a hideout, a courtyard and a water system that appeared to collect water from the roof and supply it to the home"
Dig unearths Nazareth site from era of Jesus - SFGate

So if it was a Roman house as you suggest, why would the Roman tenants need a hideout? Who would they need to hide from?

That is old material, and one of the sites I have already mentioned that is in question. Link us to an actual new article with information.


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[Shuttlecraft]

That is old material, and one of the sites I have already mentioned that is in question. Link us to an actual new article with information...

Haha, atheists are in a right flap; many say Nazareth never existed in Jesus's time, and some admit it did exist but that nobody lived there..

Apologetics Press - Responding to the Skeptic

 

[Ingledsva]

That is old material, and one of the sites I have already mentioned that is in question. Link us to an actual new article with information...

Haha, atheists are in a right flap; many say Nazareth never existed in Jesus's time, and some admit it did exist but that nobody lived there..

Apologetics Press - Responding to the Skeptic

This is a Christian site talking about the early ideas which came under debate.

There are books and articles saying false, 2nd century.


I can find no updated info on this - which usually means something is wrong.


Do you know of any recent info on this dig?


This is from the author of the book mentioned on that site.

"The archaeological record of Nazareth has been written principally by Franciscan excavators on site. Subsequent reviews of critical finds in journals and monographs, by Israeli archaeologists and others, often contradict the conclusions of the Church and form an important part of The Myth of Nazareth."

"These six oil lamps were discovered in a Nazareth tomb, and have been used in the scholarly literature as proof of a village at Nazareth in Hellenistic times, as early as the third century BCE. In fact, the six lamps date from the Middle Roman to the Late Roman periods, long after the time of Christ. Gross misdatings of the primary evidence, sometimes involving discrepancies of up to 500 years, are frequently encountered in the Nazareth literature."

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[Shuttlecraft]

..There are books and articles saying false, 2nd century..

And there are books and articles saying 900 BC..
"The excavations by Bagati from 1955 onwards showed that the site of Nazareth had been occupied from 600-900 BC and that there was then a break until 200 BC. It's been continuously inhabited since then"
https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080205114927AAF7N47

But let's just suppose there was no Nazareth in Jesus's time, why on earth would the people who (according to atheists) "made Jesus up", write that he came from a non-existent place?
After the gospels were written, NOBODY ever came forward to say "Rubbish! Nazareth never existed", so the atheist argument doesn't hold water and falls flat..

 

[viole]

And there are books and articles saying 900 BC..
"The excavations by Bagati from 1955 onwards showed that the site of Nazareth had been occupied from 600-900 BC and that there was then a break until 200 BC. It's been continuously inhabited since then"
https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080205114927AAF7N47

But let's just suppose there was no Nazareth in Jesus's time, why on earth would the people who (according to atheists) "made Jesus up", write that he came from a non-existent place?
After the gospels were written, NOBODY ever came forward to say "Rubbish! Nazareth never existed", so the atheist argument doesn't hold water and falls flat..

Well, it could be that all of this is a work of fiction, not really meant to be taken seriously. A bit like Batman and Gotham city. Maybe the goal was to entertain some roman VIPs with the first century version of "Star Wars", who knows? And then someone started taking it seriously, like today's Jedi-ism.

If we follow the narrative, we see many parallels with a typical Hollywood movie: for about three quarters of the movies tension increases, but everything is still OK. Toward the end we see catastrophe: the hero seems to be doomed. And then the glorious happy ending.

Probably, this is far-fetched, but it would still pass Hume test when compared with the alternative: that people resurrect and take off to Heaven.

Ciao

- viole

 

[Shuttlecraft]

Maybe the goal was to entertain some roman VIPs with the first century version of "Star Wars", who knows?..And then someone started taking it seriously, like today's Jedi-ism...

Funny you should mention that mate; if we regard God as being like 'The Force' it all falls into place..
God said-"I fill heaven and earth" (Jeremiah 23:23/4)

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[viole]

Funny you should mention that mate; if we regard God as being like 'The Force' it all falls into place..
God said-"I fill heaven and earth" (Jeremiah 23:23/4)

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I think everything falls into place if we replace the second letter in the word "force" with another one that changes it into another English noun, lol.

Ciao

- viole

 

[Shuttlecraft]

We carve an idol out of fear, and we call it God (Det sjunde inseglet)

Christians are not scared of God, why should they be?..

 

[outhouse]

Haha, atheists are in a right flap; many say Nazareth never existed in Jesus's time, and some admit it did exist but that nobody lived there..

Im sorry were not focused on garbage, or others opinions, only yours.


As it stands there is very little evidence but there probably was a poor village there with roughly 200-400 ish people at best guess.

People had lived there for thousands of years, trying to find one time period after a church was built over the oldest part is a tough issue.


We believe it was there, we are just arguing the evidence you know nothing about, and we have researched this in detail down to the last pottery shard.


Salm is known quack with no training what so ever.

 

[outhouse]

And there are books and articles saying 900 BC..
"The excavations by Bagati from 1955 onwards showed that the site of Nazareth had been occupied from 600-900 BC and that there was then a break until 200 BC. It's been continuously inhabited since then"
https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080205114927AAF7N47

But let's just suppose there was no Nazareth in Jesus's time, why on earth would the people who (according to atheists) "made Jesus up", write that he came from a non-existent place?
After the gospels were written, NOBODY ever came forward to say "Rubbish! Nazareth never existed", so the atheist argument doesn't hold water and falls flat..

Just so you know we are dealing with scholarships and what the current consensus is of historians.

WE are not claiming jesus was made up, or Nazareth. We are trying to bring you closer to what is actually known so when you post you don't keep making mistakes about topics you know little about.

 

[Shuttlecraft]

..As it stands there is very little evidence but there probably was a poor village there with roughly 200-400 ish people at best guess.
People had lived there for thousands of years, trying to find one time period after a church was built over the oldest part is a tough issue..

Good, we agree that Nazareth probably existed and that it had 200-400 population, and that people lived there for thousands of years.
So what are you arguing with me about?..

 

[outhouse]

Just so you know we are dealing with scholarships and what the current consensus is of historians.

WE are not claiming jesus was made up, or Nazareth. We are trying to bring you closer to what is actually known so when you post you don't keep making mistakes about topics you know little about.

 

[Shuttlecraft]

..WE are not claiming jesus was made up, or Nazareth. We are trying to bring you closer to what is actually known so when you post you don't keep making mistakes about topics you know little about.

Thanks mate, I previously thought atheists claimed Naz never existed in Jesus's time, so thanks for pointing out that you believe it probably did exist and consisted of about 200-400 people, and that people had lived there for thousands of years..

 

[Sha'irullah]

The right religion is none.

The only path one should treat is a philosophically sound path that promotes wellness and character development

 

[Shuttlecraft]

The right religion is none.
The only path one should treat is a philosophically sound path that promotes wellness and character development

I'm thinking of becoming a Pagan, I've had a soft spot for them ever since they burned Edward Woodward in a wicker man for his bad acting, and also toasted Nic Cage for squashing a poor wasp on the pub bar in the remake.
And I hear Pagan women tie ribbons to maypoles and prance round them naked by moonlight. They can tie ribbons to my maypole and prance naked round it any time they like..

 

[1robin]

The right religion is none.

The only path one should treat is a philosophically sound path that promotes wellness and character development

This is very irresponsible. If God exists you cannot possibly be right and you cannot know if he does or not. Metaphysical speculation is the most irresponsible act possible.

 

[1robin]

Your whole reply is an argument from ignorance that shows how little you know about credible history and science.

For pity sake. I have a degree in and work in the field. However why don't you enlighten me.

Not one of your 10 statements changes anything in science.

Of course it does not. They are true and science finally caught up so of course there is no change. If there were change then you would have an argument. My point was bronze age men somehow knew what in many cases has only been learned by secular scholars in the last few hundred years and their ignorance cost hundreds of thousands their lives.

david may have existed, but as written it is mythology.

As what is written? The bible is historical biography and what can be confirmed has been well over 95% accurate. The bible is used as a primary archeological resource. Myths don't make good field guides.

the bible factually has not ruled 4000 years

The rules in the bible existed in written form for around 3800 years plus but existed in oral tradition long before that. Face palm is a juvenile and petty excuse for an argument but if your going to use them then apply them to yourself.

The rest was apologetic word salad with no credibility

Your whole post is anti-apologetics or propaganda. There was not one fact in it.

 

[outhouse]

As what is written? The bible is historical biography and what can be confirmed has been well over 95% accurate.
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Provide credible sources. Not apologetic garbage.

Abraham and family, Moses, the Exodus, Noah and family, Adam and Eve factually have no historicity as ever existing.

Abraham - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

archaeologists had "given up hope of recovering any context that would make Abraham, Isaac or Jacob credible 'historical figures'".

Moses - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Israel Finkelstein points to the appearance of settlements in the central hill country around 1200 as the earliest of the known settlements of the Israelites.

While the general narrative of the Exodus and the conquest of the Promised Land may be remotely rooted in historical events, the figure of Moses as a leader of the Israelites in these events cannot be substantiated.[33][34][35][36] William Dever agrees with the Canaanite origin of the Israelites

The rules in the bible existed in written form for around 3800 years plus but existed in oral tradition long before that. Face palm is a juvenile and petty excuse for an argument but if your going to use them then apply them to yourself.

Im sorry your ignorant of the truth here.


Israelites did not exist before 1200 BC, and none of the pseudo history in the bible is even 1% accurate for their history from 1200 -1000 BC it is all factually wrong.

Your whole post is anti-apologetics or propaganda. There was not one fact in it

Every word I post can be backed with credible sources.

Im sorry your fanatical view is not credible.

Every word I posted is taught in every credible university around the world as REAL history, not the mythology you pedal. :sorry1: