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outhouse

Atheistically
Thanks mate, I previously thought atheists claimed Naz never existed in Jesus's time, so thanks for pointing out that you believe it probably did exist and consisted of about 200-400 people, and that people had lived there for thousands of years..:)

Many atheist are very well educated on this topic, and regard people like Salm as a quack.

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I dislike uneducated atheist that post garbage as much as theist that do the same.


I am here to learn and pass on the current state of academia with an open mind and without bias. Not some anti theist agenda.
 

mahasn ebn sawresho

Well-Known Member
English

400 pages of dialogue on this topic
Let me give you a brief concept of religion and any
This is a dialogue
True religion is
Who does not carry on his teachings and directions to terrorism texts
And don't say or calling for hatred
And don't lay in the seizure of
And true religion that proclaims that God is love
And also gives me the freedom to worship him or not
Without coercion
I am a creature
I have the freedom to choose between faith and atheism
This freedom gives me any religion is the true religion
True religion is the one that respects women
True religion is the qualities of divine qualities creator
True religion is that God is with us
Permission so I understand religion
Freedom of choice
There are many details in these words
 

Viker

Your beloved eccentric Auntie Cristal
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Shuttlecraft

.Navigator
But Jesus wasn't a napkin, he was solid flesh and blood, and the leader of the pack..:)

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Viker

Your beloved eccentric Auntie Cristal
Apparently, the Napkin religion doesn't require a "Son of God" to be the one true religion. I don't see a reference to him on the Napkin.
 

Shuttlecraft

.Navigator
Christianity is all about REBELLING against the stupid ways of the world..:)
Jesus said:- "The world wants you to dance to its tune......God has sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners...to release the oppressed" (Matt 11:16/17,Luke 4:18 )

Waddya say Johnny?-

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Shuttlecraft

.Navigator
I don't think you'll find any takers here, Shuttle.

Yup, a lot of wimps don't have what it takes to be Jesus gang members..:)
Here's me, check out my kool arrogant tough guy swagger, it's what JC wants from us-
"For God did not give us a spirit of timidity, but a spirit of power, of love and of selfdiscipline" (2 Tim 1:7)
"..that you may stand firm in all the will of God, mature and fully assured" (Col 4:12)


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Shuttlecraft

.Navigator
I was homeless after being released from jail 12 years ago, living rough in a tent in a remote wood, but it didn't bother me because I was too busy laughing at myself- "Oh great" I thought, "I've ended up as Bigfoot"..:)

"I know what it is to be in need, and I know what it is to have plenty. I have learned the secret of being content in any and every situation, whether well fed or hungry, whether living in plenty or in want"- (Philp 4:12)
 

Shuttlecraft

.Navigator
Jesus wants daredevils..:)
"Jesus saved you from the empty way of life handed you by your forefathers" (1 Peter 1:18)
"Don't conform to the pattern of this world" (Romans 12:2)


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"Their bodies are buried in peace; but their name liveth for evermore" (Ecc 44:14)
 
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Viker

Your beloved eccentric Auntie Cristal
I ain't no daredevil. I'm a biker vitch. And the Napkin has yet to be refuted.
 

Shad

Veteran Member
Thanks mate, I previously thought atheists claimed Naz never existed in Jesus's time, so thanks for pointing out that you believe it probably did exist and consisted of about 200-400 people, and that people had lived there for thousands of years..:)

Archaeology can not confirm the existence of the town during the time of Jesus. There is the bath house along with it's cave complex. However there are no artifacts dated to correspond to the timeline of Jesus. Datig is to period before and after this time line. Neither suggests that this site correspond to the events from the Bible nor was inhabited during this timeline. It is a very weak inference from one to a whole complete view. However this is the statue-quo for the field. I believe it is far to early to rule that this site supports either position that is was vacant or inhabited during a very narrow time line. The work on the bath house is based on a primarily report. There is also an issue in which there is a growing view that post biblical Nazareth is in fact a renamed city. Much in the same way in which names of cites have changed due to conquest, Istanbul. Repopulated after destruction in the case of Babylon's fall to Assyria.

The case for either view is weak as an inferred view which this is used in support of. Best to remain neutral or admit to speculation for either view.
 
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Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
Provide credible sources. Not apologetic garbage.

Abraham and family, Moses, the Exodus, Noah and family, Adam and Eve factually have no historicity as ever existing.

Abraham - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

archaeologists had "given up hope of recovering any context that would make Abraham, Isaac or Jacob credible 'historical figures'".

Moses - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Israel Finkelstein points to the appearance of settlements in the central hill country around 1200 as the earliest of the known settlements of the Israelites.

While the general narrative of the Exodus and the conquest of the Promised Land may be remotely rooted in historical events, the figure of Moses as a leader of the Israelites in these events cannot be substantiated.[33][34][35][36] William Dever agrees with the Canaanite origin of the Israelites

Many of the OT stories are just rewrites of much earlier Sumerian/Babylonian/Mesopotamian myth.

The Genesis creation myth has great similarities to the Babylonian creation myth, the Enuma Elish.

Humans are also formed out of dirt or clay in the Mesopotamian stories.

The Garden of Eden = Edin in a Sumerian creation myth. The Sumerian story also includes the eating of a forbidden plant which brings down a curse and a "rib woman", Ninti.

Wiki also says about the Epic of Gilgamesh: "The parallels between the stories of Enkidu/Shamhat and Adam/Eve have been long recognized by scholars.[20] In both, a man is created from the soil by a god, and lives in a natural setting amongst the animals. He is introduced to a woman who tempts him. In both stories the man accepts food from the woman, covers his nakedness, and must leave his former realm, unable to return. The presence of a snake that steals a plant of immortality from the hero later in the epic is another point of similarity."

Noah = Atra-Hasis in the Mesopotamian accounts. The rainbow is also given an explanation similar to the one in the Genesis account, where it's the necklace of the Goddess, Ishtar and serves as a reminder for her not to forget the Flood. There's a Greek story where Zeus floods the Earth, wiping out humanity due to our wicknessnes, but Prometheus saves a man and a woman by putting them on a boat.

Moses' childhood story is lifted from King Sargon of Akkad's story.

Moses being given the stone tablets from God is lifted from the story of the Sun God, Shamash, handing down the law to Hammurabi while atop a ziggurat. (Much of the Mosaic Law was based on or even lifted from the Code of Hammurabi.)

There's other stories that were taken from earlier Pagan myths, such as Samson, Abraham and Isaac and some of the Psalms were originally written for Baal. I could go on.

So Jews and Christians believe in Pagan myths and accept them as the word of their god. Go figure. It's really quite funny.
 
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metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
An approach I take, although I'm not stating or implying that it's the best approach for all, is to treat all scriptures as being allegorical, thus pretty much avoiding trying to figure out which narratives actually took place as worded in the scriptures, which didn't, or which got only part of the history correct. Then I focus mainly on what are the values and morals taught in the texts, and then see which are possibly usable.

However, this doesn't prevent me from engaging in some interesting historical discussions at times.
 
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